if it may please him so to provide by Parleament may giue remedie vnto complaynants by writts out of the Chancerie and that complaints in such cases may effectuallie be redressed vpon such writts in the Kings Courts And if also sundrie matters of Tythes Testaments and Mariages be alreadie handled in the Kinges Courts if these things I say be so and so may be then with litle reason did the Admonitor warne vs that a verie great alteration of the common law must follow and that it will be no small matter to applie these things to the temporall law But the antecedent is true as hath bene alreadie shewed Therefore the consequent is true Admonition Iudgementes also of adulterie slauÌ„der c. are in these mens iudgmentes Pag. 78. mere temporall and therefore to be dealt in by the temporall Magistrate onely Assertion We are in deed of this iudgemeÌ„t that in regard of the Kinges Royall Office these iudgements of adultrie and other criminall causes comprised within this clause c. ought no more to be exempted from the Kings temporall Courtes then matters of theft murther treason and such like ought to be And for the mayntenance of our iudgementes wee affirme that there is no crime or offeÌ„ce of what nature or qualitie soever respecting any commaundement conteyned within either of the two tables of the holie law of God if the same bee nowe corrigible by spirituall power but that some fault and contempt one or other of the like nature and qualitie as comprised vnder the same commandement hath bene evermore and is now punishable by the Kings Regall and temporal iurisdiction For adulterie as the same is to be censured by penance in the Ecclesiasticall Courtes so is ravishment also buggerie sodomie to be punished in the Kings Court by payne of death And as hath bene accustomed that Ordinaries by ceÌ„sures of the Church may correct fornicators so fornication also as in some bookes written of the common lawe is reported hath bene in times passed presented and punished in leetes and Law-dayes in divers places of the Realme by the name of Letherwhyte whiche is as the booke saieth an auncient Saxon terme And the Lord of the Leete where it hath bene presented hath euer had a fyne for the same offence By the statute of those that be borne beyond the Seas 25. Ed 3. it appeareth that the Kinge hath cognizance of fome bastardie And nowe in most cases of bastardie if not in all by the statute of Eliza. the reputed father of a bastard borne is lyable to bee punished at the discretion of the Iustices of peace Touching periurie if a man loose his action by a false verdict in plea of land Periurie if punishable temporallie in some cases why not in all he shall haue an attaynt in the Kinges Court to punish the periurie and to reforme the falsitie And by divers statutes it appeareth that the Kings teÌ„porall Officers may punish periurie committed in the Kings teÌ„poral Courtes And though it be true that such periurie as hath risen vpon causes reputed spirituall haue bene in times past punished onlie by ecclesiasticall power and censures of the Church yet herevpon it followeth not that the periurie it selfe is a meere spirituall and not a temporall crime or matter or that the same might not to be civillie punished By a statute of Westminster 25. Ed. 3. it was accorded that the King his Vsurie heyres shall have the cognizance of the vsurers dead and that the Ordinaries haue cognizance of vsurers on lyfe to make compulsion by censures of the Church for sinne and to make restitution of the vsuries taken against the lawes of holy church And by another statute it is provided that vsuries shall 20. H. 3. c. 5. not turne against any being within age after the time of the death of his Auncestoure vntill his full age But the vsurie with the principall debt which was before the death of his Auncestor did remayne and turne against the heyre And because all vsurie being forbidden by the law of God is sinne detestable 13. Eliz. c. 8. it was enacted that all vsurie lone and forbearing of money c. giving dayes c. shall be punished according to the forme of that Act. And that everie such offendor shal also be punished corrected according to the Eccle. lawes before that tyme made against vsurie By al which statutes it seemeth that the cognizance reformatioÌ„ of vsurie by the lawes of the Realm partayneth onlie to the Kinge vnles the King by his lawe permit the Church to correct the same by the censures of the church as a sinne committed against the holy law of God Touching heresies and schismes albeit the Bishoppes by their Episcopall Heresies schismes are punishable by the Kings lawes and ordinarie spirituall power grouÌ„ded vpon canon lawe or an evill custome have vsed by definitive senteÌ„ce pronouÌ„ced in their Consistories to condemne men for heretickes and schismatickes and afterward being condemned to deliver them to the seculer power to suffer the paynes of death as though the King being custos vtriusque tabulae had not power by his Kinglie office to enquire of heresie to condemne an hereticke to put him to death vnlesse he were first condemned delivered into his hands by their spirituall power although this hath bene I say the vse in England yet by the statutes of Richard the second Henrie the fift it was lawfull for the Kings Iudges and Iustices to enquire of heresies and Lollardes in Leetes Sherifes turnes and in Lawdayes and also in Sessions of the peace Yea the King by the common law of the Realme revived 25. H. 5. c. 14. by an Act of Parleament which before by the Statute of Henrie the fourth was altered may pardon a man condemned for heresie yea and if it should come to passe that any heresies or schismes should arise in the Church of Englande the Kinge by the lawes of the Realme and by his Supreame Soveraigne power with his Parleament may correct redresse and reforme all such defaultes and enormities Yea further the King and his Parleament with consent of the Cleargie in their Convocation 1. Eliz. ca. 〈◊〉 hath power to determine what is heresie and what is not heresie If then it might please the King to haue it enacted by Parleament that they which opiniativelie and obstinatelie hold defende 1 Eliz 〈◊〉 1. and publish any opinions which according to an Act of Parleament alreadie made haue bene or may bee ordered or adiudged to be heresies should be heretickes and felons and their heresies If it please the Kinge heretickes may bee adiudged felons and hereâ—ies felonies to be felonies and that the same heretickes and felons for the same their heresies and felonies beeing araigned convicted and adiudged by the course of the common law as other felons are should for the same their heresies felonies suffer the paynes of death
holy Gospell harboured onely by the Queene the Lords temporall and commons what more playne euidence or better proofe can there be that the Lords spiritual by any necessitie be neither principalls nor accessaries neither branches nor buddes neither hanginges nor sealings nor anie furniture for the house of Parleament And of this opinioÌ„ are the soundest Historians and sincerest Divines of our age In the fifteenth yeere of King Edward Act. Mo. fol. 320. the third saieth Maister Fox divers petitions being put vppe in Parleament against provisions comming from Rome the Kinges answere and agreement was made in forme following viz It is agreed by the Kinge Earles Barons Iustices other wise men of the Realme That the petitions aforesaid be made in sufficient forme of law Where it is to be noted saith he that at the graunt hereof the consent of the Bishoppes is neither named nor expressed with the Lords of Parleament and yet the Parleament standeth in his full force notwithstanding At an other Parleament saith he William Wicham Bishoppe of Winchester Act. Mo. 525. for a slaunderous report savouring of a contumelious lye and proceeding of a subtile zeale meaning falsehoode was so by the Duke of Lancaster pursued that by act of Parleament hee was condemned and depriued of all his temporall goods And this seemeth to haue bin done saith Maister Fox without assent and against the willes of the Lords spirituall for afterwarde at an other Parleament great sute was made by the Cleargie for deliverance of the said Bishoppe and being asked a subsidie in the Kings behalfe with great lamentation they complayned for lacke of their fellow and brother of Winchester and denied to ioyne them selves in anie tractation of anie such matter And in another ParleameÌ„t holden at Yorke in the sixt yeere of King Edward the third all Act. Mo. 519. such lawes as then passed and were coÌ„cluded by the King Barons and Commons were good notwithstandinge the absence or malice of the Lordes spirituall For it is recorded saith he that onlie the Archb. of Yorke the Bishoppe of Lincolne and the Abbottes of Yorke Silby were there present In a booke intituled the burninge of Paules church in London 1561. and in the fift question moved by a papist it is said that this maner of ministration of Sacramentes set foorth in the booke of coÌ„moÌ„ prayers was neuer allowed nor agreed vpon c. no not by the Clergie of Englande at the last Parleament but onlie it was agreed vpon by the Laitie which had nothing a doe with spirituall matters or causes of religion Wherevnto the Reverend Father Maister Pilkington M. PilkingtoÌ„ Bishop of Duresme Bishop of Duresme aunswering was there not saith he a disputation for Religion appointed by the Queenes Maiestie wherein your Clergie was affraid to vtter their foolishnes in defending their superstition least they had taken more shame in answering theÌ„ they did in holding their peace I thinke the Vniversities with so manie places of the Realm receiving religion these other disputing for it may be counted to bee some part of the Clergie of the Realme And so it was not receyued without consent of the Clergie But these were not of the Parleament What then But as Ioash Iosaphat Ezekias and Iosias did not make a new religion but restored that which was defaced had long lien buried so our Parleament did not set forth a new religion but restore that which was godlie begane vnder the good King Edward confirmed by the Parleament and Clergie then c. But nothing can be concluded as a lawe by Parleament say they without consent of the Clergie there present But this havinge not their consent can not be counted a law as they thinke I had rather saith Maister Pilkington leaue this to bee aunswered by the Lawiers then otherwise Yet that the world may see that some thing may be saide in it we graunt him not this to be true that no law at all can be made without consent of Bishoppes Looke your old statutes of Parleament when Bb. were highest afore Edward the third and yee shall reade that they passed by the consent of the Lords temporall and commons without any mencion of the Lords spirituall which statutes many of them stand in strenght at this day Then it may well be gathered that the consent of the Clergy was not alwayes so necessarie as they thinke it The Lawyers Iudges and Iusticeâ—s put in practise execute these lawes therfore their doinges may bee a sufficient reason to lead the vnlearned what opinion they haue of these statutes For Religion except Iustice Raftall first executing that and afterward runing away may condemne the rest which I trust he may not I thinke they would not execute them except they had the strength and nature of lawes If they doe contrarie to their knowledge and opinion they can not bee able to answere their doings but I thinke no wise men are of this opinion Only these corner creepers that dare not shew their face and would deceyue the people goe about to deface all good godly order that displeases them In the dayes of King Edward they had the like fonde opinion that the Kinge could not make lawes in his minoritie vntill he came vnto full age and to make the people to disobey their Prince Hetherto Maister Pilkington Lorde Bishop of Duresme with whom the most worthy learned Maister Iewell late Bishop of Salisburie M. Iewel B. of Salisbury agreeth in every point The wise and learned saith he could haue told you that in the Parleaments of England matters haue evermore vsed to passe not of necessitie by the speciall consent of the Archbishops Bishops as if without them no statute might lawfully be enacted but onely by the more part of voyces yea although the Archb. Bishops were neuer so earnestly bent against it And statutes so passing in Parleaments onely by the voyces of the Lords temporall without the consent and agreement of the Lordes spirituall haue nevertheles bin alwayes coÌ„firmed and ratified by the Royall assent of the Prince and haue bene enacted and published vnder the names of the Lordes spirituall and temporall Read saith he the statutes of K Edward the first there shall ye find that in a ParliameÌ„t holden at St Edmondsbury the Archbishops Bishops were quite shut foorth and yet the Parleament held on and good and profitable lawes were there enacted the departing or absence or malice of the Bishops spirituall notwithstanding In the recordes thereof it is written thus Habito Rex cum suis Baronibus Parliamento Clero excluso statutum est The King keeping a Parleament with his Barons the Clergie that is to say the Archbishops and Bishops beeing shut foorth it was enacted c. In provisione de matrona in the time of King Edward the third whereas matter was moved of bastardy touching the legitimation of bastards borne before mariage the statute passed wholy with
subversion vpō any nation that purely and soundly in place therof hath embraced the holy Sacrament of the Lords Supper It seemeth also to be equal for many ages past that the Bishop of Rome might haue supreame and absolute power over all persons states and causes not only in Rome Italy Spaigne Germany other forraigne Kingdoms but also in England and Scotland But as yet to the view of al the world it hath not proved perilous for the King Queen of England and Scotland to establish new lawes for the alteration of that ancient abuse And why hath it not bene dangerous so to do Why forsooth because there was evident vtilitie in doing of it But how could an evident vtilitie appeare before it was done How Forsooth because the holy law of God had warranted an alteration For faith having eyes to see the wisedom the power and the trueth of God in his word discerned a far of that the institution of the Lords Supper was long before the sacrifice of the masse And therefore our Kings by abandoning popery out of the Realme did not institute any new religion but onely they restored the old Now then if the same holy lawe of God doe condemne the choyce and thrusting of a Pastour vpon the people by one man alone and againe if the same lawe doe impugne the primacie of one Pastour over all Pastours as wel in a Diocesse or Province as in the whole West part of Christendome what daunger can it be not to disfrāchise the one sithence without any maner of danger we haue abolished the other or what perill can it be not to countenance the sonnes sithence without peril we haue discountenanced the father Especially seeing in this place of the admonition we haue a playne cōfession that the common maner of election of Pastors Elders and Deacons in the old Churches was made by the people For if the examples of schisme discord Common manner of elections in the olde churches was by the people contention did commonly appeare in the olde churches while that maner of election did continue then by his owne mouth that maner of election was common and did continue in the olde churches Besides this inconvenience saith he caused Princes Bishops so much to entermedle in this matter From whence it necessarily againe followeth that by the holy Scriptures and law of God Princes and Bishops did not entermedle with that matter at all For had it bin simply lawful for thē to haue Bb. medle not with election of Pastours by the holie Scriptures dealt in those causes by the worde of God thē as well before schisme discord and dissention as afterward yea rather much more before then afterward For then by their own right might Princes and Bishops haue prevented all occasion of schisme and contention and haue so preserved the Church that no tumult or disorder should once haue bin raysed or begun therein Againe if by the lawe of God Princes Bishops had medled in these matters and had not entermedled by humane devise then lawfully by their authoritie alone might they haue chosen Pastours Elders and Deacons in the olde Churches which thing in this place by necessarie inference he denieth For schisme saith he caused thē to entermedle So as by his confession they were but entermedlers and entercommoners by reason of schisme not cōmoners and medlers by vertue of Gods word And yet now a dayes our reverend Bishops in this case are no more entercommoners with Princes and with the people they are no more entermedlers as in olde times they were but they haue now so farre encroched vpon the prerogatiues of the Prince and privileges of the people that neither Prince Bishops encroch vpon the right of prince and people nor people haue any commons in the election of Pastours Elders Deacons with them at all Besides if schisme and contention among the people were the reason why Bishops first entermedled in the choise of Pastours we now having no schisme nor contention about the choise of Pastours by the people and so the cause ceasing why should not the effect likewise cease But this effect is therefore still to be continued because otherwise the cause would a new sprout out and spring vp againe Nay rather inasmuch as for these many yeares we haue had schisme discord dissention because the Bishops wholy and altogether haue medled in the choise of Pastours and haue thrust vpon the people whatsoever Pastours please not the people but pleased themselves haue not suffered the people to medle no not so much as once to entermedle in these matters in as much I say as these things be so it seemeth most expediēt requisite necessarie for the appeasing pacifying of this discord the taking away of this schisme to haue that maner of election which was in the old Churches restored to the people and this wherein the Bishops haue entermedled without authoritie from the worde to be abolished that so againe the cause of schisme and strife which is now among vs ceasing the effect might likewise cease After I had ended this tract in this maner touching this poynt there came into mine handes a booke intituled The perpetuall gouernment of Christes church written by Thomas Bilson Warden of Winchester Colledge in the fifteenth chapter of which booke is handled this question viz to whom the election of Bishoppes and Presbiters doth rightlie belong and whether by Gods lawe the people must elect their Pastours or no. In whiche Chapter also the matter of schisme strife and contention is handled The finall scope and conclusion whereof is as the proposition importeth two fold First cōcerning Bishops then concerning Pastours The quarell taken against Bishoppes doth not so much touch sayth he the office and functions of Bishoppes as it doth the Princes prerogatiue When you rather thinke the Prince may not name her Bishoppes without the consent and election of the people you impugne nor vs but directlie call the Princes fact and her lawes in question As touching this poynt of the proposition because the people by any lawe or custome never chalenged anie right or interest in the choyse of the Kings Bishoppes we haue nothing to medle or to make about the choyse of any of his Kinglie Bishoppes The Kinge only hath power without the people to nominate his Kingly Bb. Nay we confesse as his Highnes progenitours Kings of England haue bin the Soveraigne Donours Founders Lords and Avowes of all the Bishoprickes in England without ayd of the people that so likewise it is a right and interest invested into his Imperiall Crowne that he onely his heyres successours without cōsent of the people ought to haue the free nomination appointment collation investiture and confirmation of all Bishoppes frō time to time to be placed in anie of those Bishoprickes yea we say further that the King alone hath not power onely to nominate collate confirme but also to
insinuate your selves into their companies you have tabled and boorded with the same parties and that you or one of you have bene heeretofore coÌ„vented for the causes aforesaid before the now lord Archb. his grace for enterteyning into your house a person whiche stood then and yet standed suspended deprived for disliking the booke of common prayer and other godly orders established by her Maiesties authoritie in this Realme Item we obiect vnto you the said G. B. and L. yourwife that you have not frequented divine service celebrated within your parish Church of Bothese vi 5. 4. 3. 2. or one yeares last nor doe not at this present at least every Sunday nor have receyved the holy Communion within your said parish Church during the saide yeares Quere whether the Bishop did not more offend the lawe of God by preferring these articles then the Gentleman did by procuring his children to bee Baptised by a preaching Minister having none at home Item that you the saide G. B. and L. your wife within the time aforesaid haue not Christened nor baptized your children within your parish Church but contrarie to the forme and order of hir Maiesties lawes in that case provided have eyther christened them at home privatelie in your owne house or have caried or caused them to be caried to other Churches And let them declare what Church and what Minister did baptise them and where and whether the same Minister did at the same baptisme signe the childe with the signe of the crosse and lett them declare the cause why they did baptize their children out of their parish Item that the Ministers pew or seate in the church of B. aforesaid by the directioÌ„ Note that the Bishop of L. was not Bishop of the Diocesse of the L. reverend Father in God the Bb. of L. that now is being at the same Church as also by the consent of the Minister and Church-Wardens there was placed in a verie convenient place of the Church to the end the parishioners there might the better heare and vnderstand the Minister at the time of reading the divine service Item we obiect vnto you that you the said F. B. within these vi or 3. monethes last past have without anie sufficient warrant or commaundement from the father in God the Lord Bishoppe of L. or his Chancelour or other having authoritie therein very disorderly and contemptuouslie remooved the same seat to the great offence of the parishioners and bad example of others Item we obiect vnto you that you know beleeue or have heard say that Za. G. is a Preacher of the word of God and a man of good life and conversation lawfull Parson of B. aforesaid Item we obiect vnto you that the premises notwithstanding you the said F. B. vpon a Sunday within a quarter of a yeare last past when the Parishioners of B. were assembled together at the saide Church to heare divine seruice caused divers serving men and others to sit in the pew or place which properly belonged to the Parson of the said Church so that when the saide M. G. came to take his place they thrust him and very disorderlie in the time of prayer kept him out of the said place Item wee obiect vnto you F. B. that about six yeares past you the saide F. brought into the Towne of B. a bastard child as it is credibly thought of your owne and there placed it at nurse and haue lately receyved it into your owne house to the great offence of the inhabitantes there and the bad example of others Et obijcimê° cu m duê° de quolibet Subscribed c. Wherevnto in the foote of these articles was added Maister B. I pray you let this matter be followed ex officio and the parties presently to be sent for by warrant Subscribed c. Now these Gentlemen according to the Bishoppes direction being presently sent for by a Pursevant to aunswere the articles obiected they foorthwith make their repayre to the Archbishop with a copie of the articles with whom they finde such grace as in their behalfe immediatly hee writeth to the Bishoppe as followeth SAlutem in Christo My very good Lorde I haue by meanes received these articles enclosed signed by your Lordsh hand and can not but greatly merveyle that contrary to the orders of the commission Court subscribed by your selfe the rest of the CoÌ„missioners you would cause a Gentleman of such a qualitie as Maister B. is to be sent for by a Pursevant before the ordinarie processe of a letter missiue Note that the signe of the crosse in Baptisme by an Archb. opinion is but of smal moment that suspicion of bastardie may easilie be dismissed were served vpon him especially for matters of so small moment Neither will it bee thought to proceede of any iust cause but rather of some other misconceyte when it shal be vnderstood that there is a controversie in lawe elsewhere depending betwene him and a kinsman of yours And therefore for the avoyding of his further complaint and other offence that may grow thereby I heartely pray your Lordship to suppresse the same and proceed no further therein Desiring you withall to haue due consideration of the cause least I be enforced to deale likewise in the defence of my kinsman as you doe for yours And so praying your Lo. Note that the 17. of Octo. was the Saboth day at what time the Archb. D. C. and D. B. sitting as Commissioners thâ— Archb. took pen inke and crossed the articles all overthwart and so sent them backe with this letter to returne vnto me aunswere herevnto what you meane to doe with my very heartie commendacions I commit you to the tuition of Almightie God FroÌ„ c. the 17. of Octo. c. Subscri c Vnto which letter also was added as followeth Maister B. I pray you according to the tenor of this letter to see that this cause of M. G. and F. B. bee dismissed from thence and if any be bouÌ„d to prosecute the cause against them let them vnderstand that I meane to heare it at c. otherwise let it wholie be dismissed and the bandes delivered The Bishoppes aunswere to the Archbishops former letters MAy it please your grace to vnderstand that I was the more willingly drawen to sende for Ma. B. in that sort because he was oft and of long time accused not only to be a disordered man him selfe but also a great and open mainteyner and carier from place to place of that wrangling puritane W. And as it is to bee prooued a refrainer from his church and from the CoÌ„munion as I am enformed And therefore if we haue omitted any circumstance or ceremonie it is in zeale of the redresse of such a disordered person Which if it should be fouÌ„d in your own brother I thinke your grace would not spare him Neuerthelesse if you yourselfe take it in hand to his redresse I for my part
the ordinaries in every Parish for the better retayning of the people in obedience vnto divine service In everie Parish saith the Iniunction three or foure discrete men which tender Gods glorie and his true religion shall be appointed by the ordinaries diligentlie to see that all the parishioners duelie resort vnto their Church vpon all Sundayes and holie dayes and there to continue the whole time of the godlie service And all such as shall be negligent in resorting to the Church having no great or vrgent cause of absence they shall streightlie call vpon them and after due admonition if they ameÌ„d not they shall denounce them to the ordinarie Thus far the iniuction Which that it is not meant of the Church Wardens appeareth by the verie next article for vnto them as is assigned an other name so also another Office That sidemen also are not these kinde of overseers is playne in that they be neither so manie in number as are here required neither chosen by the ordinaries neither yet do they admonish denounce according to this article Wherefore because it is meete that the effect of this Iniunction being religious should bee put in due execution it seemeth a thing verie reasonable and much tending to the honour of the King that his Highnes vnder his letters patents would bee pleased to appoint three foure or more discrete and faithfull persons in everie Parish not onely to performe the effect of this article but also generallie to oversee the life and maners of the people that without great vrgent causes they resorte not vnto Typling-houses or houses of evill note and suspected fame and that vpon the Sabboths they vse no Heathnish dauncing about their disguised May-poles And after due admonition if they amend not to denouÌ„ce them to the Pastor of the place For then might the Pastor be encouraged to giue Book of the forme of ordeining Priestes his faithfull diligence as at the time of his ordination hee solemlie promiseth vnto the Bishop alwayes to Minister the Doctrine and Sacramentes and Discipline of Christ as the Lorde hath commanded by which words inserted in the booke there is a plaine and open confession made by al estates in Parleament that Christe hath not onely established Everie Minister ought to minister the discipline of Christ in his own cure by consent of parleament discipline but a certaine forme of discipline in his Church and that the Pastor to whom the care and charge is committed to teach the people ought to minister the same discipline For it had bene a verie absurd parte for the Parleament to appoint the Bishop to receaue a promise from the Minister to minister the discipline of Christ if Christ had not instituted a Discipline or that the same discipline which he instituted had not in their iudgements belonged vnto the Minister And therefore this verie letter of the booke coÌ„vinceth the whole answere made vnto the abstract touching this point to be verie erroneous frivolous and impertinent to the point in question For whereas in the abstract it is alleaged that the Bishop by vertue of The Minister by promise bindeth himselfe to Minister the discipline of Christ the order and forme appointed by acte of Parleament bindeth the Minister aswell to minister the discipline of Christ within his cure as the doctrine and Sacramentes of Christ as the Lorde hath commaunded c. herevnto first he answereth that these clauses do not dispositively Pag. 55. Pag. 60. ordaine any thing for discipline as though the lawe ment by authoritie hereof to establish that the order in these thinges by the Realme receaved should be holden as agreeablie to the word of God but must be taken enunciatively to declare and affirme that following the order by law established they should doe agreeable to Gods will But alas what repugnancie is there heard for howe Regugnance in the aunswere to the abstract can the law declare and affirme that the Ministers following the order by lawe established shall doe agreeablie to Gods will if the order in these thinges by the Realm receaved should not by the meaning of the law bee holden as agreeable to the word of God What doth the law meane that a man can doe agreeably to Gods will in any thing whiche is not agreeable to his word or if the law haue established an order in the discipline which is not agreeable to Godes worde shall the Ministers do agreeably to Gods will if they follow the Lawe For the meaning of the law is plaine viz. that the Minister by vertue of his promise made to the Bishop shall be no further bound to minister any Doctrine Sacramentes or Discipline receaved by the Realme vnlesse the Realme haue receaved the same according to the coÌ„mandment of God For the ParleameÌ„t having a religious consideration that the Minister of Christ must not haue so much respect what the lawe of the Realme as what the law of God commaÌ„deth carefully provided for his indemnitie in this behalfe Besides what a friuolous comment hath hee made vpon the wordes of the A frivolous comment vppon the wordes of the booâ—e of ordeining Priestes c. booke when he sayth that these wordes of the Bishopp doe not dispositiuely ordeyne any thing for discipline When as the question is not whether the Bb. words but whether the lawe and booke dispose any thing for discipline For the Bishop being but a servaÌ„t to the booke and to the lawe and one vnto whose fidelitie the execution of the law booke is committed though he doe not by his wordes dispose any thing of Discipline yet by his demaunde hee sheweth vnto the Minister that the office of the Ministration of discipline within his cure charge is committed vnto him that by his ordination his person is fully inabled aswell to minister the Discipline as to preach the doctrine of Christ And herevpon also falleth to the ground his other answere as wholie impertinent to the point in questioÌ„ For where he saith that the Lawe meant not by authoritie hereof to establish that the order of these things by the Realme receaved should be holden as agreeable to the worde of God this I saye seemeth wholie to bee impertinent to the purpose of the abstract For there is no such thing insinuated The answer to the abstract wholie impertinent to the point in question to be intended by the statute onely the scope of the Authours drift in that place seemeth to be this viz. That everie Minister by vertue of his promise enioyned by act of Parleament to be made by him and by the office of ministerie taken vpon him at the time of his ordination hath bound him selfe to minister the doctrine sacramentes and discipline of Christ as the Lord hath commaunded And what then if the Lawe The not disposing in perticularitie all rites ceremonies of discipline doeth not hinder the exercise of discipline by the Minister haue not
then what force is my Lo. of Ca. iudgement who supposeth it vnlawfull for the Church to excommunicate a Prince to bee against him selfe for in the 137. page he telleth vs that happely it may be a fault yea a great fault that is found with the Bishops in these dayes that they doe not excommunicate the Prince and Rulers and so constraine them to doe that which by perswasion they will not doe If then excommunication bee so terrible to Princes and Rulers howe should it bee of so light accompt with subiects And if it bee so powerfull as it can constraine Princes and Rulers to do their duties how much more fearefull would it be to compell inferiours and men of low estate to liue soberly in their vocations I will not here debate the matter touching the excommunication of Princes Rulers much lesse touching the excommunication of the Prince and Rulers of our lande But I would gladly bee informed what they were or who they be that found great fault with the Bishoppes in these dayes for not endeavouring to excoÌ„municate the Prince and Governours The Papists they thinke it sufficient that the Prince and Governours be excommunicated by the Pope his Clergie The Ministers and people professing the Gospell and seeking for reformation of excommunication deny the Bishops to haue any divine power granted by the word of God to excommunicate a private man much lesse doe they thinke it lawful for them to excommunicate the Prince and Rulers Who then I say find fault with the Bishoppes that they doe not excommunicate the Prince and Governours and so constraine them to doe that which by perswasion they will not do For my part I caÌ„ not guesse whom he should meane vnlesse he ment to giue vs to vnderstand that some Prelatists haue consulted about the excommunicating both Prince Governors for not making sharper lawes against such as whom the Prelates and their favourits haue falsly slaundered to be pestilent fellowes movers of sedition enemies to Caesar troublers and subverters Act. 24 5. Act 1. 16. 20. 17. 6. of the state puritanes and I whot nâ—t what chiefe mainteyners of the sect of the disciplinarians vnlesse I say hee should minde some such Prelatists I can not guesse any subiects within the land to be so vndutifull as to find fault with the Bishops for not attempting to bring our late Soveraigne Ladie the Queene deceased to theit excoÌ„munication And therefore to enforme the people of an Author and not to bring him foorth it argueth breadeth great suspicion that the enformer was the author himselfe Touching the loosenesse of some or of all in these dayes that are without the ExcommunicatioÌ„ toucheth them only which make professâ—on to be of the church Church if hee intend that they require discipline of sharper lawes by punishment of body and losse of goodes then excommunication and that they will more feare that maner of punishment I hold and affirme therein as he holdeth and affirmeth and yet I say that to the matter in question he hath fitted no other answer then as if he had answered a poke full of plummes or a buchet ful of peares for the controversie is not concerning those that are without but concerning those that are within not touching those that are not of the house-hold but touching them that are of the house-hold of faith and of God As for the first sort of which people the reverend Bishoppes with good leaue may procure what sharpe punishment they can devise for by the Church excommunicated they should never bee For how should any be thrust from the communion of the Church who neuer were in communion with the Church But it is to be feared that this sharpnes of punishment is not vrged so much to be inflicted vpon them that are without as vpon them that are within the bosome of the Church For though such as be without did a long time scorne sett naught by the sworde of excommunication whiche was not onely drawne out by the Chauncelours Commissaries and Officialls for every crust of bread and for every piece of bacon but also which was agayne put vpp for everie cracked grote and for everie Irish harper the reverend Bb. whose freehold by such coÌ„tempt was not touched were pacified and contented them selues well ynough by inflicting and releasing that manner of punishment but now for so much as they perceyue the children within the church to beginne seriously and religiouslie to stande against the vse of Lordlie and humane censures for the Crown Scepter of our Savior Christ and that the statelines of Prelacie must be taken one hole lower if the simplicitie of the holy ministerie bee exalted a degree higher they pretend Discipline by excoÌ„munication which is the sword of the sonne and heire of God to be too bluntlie pointed and too badlie edged to foyne or to strike withall Touching that very good manner of Discipline by the Ecclesiasticall commission which he saith hath done and doth daylie much good and would doe more if it were more common the people whom hee admonisheth haue iust cause of being desirous to vnderstande what manner of Discipline it is whiche Not one manner of Discipline vsâ—d by the ecclesiasticall coÌ„missioners is so highlie commended For all men know that the ecclesiastical commissioners vse not in all places and at all times one and the selfe same manner of Discipline For the same Commissioners for the same kinde of offences sometimes suspend sometimes depriue sometimes degrade sometimes excommunicate sometimes fine sometimes imprison sometimes commaund this penance sometimes that Nay sometimes having convented before them graue learned and godly Ministers for crimes supposed This Discipline was practised against maister Cartwhright Fenner Whight L. 〈◊〉 and others to be Ecclesiasticall for the same pretensed Ecclesiastical offences having deteyned them some yeares in durance for refusall of the oath ex officio in the end not having any other supposed iust cause of inflicting any punishment vpoÌ„ them by ecclesiasticall authoritie haue bin forced for a shewe to mainteyne their owne credites to cause accusations to be framed against theÌ„ by the Quenes Attourney in the high Court of Star-chamber as against violators of the dignities of the Royall Crowne whose innocencies by the verie witnesses produced by their meanes on the behalfe of the Queene haue notwithstanding bin fullie cleared from the faultes obiected and the Ministers discharged without any ordinarie punishment vsually infflicted by that Court vppon malefactours Nay further when the Ecclesiasticall Ecclesiastic discipline vsed by the high Commissioners against Ma. Vdall Commissioners had committed Maister Vdall to prison where hee remayned halfe a yeare for refusall of the oath ex officio touchinge his knowledge of the Author of a booke entituled The Demonstration in the end he was deliuered over as a fellon for makinge of the same booke and for the which hee was arayned and convicted and so died in prison
notwithstanding our Soverayno Lord King IAMES the King of Scotland had gratiouslie written for his deliverance And how theÌ„ would the Admonitor haue the people coÌ„tented with such a moderation of Ecclesiasticall discipline as the Ecclesiasticall Commissioners many times vse For did he think that everie manner of discipline vsed by the high Commissioners can not be but a verie good moderation Why then let some of the CoÌ„missioners tell the people whether the Ecclesiasticall commissioners An oath tendered by the Ecclesiastic Commissio vnto M. Vdall in case of fellony vsed a very good moderation manner of Discipline Ecclesiasticall against the same Master Vdall when they tendered vnto him a corporall oath to haue appeached him selfe vpon a matter which was adiudged to be felonie or let them declare what a very good manner of discipline Ecclesiasticall certeyne Ecclesiasticall Commissioners vsed when hauing a Gentleman before them wearing long hayre they constreyned the same Gentleman by force and stronge hande to haue his head notted in their presence The wearing of long hayre by our lawes being not reputed an Ecclesiasticall crime no although the same be worne by attendants vpon the reuerend Bb. wayting on their trenchers Or lett them signifie vnto vs what a good manner of discipline and moderation it was for a Bb. and his associates to make an act in the high commission Court repugnant The Minister authorized to put sacramental bread into the mouth a of communicant to the institution of our Saviour Christ and contrarie to the order appoynted by the booke of common prayer that the Minister should put the sacramentall bread into the mouth of a superstitious communicant and not deliver it into his handes After our heartie commendations sayth the Bb. his associates whereas I. V. one of your charge hath bene often convented before vs her Maiesties Commissioners in causes ecclesiasticall for not receyving the holy Communion it seemeth vnto vs that he hath not of any contemptuous minde refrayned from the same but is willing to receyue it so hath bound him selfe saving that he hath a scruple in his minde by reason of a fond vow or promise he made long agoe wherof he is sorie never to receyue the Sacrament into his hande but to put it into his mouth by the Minister And therefore we pray you to beare a time with his weaknes permit him to receyue it in that sorte vntill by your good counsell and persuasion he may be reduced from that fond scruple And so we bidde you hartely farewell Your louing friends c. And seeing the Admonitor hath opposed a very good maner of Discipline Maister E. excommunicated by the high Commissioners most wherof were lay men by the Ecclesiasticall coÌ„mission against excommunication it seemeth that excommunication in his iudgement is no good or moderate discipline to be vsed by the Ecclesiasticall Commissioners And theÌ„ were it fitt that the people were resolved what a veâ—â— good manner of Discipline Maister D. W. and other Ecclesiasticall Commissioners vsed against Maister E. whom by vertue of the ecclesiasticall commission they excommunicated The tenor of whiche excommunication taken out of the Register at L. followeth In Dei nomine Amen Nos I. W. sacrae theologiae Doctor c. Cancellarius ecclesiae c. M. A. M. Armigeri M. H. civis civitatis c. Commissarij rite legitime procedentes I. E. de B. L. Dioceses ad hos diem locum legitime peremptorie citatum praecognizatum diuque expectatum nullo modo comparentem pronunciavimus coÌ„tumacem in poenam contumaciae suae huiusmodi eum excommunicavimus in hijs scriptis T. Concordat cum Regio Moreover it seemeth not an vnmeete thing that some ecclesiasticall Commissioners did make knowne vnto the people whether banishment be an ecclesiasticall discipline and what moderate discipline Ecclesiasticall the CoÌ„missioners vsed when they banished religious Maister Fullerton the Scott from dwelling at Warwicke or within certeyne myles thereof Or let theÌ„ informe the Realme what a very good moderation was vsed when by the Ecclesiasticall commission Authoritie committed to pursevaÌ„ts by the ecclesiastical commissioners for suppressing of Martines bookes and other bookes of argument against the Hierarchie they authorized drunken swearinge pursevantes to search mens houses to break vp their chestes c. the copie of which their letters is this viz. Whereas the bearer is say they by the Queenes Maiestie especially appointed If the Queene had speciallie commanded this search it is credible that her privie Cosisaylors should haue set to their handes rather theÌ„ the high Commissioners to make search and to apprehend certeyne suspected persons according to such particuler directions as he hath in that behalf receyved these shal be to wil and require and in her Maiesties name streightly to charge and command you and every of you to whom these shall apperteyne to be by all good and possible meanes ayding and assisting to the bearer in the execution of this service by entring into all such houses as hee shall thinke meete and hold suspected as well within libertie as without and that in them every of them to make due and diligent search And to search all manner of writinges letters papers bookes all other things carying note of suspicion sparing no studies chestes cubbards lockes or walles as also to apprehend examine and bring before vs such persons as by her Maiesties said direction therein appointed and wherein if he shall any way require your further assisteÌ„ce you may not fayle to yeeld him the same with al diligence dexteritie according to the trust reposed in you as you will aunswere for your default for the contrarie at your vttermost perill Directed vnto all Mayors Sherifes Iustices of peace and quorum Baylifes Constables Hedboroughes Tythingmen and to all other her Maiesties officers and subiectes c. But beit that all these maneâ—â— of disciplines were moderate and good ecclesiasticall Disciplines more to be vsed yet there may a scruple remayne which were fitt to bee discussed what a very good moderation maner of discipline within our remembrances was vsed betweene an Archbishoppe and a Bishopp both high Commissioners against certeyne Gentlemen one of their wives about these Articles following Articles obiected by her Maiesties high Commissioners for causes Ecclesiasticall against G. B. of B. and F. B. of B. in the Countie of L. INprimis We obiect vnto you G. B. and L. your wife that you haue within these seven yeares and so at this present doe keepe company and vse conference with divers persons disobedient to her Maiesties lawes and such as be suspected to resort and frequent vnlawfull coÌ„venticles Item we obiect vnto you to th' end you Quere whether this coÌ„ventioÌ„ were lawfull for this cause Quere against what law this enterteynment was and whether the Bishop of L. conversing with Popish Priestes and traytors did not more offend might the better