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A55558	Mr. Powels answer to a late fictitious pamphlet put forth by two leading Quakers, viz. John Vaughton and John Feild in which their account of a discourse between them and him is here rectified : every thing that is material in their said book answered and several notorious lies therein detected to the just shame of the publishers : also good counsel in the conclusion of the whole to such that are the principal leaders of the Quakers ... with an epistolary discourse touching the imputation of sin to Christ ...	Powell, Thomas.; Vaughton, John, 1644-1712.; Field, John, 1652-1723.	1676 (1676)	Wing P3067B; ESTC R24064	19,612	24

had the word Imputation before yet he doth not say Positive●●● that I had not whereas John Vaughton relates thus Now Tho. Bye hath since this Paper was Published declar'd in the ●●esence of several Persons That T. P. did not speak nor mention the ●●●d Imputation before So that you may see what a flagitious Re●●●or this Quaker is but see further of his Impiety Lastly Thomas Bye my Witness to clear me from this cruel As●●sion viz. A Lie which I would not be guilty of for a world ●●th here set his hand that though since he has considered he cannot remember I had the word Imputation before yet I had his hand ●●●ely and voluntarily from him to what I have said in my own de●●●ce The Refult of all touching the abusing of my Witness you see friendly Reader i a Lie of John Vaughtons own hatching and yet ●●ow fain would this confident Quaker have fastned it upon me but shall forbear my corrosives for his lying till I have particulariz'd ●●●m all Lye 2. John Vaughtons other Lie is in p. 9. wherein he maketh use ●● Mr. Faringtons name telling hie Reader that he said I was a Liar ●● deny'd also Mr. Farington acknowledgeth that I was mi●● taken in that I said the word Imputation was in and was not for so 〈◊〉 understood me and so he told my Adversary but that he said I was 〈◊〉 Liar and had told many Lies about it he denieth and further saith that if he knew me to be a Liar he would not have told such as the Quakers who think no pains too much to scrape in the Kennels and Dunghills of mine and his Brethrens infirmities to have dirt to cast ●●on us Lye 3. John Vaughtons next Lie is his charging Mr. Farington with a Lie for so it is in effect in that he chargeth Mr. Farington with beach of Promise whose Fidelity in Point of Promisc I shall make ma●●fest by transcribing my Adversaries own words And that he should at Preach in his Meeting-House till he had Publickly condemn'd it But Now John Vaughton thou knowest and besides thee an 〈◊〉 sembly of people that I condemn'd them in a Sermon and no●● this time These Words Jesus was the greatest Sinner in●● World as thou in thy ignorance took it viz. That he was a S i●● Actually I pleaded as much for the Innocency of my dear●● viour as thou pretendest to do My Text was at that time 2 〈◊〉 5.21 Which fitted the sence and scope of my Position 〈◊〉 knew no sin i.e. Experimentally he felt no sin in his own he● he acted no sin in his Life Chamiecus Bcza By field Grotius in looc But otherwise he knew fully wha●●● was he knew well the effects of it Say all Expositors upon 〈◊〉 place He was made sin for us as he was made a Sacrifice for 〈◊〉 for the Sin-Offerings in the Old Testament were called sin 〈◊〉 was made sin i e. By Imputation c. Sins were charged u●●● him This and such like was the whole matter of my Ser●●● Preached at Mr. Faringtons Meeting-house and elsewhere 〈◊〉 satisfied both him and others but if I had meant no otherwise by 〈◊〉 Position then what thou wouldst fain suggest to the poor people 〈◊〉 do assure thee thou wouldst have found Mr. Farington as good as word that way as well as this Lye 4. When I say the Quakers are no Christians I mean their principal Leaders not all their followers for I believe there are many poor souls who if they knew the Quakers principle would abominate them Another Lie that I charge John Vaughton with is in 〈◊〉 he denieth the Quakers to be no Christians thing that has been pro●●● and shall still be prov'd when they please To Illustrate this is bu●● lighting a Candle at noon day c. For has not the late Ingen●●● Mr. Hicks undertaking to prove them hererodox both in princi●●● and practice and they are dumb being consious to themselves that 〈◊〉 are no Christians Lye 5. The fifth Lye he is his denying that to be their principle wh● they have so often Declar'd viz Christ dying only as an Example ind●●● they dotalk of Redemption but this Redemption is of the Seed wh●●● Seed is Christ so that Christ came to Redeem himself of which you m●●● read with satisfaction in Mr. Hicks Dialogues Thus thou feest my Friendly Reader what a Brow of Brass 〈◊〉 Adversary has in laying his Brat at in Door and yet it seems 〈◊〉 Adversary as I have of late understood is accounted a great Prophet amengst the Quakers but I am sure he is a lying one as m●●● be prov'd by the Catalogue of his Lies here inserted and by an●● ●●●●stance which I shall here acquaint 〈◊〉 ader with and I 〈◊〉 it will make him smile The same Quaker John Vaughton by name pretendeth upon 〈◊〉 having those words above-mentioned und●● my Hand to be ●●●'d of God to reprove or as he phraseth●●● bear Testimony a●●●●st me in the Countrey as well as in the ●●●cy it happened that ●●●n he came into the Countrey which ●●s above twenty miles 〈◊〉 I was then at London and he came t●●●e place where I Preach 〈◊〉 then there was neither Preacher nor people I being there but 〈◊〉 a Fortnight Surely this man 〈…〉 no more to Reve●●●s if he doth who will believe him 〈◊〉 that he hath been the ●●●wils fool hitherto and by the Father of Lies was sent upon a shev●●● Errand Now thou false Prophet who hast censured me what shall I say 〈◊〉 have prov'd thee guilty of such wilful studied Lies Thou 〈◊〉 call'd me a Liar but I have prov'd thee one And therefore in 〈◊〉 Name of my great Lord and Master I do Pronounee thee Ac●●●sed and that if thou repentest not Thou shalt be damned I come now to my Adversaries Book John Vaughtons Pamphlet fictitions as it declares his ability ●●●hing the Defence of several Tenets among the Quakers I have 〈◊〉 in general to say of it abstracting what is there written from ●●●tologies vain Repetitions and other Impertinencies the mat●●● of it may be contain'd in a Nut-shell but seeing that I have 〈◊〉 Pen to Paper I 'le answer it more particularly I shall first con●●er the Title of his Book which is this A Vindication of Jesus ●●rist the Immaculate Lamb of God I admire the confidence of this Man how he dares to stile his ●●ok A Vindication of Jesus Christ If he had not been a Quaker 〈◊〉 were somthing but forasmuch as thou art a Quaker and talkest of ●●●dicating Holy Jesus Lay thy Mouth in the dust for how darest 〈◊〉 to Vindicate that which thou dost not hold A Vindication of ●●●rist I cant't believe it thy title is only a colour a pretence a ●●●t whereby thou mayst allure souls to swallow down thy poi●on●●● errours but notwithstanding this my Adversary perhaps ●●y reply He and all his Friends own Christ I answer Friends i.e. Quakers so

more passages were it not for wasting of good Pap●● might I transcribe out of that hellish Book I beseech you who 〈◊〉 Parents to get other kind of Catechism's for your children for 〈◊〉 principles contain'd in G. F's Catechism are principles that the Devil of hell hath hatch'd ergo They are Soul-damning For a further confirmation of my assertion I would desire 〈◊〉 Reader to see Mr. Faldo's Key which will interpret many of 〈◊〉 Quakers Words and Phrases as followeth Publicans and sinners i. e. All that are not Quakers The Royal Seed i. e. Christ and every Quaker Sons of God i. e. The Quakers only The Synagogues of Satan i. e. The Assemblies of any sort of people for divine worship who are not Quakers Cummultis aliis For a perfect confirmation of my assertion viz. That the Quaker do hold that all who dye not in belief of their principles shall damn'd See in this ensuing Relation which I shall stand by Once a Maiden Acquaintance of mine was courted by a zealot Quaker who during the time he was Suitor had prevailed with her to go with him to hear his Friends S i. Quakers and that once or twice at last he demandeth of her how she lik'd them she answered worse and worse which occasion'd him to break off from her and withal to say that if she heard any other she would certainly be damn'd I know not any thing else in his fictitious discourse that requires answer I have consider'd every thing that I judgd Material as to his opprobrious term●s scatter'd in his Book viz. Minister of the Power of Darkness Enemy to God c. I look upon as below my self to take notice of and if so be I am accounted a Blasphemer by such who are the greatest Blasphemers in the World I shall rejoice knowing that it is one Note and Character of false Prophets to cast dirt filth and Reproach upon the true In the Postscript of my Adversaries book I find him to be offended at such expressions in my prayer as I believe will record his heterodoxy to pesterity and spoile him I am sure for a Gospel Minister notwithstanding his crowing Divinity of late our best duties are Fly blown with sin and best performances are Bed ridden These words It seems do stumble the Quakers much its no marvel because they hold perfection to be attainable but let these imaginary Perfectonists boast as they please we know that such who are Christians understand these Phrases well unto whom they are so acceptable that I need not enlarge any further As to the other Expression We must have no dependency upon Christ within I say so still i. e. As the Quakers understand it and do say that our hopes of Salvation must hang and depend upon what Christ God-man without hath done without us I do find also that my Adversary has lin'd his book with many excellent Texts of Scripture unto which I shall only say this A poifonous Pill is never a whit the less poisonous because 't is guilded over with Gold nor a Wolf is never a whit the less a Wolf because he hath put on a Sheep-skin nor the Devil is never a whit the less a Devil because he somtimes appears like an Angel of Light So neither is John Vaughtons Book any whit the less an Erroneous book because of Scriptural Phrases and Sentences I come now to the Conclusion of my Adversarys Book which you have in these words Let Thomas Powel and all others to whom these Lines may come know that our Owning and Preaching Christ within a the holy Apostles did doth not at all gainsay or oppos Christ as he was Manifest without in the dayes of his Flesh for we have a Dear and Honourable Esteem unto our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in all his manifestations both within and without and he who professeth and talks of him only or wholly without denying him any place within Man is a Deceiver and an Anti-Christ Unto which I answer briefly I confess the words as they lye in themselves are good but notwithstanding this fairness I smell a Quakers Rat in it and do avouch that what they say concerning Christ without is a meer Equivocation in short by Christ without they mean only this Christ in you without me This my ingenious Reader is all they mean by Christ without and should they deny this they must be fain then to deny what they have said in other of their books So by this you may see by what means the Quakers do entangle poor silly souls viz. By a seeming approbation of every principle pertaining to the Christian Religion The Conclusion wherein is contained in brief Seasonable Soul-Affectionate and good advice unto the principal Leaders of the Quakers or any that are promoters of Fundamental errours Sirs You are the most injurious of that because by owning of errours you prejudice your selves and by propagating of errours you prejudice others Oh the precious time strength and spirits that you spend in advancing that which you shall be no gainers but losers by you are the greatest Engineers that the Devil hath for persecution and heresie has been the main Engins whereby that Prince of Darkness hath endeavor'd to undermine Religion Persecuters touch the body but such that are Fementem of heresie touch the soul Persecution with Saul kills its thousands but heresie with David its ten thousands Persecution is the arrow that flies by day but Heresie is the Pestilence that rageth in the night Persecution is the Pruning-knife that loppeth off the Branches of Religion but Heresie is as the Axe which is laid to the Root of the Tree Persecution is the Dragon that drives the Woman into the Wilderness but Heresie is the B●ast that speaks Blasphemy Persecution began in Nero a Tyrant but Heresie began in Simon a Witch Persecution began about 66 years after Christs Ascention but Heresie immediately after Christs departure about the Sixth year of Caligulas Reign Persecution is the wild Boar of the Forest Heresie is the little Fox that eateth the tender Grapes Oh ye fals teachers speak nor write any more that which is erroneous can't you be content with deceiving your own souls but you must deceive others too O profligate flagitious Wretches that must embrue your hands in the blood of souls that you can't go to hell alone but you must have company with you that you must put a Cheat not only upon your selves but upon others If ever you are saved it must be by fire Spair your pains cost and charges make much of time ere long it will be no more spend no more of it in erroneous Excogitation Acknowledge your selves lying Prophets confess your faults and errors God is Faithful and Just to forgive and cleanse from all unrighteousness Call home your Devilish Pamphlets and Books Rec●● what you have written and said Now you may and you shall do well ere long you must but then it shall go ill Besides Not only dammage of soul accrues by such kind of service but also the thing aim'd at shall never come to pass Veritas vincit Truth at last will Triumph it shall never be wholly Eclipsed and therefore all your attempts O ye Promulgators of Errour will be but vain I trust in God that truth will never go out of this Land notwithstanding the specious pretence of truths Enemyes though their books are publish'd abroad having fair Titles in their Frontispieces promising fair I say in their Title pages yet some piercing eyes there are that with facility perceiveth the Croaking Toads and crawling vipers that swarms therein and causeth them immediately to die the death Oh that the consideration of the vileness of the service hurt of the soul and impossibility of effecting what in error is designed might prevail upon these poor men to proceed no further for though they are the Leaders of a great many to hell Yet they will be as unable to bear the heat of hell as others Men and Brethren according to the Flesh weigh these things seriously and then tell me whether hitherto ye have not been the servants of the Devil and your own humours That all our infamous hererodox teachers may become famous orthodox teachers hath been Is and shall be the earnest Prayers of him who is an earnest well-wisher to all your souls THO. POWEL POSTSCRIPT IF so be any of my Adversaries shall return an Answer hereunto though I know not unto what I have been so faithful in what I have written yet if they do I expect and also every Judicious Reader that in the first place they clear themselves of those notorious Lies and Forgeries that I have charg'd them with or else manifest repentance for the same in making confession thereof unto the world and then I presume we shall be satisfied If they say any thing in the defence of their Principles I expect that it be pertinent and then I shall do according as God may direct If impertinent as they use to do any competent Judge will then discern what a ridiculous Sect the Quakers are and the badness of such a cause that is fain to be supported either by nothing at all said in the defence thereof or if any thing is said it is in pertinent irrational and absurd In the mean time I leave this to their consideration advising them to take heed what they do For Mr. Hicks in my Presence and the Presence of several others at my Meeting in the Countrey offered to prove their Religion a Cheat and moreover hath promised me to do it at any time with any one Person that they shall Assign Tho. Powell What Occasion there has been for my Name in this Book I Approve Thomas Bye FINIS