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A36591 Innocency and truth vindicated, or, A sober reply to Mr. Will's answer to a late treatise of baptisme wherein the authorities and antiquities for believers and against infants baptism are defended ... : with a brief answer to Mr. Blinmans essay / by Henry Danvers. Danvers, Henry, d. 1687. 1675 (1675) Wing D223; ESTC R8412 108,224 202

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and_o many_o suffer_v bond_n and_o martyrdom_n from_o protestant_a brethren_n for_o the_o profession_n thereof_o p._n 260._o thessalonian_o 5._o thessalonian_o the_o church_n in_o thessalonica_n of_o the_o same_o faith_n and_o practice_v p._n 76._o fleming_n 6._o fleming_n the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o flanders_n assert_v the_o same_o and_o multitude_n of_o martyr_n that_o witness_v thereto_o by_o blood_n p._n 267_o etc._n etc._n bohemian_o 7._o bohemian_o the_o church_n in_o bohemia_n witness_v to_o this_o truth_n and_o their_o great_a suffering_n for_o the_o same_o pag._n 271._o hungarian_n 8._o hungarian_n the_o church_n of_o hungaria_n of_o the_o same_o practice_n p._n 274._o pole_n 9_o pole_n the_o church_n in_o poland_n of_o like_a faith_n and_o practice_v p._n 274._o transilvanian_o 10._o transilvanian_o the_o church_n in_o transylvania_n of_o the_o same_o practice_n 274._o english_a 11._o english_a the_o church_n in_o this_o nation_n own_v the_o same_o principle_n and_o 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