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A16571	All the examinacions of the constante martir of God M. Iohn Bradforde before the Lorde Chauncellour, B. of Winchester the B. of London, [and] other co[m]missioners: whervnto ar annexed, his priuate talk [and] conflictes in prison after his condemnacion, with the Archbishop of york, the B. of Chichester, Alfonsus, and King Philips confessour, two Spanishe freers, and sundry others. With his modest learned and godly answeres. Anno. Domini 1561	Bradford, John, 1510?-1555.	1561 (1561)	STC 3477; ESTC S116578	60,488	240

how I was certain of saluaciō of my religion Marie quod I amittinge all formalities saue y t I thācked thē for their good wil by the word of god by the scriptures I am certein of saluacion and of my religion Verye wel said quod my Lord of yorke But howe doo you knowe the worde of God and the scriptures but by the church In dede my Lorde quoth I the churche was and is a meane to bring a mā more spedely to know the scriptures and the woorde of God as was the woman of Samaria was a meane y t the Samaritains knew Christ but as when they had herd hym speake they said now we know y t he is Christ not bycause of the woordes but bycause we our selfes haue heard hym so quoth I after we come to the hearing and reading of the scriptures showed to vs and discerned by the church we doo beleue them and know them not by cause the church saith they are the scriptures but bicause they be so beinge therof assured by the same spirite whiche wrote and spake them ▪ yea quoth my lord of yorke but you know in the Apostles time at the firste the word was not written True quoth I if you meane it for some bokes of the bokes of the newe Testamēt but els for the olde testament Peter telleth vs that we haue Firmiorem sermonem Propheticum a more sure worde of prophecie Not quod I that it is simplie so but in respecte of the Apostles persons whiche beinge a liue and compassed with infirmitie attributed to the worde written more firmitie as wherewith no faulte coulde be founde whereas for the infyrmitye of their ꝑsons men perchaūce might haue founde some faulte at there perchīng Albeit in verie dede no lesse obedience faith ought to haue ben giuen to the one then to the other as being all of one spirite of truth That place of Peter quoth my Lorde of yorke is not so to be vnderstande of the worde of God written yes sir quoth I that it is and of none other yea in dede quoth my lord of Chichester maister Bradford doth tel you y e truth in that pointe Well quoth my Lorde of yorke you knowe that Ireneus and others do magnify much the churche and alledge the Churche againste heretickes and not the scriptures True quoth I for they had to do with suche heretickes as dyd denye the scriptures and yet dyd magnifie the Apostles that they were inforsed to vse those churches wherin the Apostles had taught and that churche stil had receiued the same doctrine you speake the verie truethe quoth my Lorde of Chichester for the heretickes did refuse all scriptures excepte it were a peice of Lukes gospell Then quoth I the alledginge of the churche can not be primarlye or principallye vsed againste me whiche am so farre from denyinge of the scriptures that I appele vnto them vtterlye as to the onelye iudge Io .xii. A pretye matter quoth my Lorde of yorke that you will take vppon you to iudge the Churche I praye you where was your ●hurche this manye yeres for the Churche of Chryste is Catholicke and visible Hytherto my Lorde quoth I I doo not iudge the churche when I discerne it from that congregacion those whiche be not in it And I neuer denied the church to be Catholike and visible althoughe at some times it is more visible thē at som I praye you quoth my Lorde of Chichester tel me where the churche which alowed your doctrine was this .iiii. C. yeres ▪ I will tel you my Lorde quoth I or rather you shall tell it you selfe If you will tell me where the church was in Helias time when Helias said that he was lefte alone That is no aunswere quoth my Lorde of Chichester I am more sorye you saye so quoth I But this will I tell you lordshipp that the same eies wherewith a mā might haue espied the church thē yf you nowe had them you would not saye it were no answere The fault why the churche is not sene of you is not bycause the churche is not visible but bicause your eyes are not clere ynoughe to se it you are much deceiued quoth he to make such a collation betwine the churche then now Verie well speks my Lord quoth the Byshoppe of yorke for Christes saith Edificabo ecclesiam meam I wyll buylde my churche and not I do or haue buyld it but I will build it My lord quoth I Peter taught me to make this collacion saying as in the people there was false Prophetes whiche were muche in estima●ion afore Christes comming so shall there be false teachers nowe and verye manye shall followe them And as for your futurtence I hope your grace quod I wil not exclude thereby Christs church not to haue ben before ▪ but rather that there is no buyldinge in the Churche but by Christes woorke onelye For Paule and Apollo be but waterers In good faith maister Bradford quoth my my lord of Chichester I am sorye to see you so litle to mind the churche He taketh vpon him as they al doo to iudge the church quod my Lorde of yorke A man shall neuer come to certentie that doth as they doo My Lorde quoth I take me beseche you in good part I speake simplie what I thincke and I desire reason to aunswere my obiections your affections sorowes can not by rules If that you consider the ende and cause of my condempnacion I can not thincke but that it shoulde so● thinge moue your honours you knowe it well ynoughe for you herd it no matter was layed againste me but what was gathered vppon myne one confession Bycause I denyed transubstantiacion and the wycked to receaue Christes body in the Sacramente therfore I was condempned and excommunicate but not of the Church although the pillers of the same as they be taken dyd it No quoth my Lorde of Chichester I herd say that the cause of youre prisonemente was for that you exhorced the people to take the sword in the one hande and the matocke in the other I neuer ment any suche thynge nor speake any thynge in that sorte my lord quoth I. yea quoth my Lorde of Yorke you behaued your selfe before the Counsell so stoutlye at the first that you woulde defend the Religion then and therefore worthelye were you punished your grace quoth I did here me aunswere my Lorde Chauncellor in that pointe But put the case I had ben so stote as they and your grace make it was not the lawes of y e realme on me side then wherfore vniustlie I was punished Onely transubstantiacion which was had on myne owne confession was the thing on which my lorde Chauncellor proceded you denye the presence quoth my lord of yorke I do not quoth I to the faith of the worthy receauer Why quoth he what is that thē to saye that Christe lyeth not of the alter No my lorde quoth I in dede I beleue not suche

Bradford answered that how so euer hrs honor toke him yet was he assured of his meanīg that no feare but y e feare of periury made him aferd to aunswere For as for death my lord ꝙ he as I knowe ther ar .12 houres in the day so w t y e lord my time is appointed And whē it shalbe his good tyme then shall I departe hence But in the meane season ꝙ he I am safe ynough though al the worlde had sworne my death Into his hādes I haue cōmitted it his good will be done And ꝙ Bradford sauīg mine oth I wil answer you in this behalf that the othe agaīst the. B of Rome was not nor is not against charitie Howe proue you y t ꝙ my lord Chācelor Forsoth ꝙ Bradford I proue it thus That is not against charitie whiche is not against gods worde but this othe against the bishop of Romes aucthoritie in Englande is not against gods worde therefore it is not against charitie Is it not against gods woorde ꝙ my Lorde Chancellour that a man shoulde take a kyng to be supreme heade of the church in his realme No ꝙ Bradford sauing styl mine othe it is not against gods worde but with it being taken in suche sence as it may be wel taken that is attributing to the kinges power y t soueraintie in all his dominions I praye you ꝙ the lorde Chauncelour where finde you that I finde it in manye places ꝙ Bradforde but specially in the .13 to the Romaines where Saint Paule writeth euery soule to be obediēt to the superiour power But what power que gladium gestat y e power verely which beareth the sweord which is not the spiritual but the temporall power As Chrisostome full well noteth ꝙ Bradforde vpon the same place whiche youre honor knoweth better then I. He Chrisostome I meane ther plainly sheweth y t bishops prophetes and apostles owe obedience to y e temporall maiestrates Here yet more the Lorde Chancelour was stered and said howe that Bradforde went about to deny al obedience to the Queene for his oth so ꝙ he this mā woulde make gods woord a warrant of disobedience For he will aunswere the Queene on this sorte that when she sayeth nowe sweare to the B. of Rome or obey his aucthoritye No wil he saie for I am then forsworne and so make the Queene no Queene No ꝙ Bradforde I go not about to deny all obediēce to the Queenes highnes by deniyng obedience in this part yf shee shoulde demaunde it For I was sworne to king Edward not simply that is not onely concernyng his owne person but also concerning his successours And therefore in denying to do the Quenes request herein I denye not her authoritie nor become dishobedient Yes that doest thou ꝙ my Lorde Chancelor And so he beganne to tell a longe tale howe if a manne shoulde make an othe to pay a Cli. by such a day and the manne to whom it was due would forgeue the debt The debter woulde saie no you cannot do it for I am forsworne thē c. Here Bradford desired my lord Chauncellor not to trifle it saying y t he wondred hys honor would make solemne othes made to god trifles in that sorte And make so great a matter concernīg vowes as thei cal it made to the bishop for mariage of priestes At these wordes y e lord Chācelour was much offended said he did not trifle but ꝙ he thou goest about to denie obedience to the Queene which now requireth obedience to the B. of Rome No my lord ꝙ Bradford I dooe not denye obedience to the Queene yf you would discerne betwene genus and species Because I may not obey in this to reason ergo I maye not obey in the other is not firme As if a mā let one sel a pece of his inheritāce yet this notw tstādyng al his inheritāce is not let or sold And so in this case all obedyence I denye not because I denie obedience in this branche I wil none of those similitudes said the lorde Chancellour I would not vse thē ꝙ Bradforde if that you wente not about to perswade y e people I meane that which I neuer mēt For I my self not onely meane obedience but wil geue ensample ▪ of all most humble obedience to y e Queenes highnes so long as she requireth not obedience agaynste god No no ꝙ my lorde Chauncelour al men maie perceiue wel inough your meaning There is no man though he bee sworne to the king doth therfore break his othe yf afterwardes he be sworne to the Frenche king and to themperour It is true my Lorde ꝙ Bradforde but the cases bee not like For here is an excepciō thou shalt not sweare to y e. B. of Rome at any time If in like maner we were sworne thou shalt not serue themperour c. you see there were some alteracion and more doubt But ꝙ Bradford I beseche your honour remembre what ye youre selfe haue written answeringe the obieccions here against in youre boke de vera obedientia Vincat modo domini verbi veritas Let Gods woorde and the reasons thereof beare the bell awaie Heare the lord Chauncelor was throughlye moued and saide styll howe that Bradforde had written sedicious letters and peruerted the people thereby and did stoutly stand as though he would defende the erronious doctrine in kynge Edwardes tyme against all men now ꝙ he he saieth he dare not answer I haue written no sedicious letters ꝙ Bradforde I haue not peruerted y e people But that which I haue writtē spokē y t wil I neuer deny by gods grace And wher your L. saith I dare not answer you y t al mē may know I am not afraid sauīg mine oth ask me what you wyl I will plainelye make you answer by gods grace although I now see my lyfe lyeth theron But O lord ꝙ he into thy hands I cōmit it come what come will onelye sanctifie thy name in me as in one instrumente of thy grace Amen Now aske what you wil ꝙ Bradford you shall se I am not afraid by gods grace flatly to answer Well then ꝙ my lord Chauncelour how say you to the blessed sacrament do you not beleue there Christe to bee presente concernynge his naturall bodye My lorde ꝙ Bradforde I doe beleue Christ to be corporally presēt in his sacrament duely vsed Corporally I say that is in such sorte as he woulde I meane Christe is there corporally presēt vnto faith Vnto faith ꝙ my lorde Chaunceloure wee muste haue manye moe words to make it more plain you shal so ꝙ Bradford but first geue me leaue to speake twoo wordes Speake on quoth my lord Chancellour I haue bene now a yeare and almoste thre quarters in prysone ꝙ Bradforde and of all thys tyme you neuer questyoned wyth me heare aboutes when I myghte haue spoken my conscyence frankely wythout peryll But nowe you haue a law to hāg vp and put to

death if a man answer freely and not to your appetite And so you nowe come to demaund this question Ah my lord ꝙ Bradforde Christe vsed not th●s waye to bring men to faythe No more did the Prophets or the Apostles Rembeēr what Barnarde writeth to Eugenius the Pope Apostolos lego stetisse iudicandos sedisse iudicantes non legi Hoc erit illud fuit ▪ c. Here the Chācelor was appeased as it semed spake moste gentlye that he vsed not this meanes It was not my doyng although some there be ꝙ he that thinke this to be the beste waie I for my parte ꝙ he haue bene chalenged for being to gētle often times The which thing the B. of London confirmed so did almoste all the audience that he hadde been euer to mylde and to gentle At whiche wordes Bradforde spake thus My Lorde ꝙ he I praye you stretche out your gentlenes that I maye fele it for hytherto I neuer felte it As sone as be hadde spoken thus the lord Chauncellour belyke thynkynge Bradforde woulde haue hadde mercye and pardone as Cardmaker and Barlow hadde sayd that wyth all hys hearte not onely he but the Queenes highnesse woulde stretche oute mercye yf wyth them hee woulde retourne Retourne my Lord quoth Bradforde God saue me from that goyng backe I meane it not so But I meane quoth he that I was three quarters of a yere in the Tower wythout paper penne or inke neuer in al that time nor sithē did I fele any gentlenes from you I haue rather loked for as I haue hitherto founde extremitie And ꝙ he I thank God I perceue now you haue kept me in prison thus long not for any matter you had but for mater you would haue Goddes good wil bee done Here was now diuerse tellīg my lorde it was diner time and so he rose vp leauing Bradforde speaking sayīg that in y e after noone thei would speak more with him And so was he had into y e vestry was there al that daye tyll darke nighte and so was conueyed agayne to prisone declaringe by his countenance great ioy in god the whiche God increase in him ¶ The effect and summe of the last examinacion of that faithfull instrument of God Iohn Bradforde in the Churche of Saincte Marie Oueries the 29. daie of Ianuarii .1555 AFter the excommunicacion of Laurēce Saūders Iohn Bradford was called in and being broughte before the Lorde Chauncelour and other bishops there sittinge the Lorde Chancelour began to speak thus in effecte that Bradforde beynge now eftsones com before thē wold aunswere with modestie and humylitye and conforme hymselfe to the Catholyke Churche wyth theym And so yet myghte he find mercy because thei would be loth to vse extremite Therfore he concluded with an exhortaciō y t Bradforde woulde recante his doctrine After the lorde Chancellor had ended his longe oracion Bradforde began to speak thus As yesterday I besought your honour to set in your sighte the maiestie and presence of God to follow him which seketh not to subuert the simple by subtil questiōs so quoth he I humblye beseche euery one of you to daie for y t you knowe that giltles bloud wil crie vengeaunce And thus quoth he I praie not your Lordship to do as one that taketh vpon me to cōdemne you vtterly herin but that you might bee the more admonyshed to doe that which none doth so much as he should do For our nature is so much corrupt that we are very obliuious and forgetfull of god Again ꝙ Bradford as yesterdaie I pretended my othe and othes againste y e B. of Rome that I should neuer cōsent to the practising of any iurisdiccion for him or in his behalfe in the realme of Englande so againe this day lest I should be periured And last of al as yesterday the answer I made was by protestacion and sauynge my oth so would I your honours should knowe that myne shal be this daie And this I do that when death whiche I loke for at youre handes shall come I shall not be troubled with the giltines of periury At these words y e lord Chancelor was wroth said that they had geuē him respite to deliberate vntil this day whether he would recāt the heresies of the blessed sacrament whiche yesterday ꝙ the lord Chancelor before vs you vttred My lord ꝙ Bradforde you gaue me no time of any such delyberacion neither did I any thing of the sacrament which you didde disalow For when I had declared a presence of Christ to bee there to the faithful you went frō the matter to purge your selfe y t you were not crewel and so went to dinner What I perceiue ꝙ my lord Chācelour we must begin all agayne with thee d●d I not yesterday tell thee plainely that thou madest a conscience where none should be Did I not make it plaine that the othe against the Bishop of Rome was an vnlawfull othe No ꝙ Bradford In dede my lord you said so ꝙ he but proued is not nor neuer can do Oh lord god ꝙ the lorde Chauncelour what a felowe arte thou Thou wouldeste goe about to bringe into the peoples heades that we al the lords of the parliamēt house y e knights Burgiesses and all the whole is periured Oh what an heresye is thys Here good people ye may see what a Churlishe hereticke thys felowe is If I shoulde make an othe I would neuer helpe my brother or lende hym money in hys nede were this a good aunswere to tell my neyghboure desyringe my helpe that I hadde made an othe to the contrarye I coulde not dooe it Heare the lorde Chauncelor made muche a do a long time was spēt about othes which wer good which wer euil he capciously asking of Bradford often answer of things cōcerning othes which Bradford would not geue simply but with distincciō wherat the lord Chancelour was sore offended But Bradford styll kept him at the baye that the oth againste the B. of Rome was an vnlawfull othe vsing therto the Chancelors owne boke de Vera obedientia ▪ For confirmaciō at the length thei came to this issue who should iudge of the lawfulnes of of the othes And Bradford said the worde of God accordynge to Christes owne woordes Iohn .12 saying My word shal iudge And according to the testimonie of Esai .2 Micheas .4 That goddes word coming out of Ierusalē shal geue sentēce amongst y e gentiles By these wordes my lord ꝙ he I will proue the othe against y e B. of Romes auctorite to be a good a godli a lawful oth So therof the lord Chauncelor left his hold sayīg y t as y e other day he p̄tēded denyal of the Queenes aucthoritie obedience to her highnesse so did he now But Bradford as the day before proued that obedience in this point are particuler to the Quenes highnes If she shold demaūde an othe to the B. of Rome beinge denied it

are they that are not offended at me yea quoth I my lord you thinck none is of the church but such as suffer persecutiō what I thincke quod I god knoweth I pray your grace iudge me by anye wordes and speaking and marke what Paule saythe Omnes qui volunt all that wil liue godly in christ Iesu must suffer persecutions Sometime Christ church hath reste here but commonlye quoth I it is not so And specially towardes the end her forme wil be more vnsemlye But what saye you to sainct Augustin quoth he where is youre Churche that hath the consent of people nations Mary quod I al people natiōs y t be gods people haue cōsented with me I w t them in the doctrine of faith Loo quoth he howe you goo about to shifte of all thinges No my lord quoth I I meane simplye and so speake god knoweth S. Augustī quoth he dooth here talke of successiō euen frō Peters sea yea like your grace ꝙ I that sea thē was nothīg so much corrupt as it is now Wel quod he you alwaies iudge y e church No my lord quod I. As christs shep discerne christs voice but they iudged not it so they discerne the churche but not iudge her yes that you do sath he● No like your grace quoth I ful wel may a mā doubte of y e Romish church for she obaeth not Christs voice as christs true church doth wherin quod he ī latē seruis ꝙ I robbeth the Laytye of Christes cuppe in the Sacramentes Why quoth my lord of Chichester Latten seruice was in England when the Pope was gon True quoth I tyme was when the Pope was awaye but not all Poperie as in Kyng Henrys dayes Latten seruice quoth my lord of yorke was appointed to be songe had in y e Queare where only were Clerici that is such as vnderstād laten y e people sitting in y e bodie of y e churche prayinge their owne priuat prayers and this quoth he maye well be yet sene by making of the Chaunsell and Quere so as the people could not come in or heare them yea qut my lorde quoth I both in Chrisostomes tyme and also in the laten churche in sainct Ieromes tyme as he writteth in the preface I trowe to the Galathians al the church saith Amen Aunswering againe mightely Amen whereby we maye see that y e prayers were made that both the people herd them and vnderstod them you are to blame quoth my Lorde of Chichester to saye that the churche robbeth the people of the Cup. Well my lord quod I turne it as please you all men knowe that the Laitye hath none of it In dede ꝙ I I would wishe the churche would defyne againe that they might haue it for my ꝑt if god make free quoth I who cā define to make bound generallie Well quoth my lord of yorke maister Bradford we lese but labour for you seke to put awaye al thīgs y t be told you to your good your churche no man can knowe yes that you maye well quoth I. I pray you whereby said he forsoth Chrisostome shoeth it Tantummodo per scripturas onely by the scriptures and thus speaketh he verye often times togyther as you well knowe quod I ▪ In ded quod he that is of Chrisostome In opere imperfecto whiche maye be doubted of the thinge whereby the church may be knowen beste is successiō of Byshoppes No my lord quod I Lyra ful well writteth vppon Matthew that Ecclesia non consistit in hominibus ratione Potestatis secularis aut ecclesiastice Sedin hominibus in quibus est noti●ia Vera et confessio Fidei et veritatis And in Hilarius time you know he writteth to Auxcentius that the Churche dyd rather Delitescere in cauernis them Eminere in primariis sedibus Here commeth one of their seruauntes and tolde them that my lorde of Durisme taried for them at Maister yorkes house for inded it was paste .12 of the clocke vppon a .4 howres they taryed with me And after that there mā was come they put vp there written bokes of common places and saide they lamented my case and so wishing me to red ouer a boke whiche dyd doctor Crome good as my Lorde of Chichester sayde and wyshyng me good in words they wente there wayes and I to my prison Vppon mondaye whiche was the .22 of Februarie about .8 of y e clock in y e morning which was an howre soner then was appointed There came to the Coūter where I was in prison to Spannishe friers Alphonsus and the kings Confeffor as they said and with them twoo priestes whiche were Englishe men as I wene when the howse was voyded of other companye I was called donne beinge come before them a stoole was pouled out and I bidden sit doune whiche thinge I did after a signe of ciuilitie geuen to them Nowe thus sitting beginneth the Confessor to speake in latten and aske me in latten for al our talke was in latten whether I had not sene nor herd of one Alphonsus y t had writen against heresies And I aunswered that I did not know him well quoth he this man pointing to Alphonsꝰ is he Verye good quoth I. After this he beginneth to tell me howe that of loue and charitie by the meanes of the Erle of Darbye they come to me bycause I desired to conferre with them And I answered that I neuer desired there cōming nor to conferre with them or any other but quoth I seing you are come of charitie as you saye I cannot but thanckfully acknowledge it and as for conference though I desire it not yet quoth I I wyl not refuse to talke with you if you will Than began Alphonsus to tel me that it were requisite I did pray vnto god that I mighte followe the direction of gods spirite and as he should enspire me not being addicte to min owne selfe will and with where vpō I made a prayer besaught god to directe al our wille words and workes as the willes words and workes of his children for euer yea quoth Alphonsus you muste praye with your herte For if you speake but with tong onely God will not giue you his grace Sir quoth I. doo not iudge leste you be iudged you haue hearde my wordes now charitie would haue you to leaue the iudgement of the hart to god you must quoth Alphonsus be as it were a newter not wedded to your sentence But as one standinge in doubte praye and beleue be redye to receaue what god shall inspire for quoth he in vaine laboureth our tong to speake els Sir quoth I my sentence if you meane it for Religion must not be in a doubting or vncertein as I thācke god it is not euen for that where in I am condēpned I haue no cause to doubt but rather to be most certein of it therfor I pray god to confirme me more in it for it is his truthe And therfore

sayeth he that eateth of of the bread callinge it bread stil and that after consecraciō as you cal it And so brought furth the sentence of the .10 to the Corinthe the breade whiche we breake c. Oh quoth he how ignoraunt are you which knowe not that thinges retaine the names they had after their cōuersion as Moyses Rood And here they called for a Bible and so was all moste a quarter of an houre before he could find out the place finding faulte at the Bible bycause it was Vataples Bible At the lenght when he had found it lord God howe he triumphed but I cooled the heate furthwith for syr quoth I there is mencion made of the conuersion as well as the same appered to the sence but quoth I here you cannot fynd it so finde me one worde how the bread is conuerted and I will then saye you bringe some matter that maketh for you At these wordes he was troubled at the lenght he said howe that I hanged on mine owne sence No quoth I that doo I not For I will bringe you furth for .viii. C. yeres after Christe the fathers of the church to cōfirme this which I spake No quoth he you haue the churche againste you I haue not quoth I christ church against me yes y t you haue sayth he And so asked me what the church was Marie quoth I Christs wife the cheare and seate of veritie Is she visible quoth he ye that she is quoth I if that you wil put on the spectacles of gods word to loke on her This churche quoth he hath defyned the contrarye and that will I proue by all the good fathers continuallye frō Christes Ascencension euer for .15 C. yeres at y e leaste cōtinually What will you proue so quoth I transubstantiation yea quoth he that y e bread is turned īto Christs bodie you speake more then you can do quod I. That do I not quod he Then quod I. I wil giue place Wil you beleue quod he Beleue ▪ ꝙ I ▪ is gods gift therfore cannot I ꝓmise but I tel you quod I that I wil giue place I hope shal beleue gods truth alwaies so good is he Here he foūd a grreat faulte w t me y t I would not deserne betwixte Habitum et actum as though Actus which he called credulitie had ben in our powre but this he let passe cōmeth againe asking me if he could proue it as he said whether that I would giue place yea ꝙ I that I wil. Here was called for paper pen and yncke to writte And then I said what and if that I proue it you continuallye for .viii. C. yeres after Christe at the least the substabnce of bred to remayne in the Sacrament by the testimonie of the Fathers what will you do quod I I will giue place quod he with this paper came in Then said I writte you howe that you wyll gyue place if I so proue I wil write that I wyll gyue place yf you so proue Bycause you are the aunciente you shall haue the preeminaunce Lord God howe angry he was nowe and said that he came not to lerne at me so saide here is two witnesses meaning it of the two pristes and they be sufficiedt And so here about we had much ado to none effecte but to a plaine scolding if I had not giuē place to the furor of Alphonsus for he was verye testie and hastie and here he dispreased Bucer and all that praised hym with muche other talke At the lenght the confessor asked me of the seconde question what it was Sir quoth I that the wicked men receaue not Christes bodie in the sacrament as Sainte Augustin speaketh of Iudas that he receaued Panem domini but not panem dominū S. Augustin sayth not so quoth Alphōsus yes y t doth he quoth I so they rose vp talked no more of that matter but asked me how they should get me all the fathers and old aucthors that proue and affirme the bread to be turned into Christes bodie Sir quoth I you maye sone doo it howbeit bycause you shall not trouble youre self if I maye haue my bokes I nead no more but notes of y e places Thus they went their waies howe they brooked my talke I cā not tell for they bad me not farewell After they were gon commeth one of the priestes and willed me not to be so obstinate Sir quoth I be not you so wauering In all the scriptures cannot you find me non est panis yes thst I can quoth he in .5 places Then will I eate your boke quoth I so the boke was opened but no place founde and he wente his waye smiling God helpe vs. Vpon the .21 of Marche by the meanes of one of y t Erle of Darby his men lefte behind my lorde his maister for y e soliting of my cause as he said to me there came to the Coūter to diner one maister Collior ones warden of Maūchester the said seruaūt of y e Erle of darbie of whome I lerned y e maister doctor Westone Deane of westm̄ would be with me in y ● after none aboute .2 of the clocke or before At diner therfore when the sayd warden dyd discommend kynge Edwarde and went about to sett furth the aucthoritie of the Pope whiche I with stode defendinge the kinges faith that it was Catholike and that the aucthoritie of the Byshoppe of Rome his supremycie was vsurped bringing furth the testimonie of Gregorie which calleth y e name of supreame head to be a title of y t foriner to an techrist a woman prisoner was brought in where vpō I toke occasiō to rise frō the table so went to my prison Chāber to begge of god grace and helpe therin continuing there stil vntil I was called down to speake which maisterster Weston So soone as I came into the hall maister weston verye gentlie toke me by the hand asked me how I did with such other talke At y e lenght he willed auoidaunce of the chāber so they all went out saue maister weston himself maister Collior y e Erle of Darbie his seruaūt y t subdeane of we wm̄ the keꝑ maister Clayden the ꝑson of the churche wher the Counter is Nowe then he beginneth to tel me how y t he was often mynded to haue come vnto me beinge therto desired of the Erle of Darby and quod he after that I perceaued by his man that you could be cōtented rather to speake with me then any others I could not but come to do you good if I cā for hurt be sure I wil not Sir quoth I. When I perceued by the reporte of my lord seruaunte that you did beare me good will more as he said thē any other of your sorte I told him thē that therfore I could be better contente more willing to talke with you if you should come vnto me This did I say quoth I other wise