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A45833 A sober request to the Quakers: published by Jer. Ives. Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674. 1674 (1674) Wing I1105; ESTC R213890 1,509 1

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A Sober Request to the Quakers Published by JER IVES WHereas I have lately charged you in a publick Meeting that you are no Christians and that your Friends of the Ministry are meer Impostors which Charge you have endeavoured to evade with various put-offs Alleaging that it was besides the Business of the day which is manifestly false for was it not the Business of the day to examine the Charge against Tho. Hicks And was not this the first Article in your written Charge against him that he writ a Dialogue between a Quaker and a Christian Now this being the first general Article what could be more material in order to his Vindication than for him to prove or some one in his behalf and the behalf of Christianity it self that you are no Christians nor worthy to bear so venerable a name and if this be made manifest it can be no fault to oppose a Quaker to a Christian But when I still inforced this Charge and by several motives pressed you to vindicate the honour of your Profession by responding to what I had objected against you Wil. Pen stands up and makes a Confession of his Faith in Scripture expressions which while you declaredly own such Books written by Quakers as contain in them Doctrines no way reconcilable to Scipture-Language or Christian-Religion but are destructive both of the one and the other as I am ready to prove it plainly shews that this Confession was but a meer Equivocation an old art of Deceivers who by good Words and fair speeches do the more effectually beguile the hearts of the Simple and less wary Hearers for what if your Discourses and Confessions of Faith be cloathed with Scripture-Language now more than formerly this doth but render those Confessions to be gross Equivocations unless you will renounce your former vile absurd and nonsensical Opinions which I proved to your Face do make void all rules of Christian Faith and Practice And when by force of Argument I had driven you to that strait that you could make no reply and finding my self under some indisposition of body after nigh six hours discourse with three of you I thought it advisable to quit the Meeting which you making so ill an improvem●nt of for want of better Arguments Will. Pen crying out as if he had been among the Boys in Moor-fields They run they run others of you report as if I ran from the Charge as being afraid or asham'd to own it I say your so base and insolent behaviour in my absence who had nothing to the purpose to answer in my presence gives me the occasion to let you know that I am neither affraid nor ashamed to make full proof of what I have charged upon you if you dare appoint a Time and Place for that purpose And then appoint whom you will to Dispute the matter with me provided none be admitted to speak but us two unless it be to correct any disorders either in the Disputants or Auditors as also that a certain hour be agreed on for the beginning and another for the ending of the Disputation for that day and that neither party shall exceed the limites of that time so agreed on unless it be by mutual consent Upon these terms I earnestly request a Meeting with you to prove these two things against you 1. That you are no Christians what ever you pretend 2. That your friends of the Ministry as you phrase it are Impostors False-Prophets and men of lying Spirits Now if you shall not by all this be prevailed upon to meet according to this Request I hope you will not take it unkindly if I conclude that you that talk so much of the Light care not how little you come at it left your folly should be made manifest but if you take this for an unkind Conclusion I hope this will please you viz that what ever you say of me I shall pray that God would Convert you to Christianity and Subscribe my self Your Friend JER JVES POSTSCRIPT This Meeting is desired to be distinct without respect unto any Meeting that shall be a greed on betwen Tho. Hicks and you touching the matters you have objected against him Published with Allowance LONDON Printed for F. Smith at the Elephant and Castle in Cornhil near the Royal Exchange 1674.