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A55892 The principles of a people stiling themselves Philadelphians discovered in their nicest points and matters; accurately handled, shewing their rise, continuance, and tenents in doctrin and manner of proceeding, &c. Also a curious discourse between an English dissenter and French Protestant, by way of dialogue, in vindication of the Church of England against novelties in religion. Lafite, Daniel. Friendly discourse between an English dissenter and a French Protestant. 1697 (1697) Wing P3494A; ESTC R219027 36,218 131

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whether young or old Kings or Subjects Nobles or Commons in prosperity or adversity in a wealthy and comfortable or in a pinching and afflicted condition and they are proportioned with that exactness to these several circumstances as if they had been made on purpose to express and represent every one's particular state and condition E. D. I must own there is somewhat of truth in what you have said concerning the Psalms but one thing I find that spoils all which is your silly way of reading them by turns the Minister reading one Verse and the People answering another which certainly is a consus'd if not a scandalous way of praising God F. P. What you are pleas'd to call confus'd and scandalous is in my opinion very edifying and heavenly and my opinion is grounded upon Reason for this way of reading or singing Psalms by turns as hath been partly already hinted is extremely well suited to excite each others Affections and to encrease our Emulation making us as it were to strive to outvie each other in Zeal and Devotion and to contend who shall worship and praise God with most earnestness and fervency Now this holy Emulation cannot but be very profitable and edifying yea and Heavenly too because it comes nearest to the Pattern of Heavenly and Angelical Adoration for thus we reade that the Seraphims cry to each other by turns Holy holy holy Lord God of Hosts c. Isai 6.3 E. D. Well but I have another Objection against your way of reading the Psalms and that is that at the end of every one of them you repeat the Gloria Patri Glory be to the Father and to the Son c. which certainly is a very vain repetition F. P. I am not of your opinion for if you observe this Doxology is not applied twice to the same subject for though we repeat it constantly at the closing of every Psalm yet because they most commonly differ and vary in their subjects for you will hardly find two Psalms together of the same Argument some being Psalms of Doctrine and Instruction some of Confession of Sins some of Profession of Faith some of Supplication and Prayer some of Praises and Thanksgiving And forasmuch as every one of these Arguments contain sufficient and powerfull motives to stir up our Hearts and Affections to bless and glorifie God therefore the closing of every Psalm with this Doxology Glory be to the Father c. cannot be judged vain and improper but rather very proper and edifying After the reading or singing of the Psalms we proceed to reade the Lessons the one out of the Old Testament and the other out of the New which order affords this great conveniency amongst several others that by this means the Old Testament is read over once and the New Testament thrice every Year E. D. This is a great mistake of yours whether wilfull or no I shall not enquire for the Book of Chronicles is never read as well as many particular Chapters of some other Books F. P. I confess the Books of Chronicles are not read but the reason of it is plain and evident because for the most part they are but a repetition of the Books of Kings which are read in their course and if any Chapters of other Books be omitted 't is either because they contain little else but a repetition of what is gone before or because they treat of the Genealogies Ceremonies and Laws of the Jews which chiefly concern'd them as being now antiquated and of little use under the Gospel E. D. Pray why do you reade the Apocryphal Books then which certainly are of as little use and concern as those Books and Chapters you omit in the course of your Lessons F. P. I don't think so for though they be not Canonical they are such as may be read with Profit and Edification in that they contain many true and pious Histories or Relations of the Lives and Actions of several great and excellent Persons whose worthy and glorious Examples are very proper to affect our Hearts and raise up in us an ardent Desire and holy Emulation to imitate their transcendent Virtues to express their untainted Innocence and copy their unshaken Constancy Courage and Magnanimity Moreover we find there most exquisite Precepts of Morality directing and informing of us in the Practice of all vertuous Actions teaching us how to order our Lives Manners and Conversation and recommending to us the loveliness and excellence of Vertue as well as representing the deformity and misery of Vice and Wickedness E. D. But if I be not mistaken you do not reade the first and second Lesson immediately one after another F. P. True for after the first Morning Lesson we say or sing the Te Deum We praise thee O God c. or the Benedicite O all ye works of the Lord Bless ye the Lord c. both of which are the most excellent and heavenly Hymns that ever were fram'd by Men each of them being a most complete Form of Thanksgiving Praise and Adoration After the second Morning Lesson we repeat the Song of Zacharias or else the 100 Psalm both of which are not onely Divine and unquestionable but also extremely proper to inflame our Hearts with Love and Gratitude to God for all his unutterable Goodness bestowed upon us In the Evening Service after the first Lesson the Church appoints the Song of the Blessed Virgin or the 98 Psalm and after the second Lesson the 67 Psalm or the Song of old Simeon all which for the Reasons just now mentioned cannot but be acceptable to God and edifying to those that attend his Worship E. D. But what probable reason can you give for inserting and intermixing these Songs of Praise with your Lessons F. P. The Church has appointed the Repetition of these Sacred and Seraphick Hymns to be us'd as a solemn Form of Thanksgiving for those unspeakable Mercies and heavenly Blessings and good things revealed and promised to us in his Word newly read to us and it is but fitting and seemly that after we have heard God graciously speaking to us we should in gratitude eccho forth our Praises and Thanks to him and this we do in the Hymns now mentioned E. D. Some of these Hymns I think might be allow'd but there be two thrust in amongst them which seem to me very improper and that is the Song of the Virgin Mary for bearing Christ in her Womb and that of Old Simeon for seeing Jesus Christ in the Flesh and holding him in his Arms Now since these are extraordinary Cases which reach none of us therefore I conclude the use of them somewhat strange and extravagant F. P. To begin with your first Objection I readily own that we have not the same occasion to use this Hymn as the Blessed Virgin had for God the Word his taking Flesh in her Womb was a priviledge peculiar to her alone Yet pray consider that when we in all humility with Obedience and