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A66432 A vindication of the answer to the popish address presented to the ministers of the Church of England in reply to a pamphlet abusively intituled, A clear proof of the certainty and usefulness of the Protestant rule of faith, &c. Williams, John, 1636?-1709. 1688 (1688) Wing W2739; ESTC R10348 38,271 45

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into due Form is this If the same Apostle saith the Scriptures are able to make us wise unto Salvation that saith they are of Divine Inspiration then we are as certain of their Sufficiency as we are of their Authority but the same Apostle saith the Scriptures are able to make us wise to Salvation that saith they are of Divine Inspiration Therefore we are as certain of their Sufficiency as we are of their Authority This is the Argument and this I will abide by and if our Author had been a fair Disputant he would have shewed how either the Premises were false or the Conclusion not justly inferred from them and since the place in which his Cause was most concerned is ver 15. that the Scriptures are able to make us wise unto Salvation he should have directed his Answer to it but he found it too hard for him and so shuffles it off to the next verse All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable c. Whereas supposing that all Scripture there was after his wild way which I am not at present concerned to refute to be applied to each part of Scripture yet what is that to ver 15. where it's said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the holy Scriptures the same which Timothy had known from a child are able to make wise unto Salvation But though for fear of being engaged further he durst not undertake it yet he insinuates in an inference of his own that it was the old Testament only that Timothy had read But 1. How doth it appear that he read not also the Books of the New that were then extant of which there were many For Bellarmin in his Answer to this only says When this Epistle was writ the Apocalypse was not then extant nor the Gospel of John and perhaps some other Book was wanting of the Body of the Scripture Thereby yielding the rest were then Written and Published 2. If the Old Testament was able to make them that then read it wise unto Salvation then surely both Old and New is as sufficient now as the Old alone was then Our Author may remember where this was urged upon him but he prudently pass'd over that Paragraph in silence I shall still therefore conclude that the Scripture is not only profitable but necessary and not only necessary but sufficient to answer that end for which it was revealed and written and that is that we might believe and be wise unto Salvation His third Proof is this Christ sent the young man who put that Question to him Master what shall I do to inherit eternal Life to the Commandments thou knowest the Commandments and again declared that Moses and the Prophets were sufficient to dispose a sinner to repent Behold another Logical Inference of great credit to the University this Answerer was brought up in By reading Moses and the Prophets I am moved to repent from my sins and if I will know what I must do to inherit eternal Life I must know the Commandments therefore all things necessary to salvation are contained in Scripture I may with Justice return to this man more than what he ungroundedly says to the Addresser p. 1. that he takes up with such a sort of Arguments which tho not useful to make any ef his Religion may very well make others of none If such use only could be made of Scripture it would be of no use at all to our Salvation no senseless Heresie hath appeared this 1600 years which was not backt by more seeming Proofs from Scripture than these Here our Author again prevaricates The words in the Answer are these From which Consideration that all things necessary are in Scripture it was that all doubts relating to Salvation were hereby to be resolved which could not be were not all things necessary to Salvation contained in it In which there are these Two plain Propositions 1. That all doubts relating to Salvation might and were to be resolved by Scripture 2. That they could not be resolved by Scripture unless all things necessary to Salvation were contained in it The first of these which is the chief thing to be proved the Answerer shewed from Luke 10. 25 26. and Mark 10. 17 19. Luke 16. 29. In the first of these places our Saviour upon the Question put to him Master What shall I do to inherit eternal life Replies What is written in the Law how readest thou And he answcring said Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart c. To which our Saviour replies v. 28. Thou hast answered right this do and thou shalt live What saith the Prover to this His Answer from Bays p. 7. might well be returned were it seemly in so serious an Argument as we are upon He is indeed silent and in his words elsewhere one may guess at the reason without casting a Figure The same Question is again put to our Saviour Mark 10. 17. and our Saviour answers v. 19. Thou knowest the commandments c. implying That in the Law of which the Decalogue was a part there was the way prescribed by which Eternal Life was to be obtained The Third place in the Answer is Luke 16. 29. where the Rich man in Hell intreating that Lazarus might be sent to his Five brethren lest they come into that place of torment he was answered They have Moses and the Prophets let them hear them And when he supposed that was not sufficient but if one went from the dead they would repent Abraham answers again If they hear not Moses and the Prophets neither will they be perswaded c. In which there are these things First it 's supposed That if they did repent they would not come into that place of Torment 2. That if they hearkned to Moses and the Prophers they would repent 3. That whatever was necessary to their Repentance they might find and was contained in Moses and the Prophets What saith the Prover to this Why instead of an Answer he will be at his Logic and putting the Answerer's Proof in a due Form which he ushers in with great Triumph Behold another Logical Inference of great Credit to the Vuniversity this Answerer was brought up in Well what is this Logical Inference It 's this By reading Moses and the Prophets I am moved to repent of my sins and if I will know what I must do to inherit Eternal Life I must know the Commandments therefore all things necessary to Salvation are contained in Scripture If our Prover's Sincerity be no better than his Logic he is no more a Credit to his Religion than he is to his University if ever he was of one Here 's a defect in both but which prevails is not easie to determine I can relieve him by no other way but by supposing the Argument in the Answer gave him a Shock and his Brain was out of order before his Inference But without exposing his weakness further I
finding out a particular person and that he that would find him out knows not the man but for his better direction applies himself to one that knows somewhat of this matter and asks him Sir How shall I find out such a Man or where may I seek the Marks by which he may be discover'd Would it not force a Smile to have this Answer Do you ask that Why Friend the Marks and the Man are found at once for they are to be seen in his Face Would he not be made much the Wiser by this grave Reply and forthwith be able to find out the Man he seeks for by this goodly Direction Or would he not say Sir I came not to be informed of that which every one that is not a stark Fool understands as well as your Worship but I would know what are those Marks which are to be seen in his Face and by which I may know him from your self or any other and where are they describ'd And will not the other if he be able and willing to inform him then tell him the Marks are in the Gazette and there you may find them Now which is to be found out first the Marks or the Man And what are those Marks and where must I seek them Surely it needs no Application As for his Triumphant Marks of the Church he may find them answered to purpose in the Book not long since published upon that Argument 'T is also observable at what a distance these men are from the true Church who conceive it so hard to find her out All holy Fathers ever judged it a most easy thing to each Person insomuch that the Holy Doctor St. Augustin thus delivers his Sense of it I tell you with truth Brethren the Prophets have spoken more obscurely of Christ than of the Church I believe because they saw in Spirit that men would make Sects against the Church but would not be so much divided about Christ But 't is natural for a Crimnal to question the Power of his Judge and these men know it hath ever been the Sense of all Christians which St. Augustin exprest in the following Words There is no Salvation out of the Church who doubts of it Therefore whatever you have from the Church Seripture Creed Sacraments c help you not to Salvation out of the Church whether you believe contrary to the Truth or being divided from the Vnity gather not with Christ whence St. Paul says to Heretics Those who do such things shall not possess the Kingdom of Heaven He saith 'T is observable at what a distance Men are from the true Church who conceive it so hard to find it out But our distance from the true Church is not the more because we conceive it so hard to find her out in their way and by such Marks which if there are no other it 's impossible to find her out by But now if we go in St. Austins way then it 's not difficult for thus he determines it The weak seeks for the Church The wandring seeks for the Church I inquire after the Voice of the Pastor Read this to me out of the Prophet and read it out of the Psalms recite it from the Law the Gospel the Apostle Look for it in the Scripture and there you will find it Here the Prover cites a Passage out of St. Austin which I am confident he did not read there For 1. he quotes the 4 th Book of St. Austin de Vnitate whereas there is but one Book in all 2. There are several mistakes in the Quotation it self As he saith There is no Salvation out of the Church who doubts of it Whereas the Words of St. Austin are Qui autem super arenam aedificant i. e. qui audiunt Verba non faciunt as just before quis dubitaverit quod regnum Dei non possidebunt That is But those who build upon the sand who doubts that they shall not possess the Kingdom of Heaven Again the Prover reads it Whatever you have from the Church Scripture Creed Sacraments c. help you not to Salvation out of the Church Whereas there is nothing of this but it follows after what was said of the builders on the sand Nihil utique prodest Baptismi Sacramentum that is So that the Sacrament of Baptism profits not such And then he quotes that of St. Paul Those which do such things c. without that other Insertion of his Whether you believe contrary to the Truth c. The matters are not much material but by this the Reader may judg what a careless injudicious or confident to say no worse Adversary I have to deal with His other Queries have no difficulty and withal so little of Sense that I shall not offer to force my Readers Attention on them Whether the other Queries had any Sense I shall leave to others to judg but however because they may not be so easie to others as to himself it is to be wished he had shewed a little more of his good Nature and Condescendency to have resolved them I shall try once again whether I can make sense of them and leave him to try whether he can answer them If they are not Sense they are not to be understood and so there can be no hurt to Propose them If they have no difficulty they are the easier and the sooner answered The Queries Propounded in the Answer and yet remaining to be resolved are these Q. 1. What those Necessaries to Salvation are that are not contained in Scripture and where each of them is to be found Q. 2. Whether the Articles of Pope Pius's Creed joined to the Nicene Creed are as clearly to be proved from Scripture as those of the Nicene Creed or that those of the Nicene Creed are no more to be proved from Scripture than those of Pope Pius Q. 3. Whether it 's as necessary to believe the Church of Rome is the Mother and Mistress of all Churches and the Pope to be the Vicar of Christ and all the other Articles of that Creed of Pope Pius as it is to believe that our Lord Jesus was Incarnate and the rest of the Articles of the Nicene Creed Q. 4. Which has the first and Supreme Authority the Scripture or the Church Q. 5. Whether the Church can ordain new Articles of Faith and which when so ordained are as much to be received and believed as those which have their Authority immediately from Scripture Q. 6. Which is to be sought for first the Notes or the Church that is to be found out by these Notes If the Church then how shall I know it If the Notes where must I seek them Q. 7. If the Church be to be an Infallible Guide when it 's found out then what is the Guide that will infallibly lead to the Church And whether is that Guide to be sought for within the Church or without it Q. 8.