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A05212 A disputation of the Church wherein the old religion is maintained. V.M.C.F.E. Lechmere, Edmund, d. 1640?; F. E., fl. 1629. 1629 (1629) STC 15348; ESTC S100251 235,937 466

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the_o sixth_o age_n we_o have_v the_o testimony_n of_o several_a 22._o several_a council_n agath_fw-mi cap_n 470_o gerun_v den_n cap._n 1_o aurelian_a ●_o 28._o turonens_fw-la 2_o cap_n 3._o &_o 4._o constantin_n act_n 1._o citat_fw-la garret_n co._n gualt_n s._n greg._n magn._n 4._o dial._n c._n 58_o &_o hom._n 37._o in_o euam_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 1●_n de_fw-fr civit._n c_o 22._o counsel_n celebrate_v in_o many_o nation_n wherein_o there_o be_v such_o express_a mention_n of_o the_o mass_n as_o no_o tergiversation_n can_v suffice_v but_o omit_v that_o as_o also_o the_o testimony_n of_o remigius_n cassiodorus_n fulgentius_n and_o other_o of_o that_o time_n i_o content_v myself_o with_o the_o place_n before_o cite_v out_o of_o s._n gregory_n because_o he_o be_v in_o communion_n with_o all_o the_o world_n christ_n live_v himself_o immortal_o be_v again_o sacrifice_v for_o we_o in_o this_o mystery_n of_o the_o holy_a oblation_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o sift_n age_n live_v s._n 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testament_n which_o the_o church_n receive_v from_z the_o apostle_n do_v offer_v to_o god_n in_o all_o the_o world_n tryphone_n s._n justin_n dial._n cum_fw-la tryphone_n the_o other_o even_o than_o he_o malichias_n foretell_v of_o our_o sacrifice_n of_o gentile_n which_o be_v offer_v in_o every_o place_n that_o be_v of_o the_o bread_n of_o the_o eucharist_n and_o the_o cup_n likewise_o of_o the_o eucharist_n etc._n etc._n ibid._n ibid._n god_n prevent_v do_v witness_v all_o those_o to_o be_v grateful_a unto_o he_o who_o offer_v through_o his_o name_n the_o sacrifice_n which_o jesus_n christ_n deliver_v to_o be_v do_v that_o be_v in_o the_o eucharist_n of_o bread_n and_o the_o chalice_n which_o be_v do_v by_o christian_n in_o every_o place_n 76._o and_o here_o i_o name_v again_o the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n of_o alexandria_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o of_o aethiopia_n wherein_o be_v evident_a acknowledgement_n of_o this_o unbloody_a sacrifice_n in_o form_n of_o bread_n 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