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A68098	A pleasant dialogue, betweene a souldior of Barwicke, and an English chaplaine Wherein are largely handled & laide open, such reasons as are brought in for maintenaunce of popishe traditions in our Eng. church. Also is collected, as in a short table, 120. particular corruptions yet remaining in our saide church, with sundrie other matters, necessary to be knowen of all persons. Togither with a letter of the same author, placed before this booke, in vvay of a preface.	Gilby, Anthony, ca. 1510-1585.	1581 (1581)	STC 11888; ESTC S109674	76,666	200

that beste doe like it For they are confirmed in theyr malice and superstitions and are boldened to doe that whiche is without fayth and therefore is sinne and whiche is without the warraunt of Gods worde and therefore must needes be done with a doubtfull conscience Thus Papiste and Gospeller weake and stronge are offended some in fayth some in charitie by these patches of poperie and lowsie Romishe ragges Bernarde Thou vsest thy tearmes to spitefullie yet thus to call them For if they were lowsie I woulde not weare them I promise thee Mil. They are worse than lowsie for they are sybbe the sarcke of Hercules that made him teare his owne bowels a sunder Bern. Let goe these wordes and come to the fourth poynte howe these thinges are against the Scriptures or beside the Scriptures Mil. They are beside the scriptures because that no manner of appoynted apparel for Christes Ministers nor anie sacramentall garmentes are once named in the newe Testament which is a booke all sufficient to instructe vs to all well doinges By the which we may learne what Christ required of his Apostles and what simplicitie they vsed in their garmentes and ceremonies vsage of their sacraments And this is most playne that they borowed no garmentes of the Idolaters that they had conuerted vnto Christe which is the scope of our Disputation For this is the question as it is nowe in controuersie Whether it be against or besides the scripture for them to weare the garmentes of idolatrous priestes that haue bin the meanes to beate downe their Idols and to banishe their Idolatries The question also may runne further Whether anie true Bishoppe of Christe may compell his fellowe Bishoppe and fellowe Minister by prison so to do But this declareth Rome to be come home to our gates and Christian libertie in this point to be vtterlie banished Therefore I will not nowe medle with it Howe beit I do aunswere to y t former that if Paule called all the carnall and outwarde holines and all that he might truste in concerning the flesh vnder Moses lawe donge losse and drosse for Christes sake then must all y t Idolaters be they papistes or others counte all their hypocriticall shewe of holinesse dunge drosse And that they shoulde do so GOD by his Prophete Isaiah doeth teache thē to deteste and destroye into powder those things that were about the Idols most precious And sayeth that this shalbe the token and fruite of the taking awaye of their former sinnes when they shall make al the stones of the Altars as chalke stones broken in peeces that the Groaues Idols may not stande Againe sayeth he Pollute the couering of the Images of siluer the Ephod of the image of golde and cast them away as a menstruous cloute and say vnto it Gette thee hence Wherefore I aske thee if thou thinke of cōscience that Isarah could suppose that the little ragges of the Idolles should be kept in reuerence for comelinesse and to beautifie the ministerie sacramentes when he had giuen such terrible charge against the greatest Nowe furthermore because these priestlie garmentes were carnall shewes of the papistes they are dunge and drosse and so beside the scriptures But as they are Reliques and ragges belonging to the moste blasphemons Altars and Idolls so are they against all the scriptures that commaunde the vtter abolishinge of Idolatrous remnauntes whereof I coulde alleadge manie places Therfore as the wearing of the garmentes of the Chemarims of the Priestes of Baal or of Mahomet in the ministerie and in the sacraments were besides or contrarie to the scriptures if anie of these shuld be commaunded for decencie and order So these popishe garmentes are besides and contrarie to the scriptures because the Idolatrie of the papistes hath bin as wicked and abhominable before God as anie of these God also sayeth by his Prophete Zephanaiah that he will cut out the remnaunt of Baal and the names of the Chemarims and the priestes and all those that are clothed with straunge apparell Therefore it is besides or agaynste the scriptures to mainteyne such remnauntes of such priests and such shewes of straunge apparell borowed from the Idolaters The Prophete Hosea teacheth That the people of God may not mixe their religion with other people Therefore it is besides or agaynst the scripture to mixe our true religion and sacramentes with the doings of the papistes Zachariah sayeth also That the false prophetes shalbe ashamed of their visions and garmentes wherein they haue deceaued Therefore it is beside or againste the scriptures to compell Christes Ministers to weare them And though some libertie bee permitted by the scriptures for the Church to appointe some orders yet are the boundes so limited that all must be to the glorie of God and to edification nothing superfluous or triflinge nothing superstitious nor idolatrous For such thinges are againste Gods glorie against the scriptures of God and contrarie to edification as thou hast hearde Bern. If thou be able to proue the commaundement of these thinges so playnelie to bee agaynste Christian libertie also whiche is the fifte poynte thou wilt almoste perswade me to speake no more against the London Ministers Mil. That is a thing moste euident and therein I doubt not but that we shall agree For to binde a man to doe agaynst his conscience is against Christian libertie but thereto are manie driuen by this commaūdement therefore it is against christian libertie The conscience muste haue Goddes worde to warraunt the actions But Gods worde doth not warraunte vs to vse these idolatrous geare but playnlie forbiddeth the same Therefore man can not haue his conscience perswaded that this standeth with christian libertie Agayne to commaunde men to absteine from such thinges as were knowne to belonge vnto Idosles which are called Idolothita was the advouchinge of Christian libertie and the declaration that they were no longer vnder that Idolatricall slauerie wherefore the Apostles commaunded it at the beginning Therefore to bee bounde to vse these thinges is against christian libertie As for the vse of the matter or substaūce of such things either vnknown or of some necessitie I haue tolde thee before that so the creature is indifferent And to knowe this is one pointe of Christian libertie like as to flie from Idolatrous bondage and to teache others to do the same is the practise of true christian libertie Furthermore to binde men vpon the perill of liuinge and libertie to weare those garments wherein their heauenlie Father hath bin blasphemed Christes death derided his Sacramentes polluted theyr Brethren deceiued and murthered in soules and in bodies declareth a verie small semblance of Christian libertie The holy Apostles commaunde men to absteyne from the filthinesse of Idolies meaning by that worde Filthines that they coulde haue nothinge to doe with anie thing belonging to the Idolles but that they shoulde be defiled So doth Paule call the Idolles Deuilles and sayth that they that eate of their tables are

that wee maye not alwayes vse our libertie to the extremitie but muste doe some thinges for feare to offende other mens consciences which seemeth good policie Mil. It is true the holy Apostle Paule sayth in this maner Whatsoeuer is set before you eate asking no question for conscience sake But if any man say vnto you this is offered to idols eate it not because of him that shewed it and for the consciēce sake the conscience I say not thine but of the other These words make cleane against you for first he telleth not as you aleadge what we must doe but what we must leaue vndone for other mens conscience For he teacheth that we may not vse these Idolothites that is thinges belonging to the Idols to offend any mans conscience but rather abstaine from such libertie and neither eate flesh nor do any thing that may offend our brother Now marke this matter that we haue in hand These popish geare were Idolothites thinges belonging to Idols in the wearing whereof many good mens consciences are offended and they openly tell you that they were thinges wherein the Idols were serued and that they are greeued to see you weare such liueries of Antichriste so they are offended in charitie and can not vse you as Brethren as they were wonte to doe Again the papistes and the weaker sort that haue not bin fullie taught doe still thinke and say and teache others that these are the things that belonged to their Masse and to other popish idolatrie and therefore al their poperie was not euill seeing Christes Ministers and Sacraments cannot be without them Thus their weake consciences are offended in fayth and thinke their olde idolatrie good and therefore cannot repent of it Wherefore for the consciences of others if there were no cause else you should abstain frō this libertie that you chalendge to your selues in these idolatrous garments like as Paule affirmeth that he woulde neuer eate flesh rather than he should be thoughte willingly and wittingly being once warned to eate any meate dedicate to Idols Bern. But hereby thou doest to much restraine our christian liberty seeing our conscience is free Mil. Although I might answere thee w t the saying of Ambrose It is lawful for thee with safe cōsciēce thou mayst haue a wife yet if she play y e harlot she is to be reiected and cast away from thee Euen so the meate saith he if it be offered to an Idoll must be spit out This sentence of Ambrose agreeth with the decree of the Apostles commaunding to abstain from idolothites But Paul declareth that in cōmon vsage where no mā is offended we haue a libertie to vse things that are offered vnto vs by the course and necessitie of this life as the creatures of GOD without doubtfulnesse Therefore I do graunt that the Surplesse or such like may be vsed in cōmō businesses as to make it a Porters weede or to lappe some course thing therein as did Epiphanius with the vayle at Anablata or to giue to some poore man or woman that wante clouthes for their children But to vse it in the Sacramentes in Gods businesse is to make all the worlde to thinke that wee which would seeme reformers of Religion doo but trifle in Gods matters and that wee neyther doo abhorre Antichriste nor his hypocrisie Therefore as Iehu did well in turning the Idolatrous Temples into iakes and in polluting the garmentes with the bloud of the Priestes So should we procede in true reformations and all the faithfull Ministers of God should be Trumpets to stirre vs forwarde not clogges to drawe vs backwarde Bern. What you are to whote and to hastie you thinke that Rome may be builded vpon one day There bee many yet infirme and weake in Englande with whome the Gouernors must beare for a season vntill they bee stronger and that is very good police seeing they cannot reforme all thinges at once And because such thinges haue bin creeping in by little and little haue nowe bin long vsed they cannot be taken awaye but by a long continuaunce Mil. Nowe I doe aske thee in Gods name if thou doe thinke that they go about to builde Rome againe or to destroye it A thing is muche sooner destroyed then builded or canste thou tell mee this howe long they will bee weake or when all will bee strong It is almost fortie yeares since the Pope and poperie hath bin so long written and spoken against and about thirty yeres that his name as a thing most odious was commaunded by law of parliament to bee razed out of all Bookes and places in Englande and the Testament of Iesus Christ hath bin so long restored and published a-amongst vs. Now if men be not yet confirmed in the knowledge of Christe agaynste that Romane Antichrist the Pope and his blasphemous Priesthoode when will they be confirmed when they are fiftie or threescore yeares old peraduenture and haue bin taught so many yeares But you know that the most part die before fortie and who shal aunswere for them Either howe knowest thou that Gods word shall continue in Englande tenne or twentie yeares longer vntill men be no more weake Either wil you tarry till men learne it in another worlde Either is God so bounde to England that he will not forsake Englande as hee hath done his owne people and many other Nations for the greatnesse of their sins Nay thou murthering Englande that hast slaine so many of the seruauntes of God whiche called for the fruites of the Lordes Vineyarde and haste yet shewed no true fruites of repentaunce but sworne and forsworne thy selfe in sundrie Parliamentes and delightest stil in thy dregges and hatest them to this day that faithfully doe their office thou ●ust heare feele this terrible iudgement that the Lorde will let out his Vineyarde to others that will deliuer him the fruites in due season and that also which he spake to a people of greater holinesse than thou art The Kingdome of God shall bee taken away from you and giuen to a nation that shall bring forth the fruites thereof And O ye time takers time waiters which can finde no time to doe well alleadging the weakenesse of others beware that it be not your own weakenesse which wold fayne please both God and the worlde and therefore swim betwixt two waters Is it not yet time to build and purge Gods house when you haue alreadie builded ceeled and trimmed your own houses Beholde you may see in very short time where zeale and care of religiō is without halting al things are easily reformed after the word of God reuerently receaued Beware therefore that it be not of your own weakenesse that haue not yet learned rightly to hate those vayne traditions and superstitious shewes of the popish priesthoode but are content to be in such flauery your selues and so woulde haue all others rather then you will suffer any thing for the furtheraunce of the