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A66961 Concerning images and idolatry R. H., 1609-1678. 1689 (1689) Wing W3441; ESTC R38732 65,462 92

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down_o also_o all_o thing_n and_o person_n sacred_a the_o clergy_n and_o church_n §_o 49_o 7._o next_o if_o it_o be_v more_o particular_o inquire_v what_o this_o veneration_n or_o honour_n be_v that_o be_v communicable_a or_o pretend_v to_o belong_v as_o to_o other_o holy_a thing_n so_o to_o holy_a image_n for_o so_o i_o call_v those_o represent_v holy_a person_n such_o honour_n for_o the_o external_a sign_n thereof_o have_v use_v to_o be_v in_o ancient_a time_n and_o still_o be_v in_o the_o roman_a as_o also_o oriental_n church_n uncover_v the_o head_n bowing_z kiss_v embracing_z light_n perfume_n etc._n etc._n as_o we_o see_v also_o man_n place_n in_o their_o closet_n kiss_n or_o embrace_v the_o picture_n or_o effigy_n of_o a_o person_n who_o they_o dear_o love_v without_o any_o fear_n of_o either_o idololatria_fw-la or_o idolodulia_n in_o such_o a_o practice_n again_o for_o the_o internal_a intention_n join_v with_o such_o outward_a gesture_n this_o also_o non_fw-la ullus_fw-la cultus_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la tribuuntur_fw-la naturae_fw-la intelligenti_fw-la as_o bellarmin_n observe_v or_o any_o such_o submission_n of_o mind_n as_o he_o that_o honour_v it_o acknowledge_v himself_o inferior_a to_o it_o which_o vasquez_n therefore_o take_v internal_a adoration_n in_o so_o strict_a sense_n just_o reject_v as_o unapplicable_a to_o any_o image_n or_o inanimate_a thing_n in_o what_o consideration_n soever_o but_o a_o inward_a esteem_n and_o value_n of_o they_o for_o some_o particular_a relation_n they_o have_v to_o some_o other_o object_n more_o excellent_a than_o ourselves_o as_o also_o a_o intention_n by_o the_o outward_a gesture_n we_o use_v to_o show_v not_o to_o the_o image_n to_o which_o we_o perform_v they_o but_o to_o any_o person_n capable_a of_o understand_v our_o action_n the_o prototype_n or_o other_o the_o esteem_n we_o have_v of_o any_o thing_n so_o near_o belong_v to_o such_o a_o person_n f._n suarez_n thus_o express_v it_o in_o 3._o thom._n disp_n 54._o §_o 5._o est_fw-la existimatio_fw-la quaedam_fw-la imaginis_fw-la ut_fw-la est_fw-la similitudo_fw-la ad_fw-la personam_fw-la sacram_fw-la or_o ut_fw-la est_fw-la quaedam_fw-la res_fw-la habens_fw-la relationem_fw-la ad_fw-la tale_n exemplar_n propter_fw-la quam_fw-la honour_n illi_fw-la exhibetur_fw-la non_fw-la ea_fw-la intention_n ut_fw-la ipsa_fw-la illum_fw-la percipiat_fw-la such_o cult_a belong_v only_o to_o thing_n intelligent_a say_v solum_fw-la ut_fw-la convenienti_fw-la &_o reverenti_fw-la modo_fw-la tractetur_fw-la juxta_fw-la existimationem_fw-la quae_fw-la de_fw-la illa_fw-la haberi_fw-la debet_fw-la atque_fw-la adeo_fw-la ut_fw-la haec_fw-la ipsa_fw-la existimatio_fw-la ipsism_n actionibus_fw-la significetur_fw-la &_o ostendatur_fw-la significatio_fw-la autem_fw-la haec_fw-la sicut_fw-la non_fw-la fit_a propter_fw-la imaginem_fw-la quae_fw-la adoratur_fw-la ita_fw-la neque_fw-la fit_a ad_fw-la ipsam_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la ipsa_fw-la percipiat_fw-la animum_fw-la &_o intentionem_fw-la adorantis_fw-la sed_fw-la hoc_fw-la modo_fw-la ordinatur_fw-la significatio_fw-la ad_fw-la eum_fw-la propter_fw-la quem_fw-la fit_a adoratio_fw-la vel_fw-la certe_fw-la etiam_fw-la ad_fw-la alios_fw-la qui_fw-la adorationem_fw-la vident_fw-la whereby_o such_o person_n will_v testify_v to_o they_o his_o honour_n of_o the_o prototype_n unde_fw-la per_fw-la tale_n officium_fw-la adorationis_fw-la homo_fw-la non_fw-la ita_fw-la se_fw-la submittit_fw-la imagini_fw-la ut_fw-la profiteatur_fw-la se_fw-la inferiorem_fw-la illa_fw-la which_o may_v remove_v vasquez'_v scruple_n say_v solum_fw-la profitetur_fw-la imaginem_fw-la pertinere_fw-la seu_fw-la esse_fw-la aliquid_fw-la ejus_fw-la qui_fw-la superior_a &_o excellentior_fw-la est_fw-la in_o which_o worship_n of_o the_o image_n virtualiter_fw-la exhibetur_fw-la rei_fw-la intellectuali_fw-la debitus_fw-la cultus_fw-la quamvis_fw-la in_o expressa_fw-la &_o formali_fw-la intention_n hoc_fw-la non_fw-la habeatur_fw-la thus_o suarez_n de_fw-fr mysterio_fw-la incarnate_a disp_n 36._o §_o 3._o n._n 39_o and_o lugo_n thus_o animus_fw-la exercendi_fw-la exterius_fw-la circa_fw-la imaginem_fw-la dando_fw-la ei_fw-la superiorem_fw-la locum_fw-la honorifice_fw-la eam_fw-la tractando_fw-la etc._n etc._n propter_fw-la excellentiam_fw-la exemplaris_fw-la quam_fw-la repraesentat_fw-la eas_fw-la actiones_fw-la submissionis_fw-la externae_fw-la praestat_fw-la quas_fw-la exercere_fw-la solemus_fw-la circa_fw-la excellentiores_fw-la &_o dominos_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la quod_fw-la volumus_fw-la significare_fw-la quod_fw-la interius_fw-la existimemus_fw-la imaginem_fw-la esse_fw-la nobis_fw-la superiorem_fw-la vel_fw-la dominum_fw-la quia_fw-la totus_fw-la hic_fw-la honour_n debetur_fw-la exemplari_fw-la etiam_fw-la in_o sva_fw-la imagine_v this_o i_o have_v exhibit_v at_o length_n out_o of_o these_o two_o judicious_a schoolman_n to_o avoid_v many_o cavil_n about_o the_o mode_n of_o this_o inferior_a worship_n and_o observance_n that_o be_v give_v to_o and_o terminate_v in_o image_n as_o also_o in_o other_o sacred_a thing_n §_o 50_o 8._o yet_o 8ly_a catholic_n contend_v that_o it_o do_v not_o hence_o become_v necessary_a that_o this_o existimation_n or_o external_a reverend_a tractation_n of_o inanimate_a thing_n perform_v to_o they_o in_o consideration_n of_o some_o other_o sacred_a or_o honourable_a person_n they_o appertain_v to_o shall_v therefore_o