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A32799 An account given to the Parliament by the ministers sent by them to Oxford in which you have the most remarkable passages which have fallen out in the six moneths service there ... particulary ... two conferences in which the ministers ... have suffered by reproaches and falshoods in print and otherwise : the chief points insisted on in those conferences are 1. whether private men may lawfully preach, 2. whether the ministers of the Church of England were antichristian ... 3. and lastly divers of Mr. Erbury's dangerous errours. ... Cheynell, Francis, 1608-1665. 1647 (1647) Wing C3806A; ESTC R28557 41,873 55

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the afternoon because some of his followers were vnwilling to meet at Schools They met accordingly Mr Erbury desired leave to explaine himselfe and began much after this manner Friends and Fellow-soldiers and you gentlemen Scholars I am come hither this day to answer a publike Charge and a private Challenge c. Whereas it did appeare indeed that M. Erbury his Adherents made the Challenge but that was not insisted on Master Erbury had fair leave to proceed in his Apology He said that it was not his custome to speake any thing dogmatically for he did proceed in all his Lectures by way of inquiry How true this Apology is may appear by the extracts of his three sermons before and if it had been true yet it is no Apology for this is to be a meer Sceptique and the ready way to teach his Auditors to question all things and hold nothing But Master Erbury was not ashamed to own this deceit for he presently added that he spake not as a Minister to them for he had renounced his M●nistery long since in the presence of the Bishops nor did he speake as a gifted man knowing the mystery of Christ but as one that was to seeke and therefore said he we are now upon a way of eqnuiry we are seeking out David and the King according to that Prophesie Hosea 3. 5. For I find that Christ is a mystery hidden not manifested by the Prophets or the Apostles for the Apostles saith he did but see Christ in a Glasse darkly but we saith he behold the glory of God shining in the man Christ the face of Christ that is the person of Christ and we have Christ in us the hope of glory and that is indeed The mystery Coloss. 1. 27. Christ as without us is not the mystery but Christ as in us Christ as born in us suffering and rising in us for our sufferings are the filling up of Christs sufferings Coloss. 1. 24. Now though Paul knew Christ suffering in him yet Paul confesseth that he had not attained to the resurrection of the dead Phil. 3. 10. 11. This mystery then was manifested only in part to the Apostles and primitive Christians but ever since the Apostles ceased this mystery hath been a sealed book as you may see Revel. 5. 1. 2. 3. He that sits upon the Throne is God even the Father God himselfe The book is sealed with seven seals that is perfectly sealed and no man in Heaven or Earth or under the earth is able to open this Booke but this Booke shall be opened again when Christ shall come in his spirit in the Saints Revel. 10. 1. 2. this little book contains the mystery Christ in us the hope of glory And when the seventh Angel doth begin to sound the mystery of God shall be finished Revel. 10. 7. Now this mystery is nothing else but Christ in the Saints that is Christ is not a distinct person from the Saints for the Saints and the Son make one perfect man Ephesians 4. 7. 8. 9. 12. 13. Master Erbury had many other excursions before he came to the question to which it was replyed but we shall give you a brief account Master Cheynell desired to know of Master Erbury what that mystery was which Master Erbury was better acquainted with then the Apostles or primitive Christians whether it was the mystery of faith and godlinesse a mystery necessary to salvation if it were necessary to salvation then sure it was sufficiently revealed to the primitive Christians but if it be not a saving mystery saith Master Cheynell let us never trouble the people with it 2. Master Cheynell desired to know how Master Erbury came to open that booke which no man in heaven or earth can open 3. Master Cheynell asked him whether the seventh Trumpet had yet sounded 4. Whether Master Erbury had any new revelations which were not contained in the Scripture 5. Whether he made himself an Apostle a Prophet or of some higher order because he pretended that there would be no Ministry till new Prophets and Apostles were sent to gather the people of God dispersed abroad and intimated that he himselfe knew more of the mystery of Christ then the Prophets or Apostles Master Erbury would not give any positive answer to any of these questions for he said they were ensnaring questions To which Master Cheynell replyed why then our meeting will be to little purpose if you will neither explain or vindicate your doctrine But the truth is Master Erbury saw he had overshot himself in these elaborate extravagancies rather then expositions for if he had said that the seventh Trumpet had not yet sounded then it would have followed 1. That the mystery which Master Erbury pretends to be so well acquainted with is yet sealed and not revealed to Master Erbury or any other 2. Master Erbury by his exposition of Revel. 10. and Ephes. 4. compared together doth overthrow his own opinion and confirme ours if the seventh Trumpet hath not yet sounded for by both places layd together if Master Earbury his exposition be solid Pastors and Teachers must be continued in the Church till the mystery be finished and therefore till the seventh Trumpet hath sounded Revel. 10. 7. But the mystery sayth Master Earbury will not be finished till Christ and the Saints are made one perfect man Ephes. 4. 11 12 13. Therefore there is still need of Pastors and Teachers in the Church if the seventh Trumpet hath not yet sounded and Master Earbury hath but deluded the people in pretending to declare a secret to them which will not be declared till the seventh Trumpet hath sounded Master Cheynell did likewise desire them to observe that Master Earbury did intimate that God the Father only is God of himselfe and that the Saints are equall to Christ but enough of that anon After many circumlocutions Master Earbury did at length descend to the question and laid downe this Thesis The Saints have the same fulnesse of the Godhead dwelling in them in the same measure though not in the same manifestation as it doth in Christ but the Godhead shall be manifest in the same manner and measure in the Saints as it is in Christ Mr. Earbury indeavoured to prove this proposition by the 14 of John from the 2 verse to the 20. From the 2 and 3 verses he raised this observation That Christ ascended that he might receive the fulnesse of the Godhead for himselfe that so he might impart it unto us because he went to prepare a place for us that he might come againe and receive us to himselfe that where he is we might be also but Christs mansion was in the Father verse 10. therefore our mansion is to be in the Father and the fulnesse of the Godhead is to be imparted to us as it is to Christ For the Father is the Godhead and we are to be in the Father and the Father to dwell in us as he dwelt in Christ and