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A85389 Cretensis: or A briefe answer to an ulcerous treatise, lately published by Mr Thomas Edvvards, intituled Gangræna: calculated for the meridian of such passages in the said treatise, which relate to Mr. John Goodwin; but may without any sensible error indifferently serve for the whole tract. Wherein some of the best means for the cure of the said dangerous ulcer, called gangræna, and to prevent the spreading of it to the danger of the precious soules of men, are clearly opened, and effectually applied; / by the said John Goodvvin, a well-willer to the saints, in the work and patience of Jesus Christ. Published according to order. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1646 (1646) Wing G1161; Thomason E328_22; ESTC R35707 46,594 52

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comes into Stepney-Parish to draw away people That to Mr. Greenhils face did justifie and maintain many wicked opinions c. Vpon occasion whereof there was a meeting concluded and Mr. Greenhill and Mr. Burroughs with many others were at it Hee tells you further when this meeting was viz. a little before Mr. Burroughs fell upon the preaching of the power of the Magistrate in matters of Religion And further adorns the relation with many good words that Mr. Greenhill should speak at this meeting with others that Mr. Burroughs should speak as particularly that in regard of these things matters being so there was a necessity both of the government of the Church and of the power of the Magistrate c. As likewise with others that should be spoken by divers others there present This story is long and the particular forgeries in it numerous beyond measure In which respect I shall desire the Reader at his leasure to make the computation which he may do with exactnes enough if he shall please to compare Mr. Edwards Relation with these ensuing lines which I received from Mr. Burroughs himself in writing anent the businesse That story Mr. Edwards hath page 79. of one Nichols and of a meeting concluded of occasioned by some vise opinions vented by that Nichols where Mr. Greenhill and my selfe he sayes was together with divers passages that hee relates came from mee at that meeting is all false I know no such man as this Nichols I never heard there was such a man in the world till I read it in Mr. Edwards his book I to this day know of no meeting about him or any of his opinions either intended desired or resolved upon much lesse that there was any such meeting The next Lords day after Mr. Edwards his book came forth M. Greenhill asked me whether I knew of any such meeting with that Nichols for his part he wondred to see such a thing in Mr. Edwardshis book for he knew of no such meeting Thus far M. Burroughs And because we have had occasion here to mention Mr. Burroughs and Mr. Edwards takes occasion p. 33. not onely to deale by him as he doth by his other Sectaries whose opinions he arraignes ad placitum for errors but seldome either names their persons or encounters their opinions by argument whereas hee hath expressed himselfe in both against him I desire to insert a few lines for the vindication of him that is unjustly charged by detecting the weaknesse and groundlesnesse of the charge The opinion wherewith Mr. Burroughes stands there charged amongst the Sectaries as with an error is this Whatsoever errors or miscarriages in Religion the Church should bear withall in men continuing them still in communion with them as brethren these the Magistrates should beare with in men continuing them in the Kingdome or Commonwealth in the enjoyment of the liberty of Subjects But first it is to be considered that Mr. Burroughes p. 34. of his book had laid down this position That notwithstanding any plea of conscience yet if the error be destructive to the State a man may be dealt withall by the State for it And secondly this p. 35. That no pretence of conscience can excuse a man in any matter of apparent injustice These two conclusions pre-asserted he comes p. 67. to give this Rule for forbearance in matters of Religion That whatsoever miscarriages in matters of Religion the Church should beare with these the Magistrate should beare with because though it should be never so much granted that the Magistrate is Custos utriusque tabulae yet his charge in matters of Religion reacheth not further then the charge of the Church doth Now Mr. Edwards to confute this instanceth in a man whose conscience is not satisfied in the point of subjects taking up Armes against Armies raised by a Prince and therefore refuseth bearing Armes and all maintenance to such a warre c. Such a man as this saith he the State may sequester and the Parliament I think hath sequestred many upon such occasions taking their estates c. Surely this confutation is so farre from being fit to satisfie any Scholar that it hath hardly strength or colour enough to take women or weake people with a For doth the State deale with such a person as he gives instance in as for an error or matter in Religion or for injustice to the State yea apparent injustice and that which is destructive to the State For forbearing that which if others should for beare also the State must needs be destroyed Now evident it is that Mr. Burroughs Doctrine or Rule touching for bearance concerns matters of Religion when the subject matter is Religion not matters of State wherein men may pretend conscience yea it may bee are conscientious indeed so farre and in such a sense as men of an erroneous conscience may be such But this confutation of Mr. Burroughs is it seems but a forlorn hope the fore-runner of a great Army of confutations advancing Troilus I see will needs be trying his valour with Achilles whatsoever it costs him Infelix puer atque impar congressus Achilli How his Pen hath abused Mr. Ellis of Colchester and other faithfull servants of God in those parts with base calumnies and slanders the world I conceive will shortly understand by an Expresse from thence For Mr. Ellis himselfe writes thus to a friend in London The aspersions cast on me and some others here by Mr. Edwards are as false as foule which because they are a great part of his book and strength those who are here concerned in it will if God please shortly make reply Page 57. He affirms that the preceding letter beginning thus p. 54. Worthy Sir the consideration of those many c. was written to him by a person religious and cordially affected to the Parliament I know not the man my selfe and therefore shall not attempt to infringe this testimony of him out of any personall experience which I have of him or of his wayes but shall onely referre the Reader for his satisfaction both concerning the man and the testimony given to him to this ensuing letter written by one well enough known to himselfe to a speciall friend of his about the Citie DEarly beloved and much honored in Christ grace mercy and peace be multiplied to you and to as many as are enabled by the power of God to look towards Sion As I was hastily perusing a book writ in Mr. Edwards name among sever all letters therein contained I found one written by a person with whom I have more then ordinary acquaintance In which letter the glory of God the pure institutions of the Lord Jesus with the Saints practises are maliciously abused as also your selfe not a little concern'd In consideration of the which I was not a little prest in my own spirit neither indeed could I refrain but needs must declare unto you the person that wrote it as he himself acknowledgeth