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A14363	A fruteful treatise of predestination, and of the deuyne prouidence of god as far forth as the holy scriptures and word of god shal lead vs, and an answer made to all the vain and blasphemous obiections that the epicures and Anabaptistes of our time canne make. Set forth dialoge wise, by Ihon Veron.; Fruteful treatise of predestination, and of the devyne providence of god.	Véron, John, d. 1563.	1561 (1561)	STC 24680; ESTC S119102	83,266	305

be deceiued can not finally pearish But the elect cā not finally be deceiued The wordes of the scriptures are plaine which be these Ma. xxiiii there shal arise false Christes and false Prophets and shal shew greate sygnes and wonders so that if it were possible they shoulde deceiue the verye electe And in the reuelation Re. xvii we learne that they only can be deceyued whose names are not wrytten in the boke of life It is easye then to perceiue that the elect canne not pearish For their names are wrytten in the boke of life afore the foūdations of the world were laid They to whome life euerlastyng is both promised and geuen of him that can not lie afore all worldes can in no wyse pearyshe But vnto the elect life euerlastynge is bothe promysed and geuen of hym that that can not lie ii Ti. i. afore all worldes he hath saued vs saithe s Paule and called vs wyth an holy calling not accordinge to oure owne workes Tit. i. but accordynge to hys owne purpose and grace whyche was geuen to vs through Iesu Christ before the worlde was Again we are vnder the hope of eternal lyfe whyche God that can not lye hath promysed before the world began The elect then can in no wise pearyshe Augusti de correptione et gratia Not all that be called are chosen How thei that are chosen AS manye as are chosen they are also called but not as many as are called consequently are chosen They therfore are chosen which as it hath ben oftē said are called according to the purpose which also are predestinated and foreknowen If any of them do perishe God is deceiued but none of them pearysheth For God is not deceiued If any of them do perish God is ouercomd with mans syn or vice It anye whōe god hath chosen vnto God lyfe euerlastyng can pearish then is God ouer comde by mans sin Wherfore Iudas was chosen But none of them pearysheth for God can be ouercommed wyth nothing They are chosen to raigne with Christe not as Iudas was chosen to the woorke that he was mete for For he was chosen of him that can vse wel euyl men that by his dampnable worke that venerable work that he was come for might be fulfilled When therfore we do hear haue I not chosen you twelue and one of you is a deuil we ought to vnderstande that they were chosen throughe grace and that he was chosen throughe iudgement He dyd therefore chuse them that they mighte obtayn his kyngdom but hym he dyd chuse for to shed hys bloude and for to bringe him to hys passion ¶ Other certaine argumentes whereby it is proued that the reprobate can not be saued THey for whome Christ doth not vouchsafe to pray Ihō xvii The worlde is here takē for the reprobate and wyeked world linges them God wyll not vouchsafe to saue but Christe dothe not vouchsafe to praye for the reprobate I sayth he do pray for them I pray not for the worlde but for theym whome thou haste geuen me For they are thine God therefore wyl not vouchsafe to saue the reprobate They to whom it is not geuen to beleue in Christ can not be saued it is not geuen vnto the reprobate to beleue in Christ the wordes are playne Iohn vi therfore sayde I vnto you that no man can come vnto me Iohn xii excepte it be geuen vnto hym of my father Againe Therefore coulde they not beleue because that Esaias said he hathe blyneded theyr eyes and hardened theyr hart that they should not se with theyr eyes nor vnderstand with theyr hearte and shoulde be conuerted and I should heale them The reprobate then can not be saued The chosen only shal finallye abide and remayne in the Churche of Christe For i. Iohn ii if they had bene of vs truelye they shoulde haue abyden wyth vs The reprobate are not chosen for they wer not of vs. Therefore the reprobate shall not abyde and remayne finallye in the church of God But they that shall not finally remain in the church of God can not be saued He that was of God ordayned vnto euerlastynge punyshmente coulde not bee saued Act. i. But Iudas was such a one he hath saythe Peter gone astraye Act. iiii that he myghte go into hys owne place Agayne they gathered them selues together to do what so euer thine hande and thy counsayle had determyned before to be done Read psalme xlix Therefore Iudas coulde not be saued They from whom the misteries and secreates of the kyngdome of heauen by the wil of God are hidden can not be saued but the mysteries of the kingdome of heauen are by the will of god hydden from the reprobate Christe hym selfe saying Mat. xi I geue the thanckes O father Lord of heauen and earth because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and from men of vnderstanding and hast opened them vnto babes It is so O father because thi good pleasure was such Therfore the reprobate can not be saued They that be not from the beginning of the worlde wrytten in the boke of life therefore do worshyp the beast can not be saued but the reprobate are not wrytten in the boke of life from the beginning of the world and therfore do worship the beast whose names saithe he Re. xvii are not wrytten in the boke of life It followeth then that the reprobate can not be saued They that are made to this end that they shoulde pearyshe can not be saued but the false Prophets Pro. xvi other reprobate are made to thys end that they should pearish God saith the wise man hath created al thinges for him self and the vngodly against the euil day i. Pet. ii or agaynste the day of punishment Againe he is the stone to stumble at and the rock of offence euen to them which stumble at the word being disobedient vnto the whiche thinge they were euen ordeined Therfore the false prophets and other reprobate can not be saued They that sinne against the holy ghost can not be saued Mat. xii Mar. but the scribes and Pharises and other reprobate do sin haue synned and shall sin against the holy ghost Therefore they can not be saued August de predestinati sanctorum li. Capi. viii WHen the gospel is preached some beleue and some do not beleue But they that beleue whiles the Preacher preacheth outwardly do heare and learne of the father inwardlye Whereas they that beleue not doe heare outwardlye but they do neither heare nor learne inwardlye That is to saye Ihon. vi to them it is geuen that they beleue but to theese it is not geuen For no man saithe he commeth vnto me excepte the father that hath sent me doth drawe hym Whych thing is spoken more plainely afterwardes Iesus saith the Euangelist knew from the begynnynge who they were that dyd not beleue and who shoulde betray hym

A FRVTEFVL treatise of Predestination and of the deuyne prouidence of god as far forth as the holy scriptures and word of god shal lead vs and an answer made to all the vain and blasphemous obiections that the Epicures and Anabaptistes of our time canne make ¶ Set forth Dialoge wise by Ihon Veron To the most Godlye vertuous and mighty Princesse Elizabeth by the grace of God Quene of England Fraunce and Irelande defendor of the faith and supreme gouernor of this realme aswell in causes Ecclesiastical as temporal her humble subiect Ihon Veron wysheth grace long life and encrease of honour from God the father through hys sonne Iesu Christe our Lord. SOm peraduēter mooste myghtie princes wil meruail and wonder that I beyng but a pore strāger dwellinge here wythin your graces dominion dare be so bold to dedicate any maner of booke vnto your maiestye beynge so seriously occupied in the waighty affayres of the common weale and also so earnestlye geuen that to the greate comforte of all youre louinge subiectes that heare of it to the study of deuine letters and diligent reading of the godlye and learned workes of the auncyente fathers of the primitiue churche But they shall I truste cease from meruailing when they shall both call to remembraunce thys saying of Paul there is neyther Iewe nor Grecian ther is nether bond nor free Gala. iii. there is nether man nor womanne For ye are all one in CHRIST IESUS and also when they shall sette before theyr eyes the exceadynge greate Clemency and Princelye goodnesse that your grace is most richly endued withall Whyche onlye at thys presente haue so comforted mee that puttinge all vaine feare a syde I dare nowe wyth all due submyssyon and subiecte lyke reuerence offer thys my rude laboure vnto youre soueraygne Maiestye not doubtinge but that youre Grace wyll accordynge to youre wonte and accustomed bountuousnesse accept this my good wil that I beare both to your person and also to the faithfull congregation of Gods people For whose sake I haue at thys time enterprised and taken in hand to wryte and setforthe thys small treatyse of Predestination and of the deuine prouidence of God to this end that I might enarm and fence the true churche of God againste the pestiferous sect of the fre wil men of oure time Why the free wyll men are enemies vnto the doctine of Predestination which are for non other cause enemies vnto the most comfortable doctrine of Predestination which is plainlye inough if men wil haue eyes to see setforth vnto vs in the infallible worde of God and sacred scriptures conteined in the canonicall bokes of the old and new Testament but because that they wyll haue part of our saluation to be attributed vnto oure selues to the merites of oure owne workes and not the hole glorye thereof to be geuen vnto Christ and vnto the merites only of his death passion and bloudshedding Suche hathe bene alwayes the subtyl and crafty wilynesse of that most ancient serpente who deceyued in times past oure fyrste Parentes Adam and Eue for to make vs before the deuine maiestye of God rancke sacriledges I mene traitors robbers of Gods glory For whatsoeuer of our saluation we doe adscribe eyther vnto our selues or vnto our owne merites and deseruyngs the same we do most sacrilegiously plucke take away frō the gratuite and mere mercye of god from the merits of the death passion bludsheding of his son Iesu christ our lord sauior I do here let passe that by thimpugnyng of this doctrin sathan the deuil goeth about as much as in him lieth to ouerthrow the infalliblenesse By what meanes we are certifed of oure election and certainty of our election wherof we be certified by the preaching of Gods word by thinward workyng of the holy ghoste and also by iustification which we do obtain frely by faith in the only begotten son of god For take away the right vnderstāding of the matter of predestination the assurance of our saluatiō which springeth of the fre electiō of god wherby we are chosen in Christ Iesu afore the foūdacions of the world wer laid is clean ouerthrowne Ephe. i. the whole doctrine of iustification by faith as builded vp on a sandy grounde is moste easy to be blowne downe by the daungerous blaste of the wicked temptation of the spirit of mistrust misbeleue or of wauering doubtfulnes I know most gracius princes that I shal haue many ennemies for wrytīg of this work but I wil desire thē all in the bowels of our sauioure Iesu Christ that they will vouchsafe to read the whole tretise through with patiēce sobriety and iudgemēt and then I do not dout but that their āger will be pacified their mindes satisfied if at least thei be so reasonable that eyther the scriptures or the authorities of the ancient fathers can in any wise satisfy them And as for those Obiectiō that do obiect that this doctrin of predestinatiō doth hinder the preaching of gods word causeth that it cānot profit Aunswer August de bono perseuerantia cap. xiiii I wil answer them by s Augustine who wryteth on this manner As though this doctrin had hindred the Apostle s Paule to do his duetye who so often times did commend vnto vs and teache the doctrine of Predestination yet neuer ceased to preache the worde of god Againe As he that hath receiued the gift cā better exhort preache so he that hathe receiued the gyfte doth hear the preacher more obediently and with greater reuerence And a little after we do therfore exhort preache but they onli which haue eares to hear do hear vs quietly or obediently to theyr owne comforte and in those that haue them not thys sentence is fulfilled that hearing with their eares they do not hear for they hear wyth the sēce of the body but not with the consent of the hart Now that some haue eares to hear some haue not it is because that it is geuen of the father to some of them to come vnto the sonne and to thother not geuen Rom. xi Who knewe the meaninge of God or who was a counsell with him What mā art thou that doste aunswer God Rom. ix Muste that be denyed whych is plaine because that can not be knowne whych is hidden and secreat And in a other place I pray you saith this holy father if som vnder the shadow of predestination Augu. de bono per se ca. xv geue them selues to slouthful negligence and as they are bent to flater their own flesh so followe their owne lustes must we therfore iudge that this which is wrytten of the foreknowledge of god is fals Now surely this is very hansome and to the purpose that we shal not speake that whiche by the scripture is lawful to speake But we feare wyll some say least he shuld be offēded which is not able to