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A14656	Fishers folly unfolded: or The vaunting Iesuites vanity discovered in a challenge of his (by him proudly made, but on his part poorely performed.) Vndertaken and answered by George Walker pastor of S. Iohn Euangelist in Watlingstreet London	Walker, George, 1581?-1651.; Fisher, John, 1569-1641. aut	1624 (1624)	STC 24959; ESTC S101731	26,612	52

doe appeale to all here present whether this be not a meere wrangling shift to avoid disputation for the present And I doe here charge you if your owne conscience doth not inwardly tell you that either your Religion is so false that it cannot be defended or you your selfe so unlearned that you are unable to maintaine it that you doe without further delay agree to dispute with me vpon some maine points of controuersie betweene Protestants and Papists If you refuse I will tax you for a faint hearted coward and dastard and so esteeme you hereafter at all times Mr. Fisher. But if I yeeld to dispute with you who shall be Iudge betweene us Mr. Walker The chiefe judge of all shall be the word of God and these hearers shall judge of the forme and cariage of our disputation and to whom the victory doth belong Mr. Fisher. They know not the word of God neither can you your selfe certainly tell which is the true word of God M. Walker Yes I haue it here at hand to shew and taking out of his pocket Plantines Hebrew Bible in octauo without pricks bound with a Syriacke and Greeke Testament Loe saith he here is the true word of God even the whole Scriptures of the old and new Testament in the originall tongues wherein they were first spoken by the spirit of God and written by his penmen Mr. Fisher. How doe you know that this booke is the word of God and the originall Scriptures Mr. Walker I know that all not only Protestants but Papists acknowledge and confesse it so to be First Papists because Arias Montanus a great learned Doctor of the Church of Rome did set it forth and Plantine a Catholike Printer did print it and that at the charges of Philip the second your great Catholike King of Spaine so that you being a Romane Catholike cannot except you have cast off all shamefastnesse but acknowledge it for the word of God in the originall tongues Secondly we Protestants are so confident of the infallible truth of the word contained in this booke that we altogether build our faith and religion upon it Mr. Fisher. How doe you know that Plantine printed this booke Mr. Walker Loe here the title page where it is testified to be printed by him at Antwerp and the yeere of the world according to the lesse account of the Iewish Rabbins is here specified with these words he shewed the book and page to Fisher who discerning it to be printed in such a Character as he could not reade put it from him as if he had beene afraid to looke on it Whereupon Master Walker began to play upon him and taking advantage of his ignorance made the company some sport saying What Master Fisher are you a learned Iesuit and one of the Popes great champions and yet can you not reade this faire print I cry you mercy Graecum est non potest legi yea it is worse than so it is Hebrew printed in Hebrew words and letters which to the common sort of Popish Priests is more terrible and dreadfull than conjuring figures But in good sadnesse can you not reade it or doe you but dissemble Master Fisher I am afraid by your gestures that you are in earnest and your countenance doth make me so confident of your ignorance that I will adventure my booke upon it and though I will not otherwise take twenty shillings for it yet I here before all this company promise to give it you for your paines if you can but reade one sentence in it out of the originall text Which offer when Fisher refused some of the standers by laughed at him others wondred whether this were Fisher the Iesuit and made a question of it Master Burton who had promised silence observing the Iesuits folly by this behaviour and other idle speeches told him that he must give him leave to laugh and not be offended for he had by his promise at the beginning bound himselfe from speaking but not from laughing Mr. Fisher. The Iesuit plunged into this perplexitie thought it best to be gone and said that his businesse called him away he could stay no longer Mr. Walker Mr. Walker answered that this was an idle excuse For saith he you know Master Fisher that this day and houre was appointed by your selfe and set apart for disputation and though my businesse was great I was forced to lay all aside for this worke because no other day nor time would be accepted Therefore it is very unlikely that any businesse should now call you away or that you should appoint this time for any other imployment except you came either in hope to finde no adversarie which durst encounter you or with purpose if any appeared to shift off disputation by some such device By these and such speeches as also by the importunitie of the standers-by the Iesuit was detained and falling into the question about the infallible word of God after many speeches which passed to and fro about the originall Scriptures and the translations which was most authenticall and which translations the best and most uncorrupt and free from grosse errors Master Walker to cut off all needlesse discourse about such questions did very earnestly demand of the Iesuit whether he thought the vulgar Latine translation of the Bible to be the most pure uncorrupt and authenticall edition of the Scriptures and the true word of God according to the determination of the Councell of Trent Mr. Fisher. Fisher answered that he held it to be the uncorrupt word of God and the most authentike edition of the Scriptures Mr. Walker And though I doe much dissent from you in this opinion saith Master Walker and doe hold that of all translations which are of any esteeme among Christians there is none so full of errors and mistakings even in the judgement of S. Hierome himselfe upon whom the Papists falsly father it yet so far I doe approve of it that I doe not doubt but any learned Divine may easily gather teach and confirme out of it all doctrines which are necessarie to salvation For whatsoever necessarie truth is omitted in one place by mis-translatiō it is plainly expressed in some other places of the same which are truly and faithfully translated And here I doe make a faire offer and most equall motion to you before all here present viz. That I will undertake to make a plaine confession of the Protestants faith and of all the articles of religion which the Church of England holds necessarie to salvation in the very words and sentences of the vulgar Latine Bible without any materiall alteration at all upon condition that you when I have made good my word and promise will grant and acknowledge that the confession so made is a true confession of the true Christian faith and that all such articles are to be received and embraced for articles of the true religion Mr. Fisher. This offer when the Iesuit refused to accept he was much condemned

of truth Who at length for my humilitie and the sinceritie of my heart did grant my request and did draw me unto the Catholike Church where I found the truth and a sure ground to rest upon from which I purpose never to be moved but will hold me to it for ever Mr. Burton Mr. Burton grieved to heare the Iesuit boasting after such a Pharisaicall manner could not refraine but taxed him of pride and hypocrisie for ascribing his calling and his knowledge of the truth and of true religion as he termed it to the merit of his owne humilitie sinceritie and his praiers which he made before his conversion while he remained in ignorance Mr. Walker Mr. Walker also taking hold of his speech desired to ground a disputation upon his words and offered to prove that the Iesuit did erre most damnably and heretically in the first grounds of his faith and religion in that he builded his first calling upon the merit of his owne vertues and of his works which he performed before his calling in the state of ignorance and blindnesse He also taxed him of manifest absurditie and contradiction in his speech in that he first so farre vilified and condemned the Protestant state and counted it so sinfull and damnable that he asked forgivenesse of God for his once being a Protestant and yet immediatly did attribute his conversion and calling into the Catholike Church unto the merit of works which in that state he performed Moreover he charged him with extreame folly and madnesse for abandoning and forsaking that Church state wherein by his owne confession he did performe works meritorious and betaking himselfe to the service and slaverie of the Church of Rome that whore of Babylon the reward and just wages of whose servants and followers is shewed in Gods word Revel 19. to be the wrath of God and eternall vengeance in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone for evermore For answer to these obiections the Iesuit complained that it was uneqvall for two to set against one both at once And Master Burton desiring to bee excused for that he could not but out of his zeale reprove his palpable boasting of his owne merits promised to be silent hereafter if he would fall to disputation with Master Walker Then the Iesuit proceeded and spake to this effect Mr. Fisher. The Church of Rome of which I am a member is the onely true Catholike Church for it holdeth the same truth which Christ and his Apostles commended to it and hath not altered nor erred in any maine point but holds the same still which all true Catholike and Orthodox Fathers and Doctors did teach as here is manifestly shewed and proved in this booke by Gualtherius meaning Gualtherius his Chronographica sacra which there hee had brought and laid before him on the table who doth produce plaine testimonies of the Fathers in all ages from the time of Christ confirming the maine points of the Roman Catholike religion wherein Protestants dissent from Catholikes I doe challenge you to shew the like evidences for the Religion and doctrine which your Church doth hold which because you cannot doe it is manifest that you have not the truth neither are a true Church Mr. Walker Well Master Fisher if this be the best ground which you have to build vpon wee shall easily answer you and make it appeare that you are not the man which flying fame reports you to be and that you build on a sandie foundation I did expect some grounds and arguments gathered out of the sacred Scriptures and hewed out of the rocke of Gods word by the hand and art of some deeply learned Divine but I perceive that the best testimonie which you have to alleage for your Religion is that booke composed by one of your owne side and all you can say for your selfe is as the old Proverbe runnes Aske my fellow theese if I be a true man which you know it stands him upon to affirme whether true or false As for ●●●●●rius hee is as bold impudent and shamelesse a Pa●●st as needs put pen to paper For those testimoni●s of forged Fathers and of old Liturgies which all the learned of your Religion who have any wit learning or dram of modestie appearing in them have reiected he doth boldly and familiarly cite and produce for proofes without any shame or blushing If I should for our Religion cite and produce a booke of Luther or Calvin or any other Protestant you would laugh mee to scorne yea you reiect the bookes of the Fathers printed or set forth among us though you could never iustly tax or convince any one of us of partiall dealing or of the least wilfull falsification Let mee further admonish you that you shew little discretion in bringing humane testimonies especially of late writers to maintaine your Religion against me or to confute my Religion For I am as you know a Preacher of the Gospell one of them whom yee call Protestants and wee doe not build upon any but the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles Christ himselfe being the head corner stone We doe not regard in a controverted point of faith what any Father or Doctor doth hold or hath held in former ages but what Christ and his Prophets and Apostles haue left recorded in the infallible Scriptures of the old and new Testament and what the Fathers haue truly from thence observed We use the learned who have gone before us as helps and guides in places of Scripture and opinions which are doubtfull but wee doe as they desired denie their testimonies to bee grounds of faith Wherefore let us leave off all superfluous and idle allegations and discourses and let us come to a strict forme of disputation about some maine points of controversie If you be pleased to oppose any speciall article of our faith I will defend it or if you will take upon you to answer I will prove against you That your father the Pope is Antichrist That the Church of Rome is the whore of Babylon That your doctrine of merit of iustification before God by your owne workes is hereticall And that your Image-worship is damnable idolatrie Mr. Fisher. If you bee so forward to dispute I am for you and I come for that purpose But have you no other points to prove saue these That the Pope is Antichrist and the Church of Rome the whore of Babylon I remember that you urged me to dispute upon these above three yeeres agoe when you came to me in the New-prison belike you spend all your time and studie in these questions Mr. Walker It is true that I desired to dispute upon these questions foure yeeres agoe and then you refused I hope you have since studied how to defend them though then you were unprovided Indeed I doe offer these questions first of all to every Priest and Iesuit with whom I meet because the proving of any one of them doth at one blow overthrow all Poperie but you