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A12472 The doctrine of praier in generall for all men, that is, vniuersally for all mankind: Proued 1. By the true sence of the words if the Apostle 1. Tim 2. 2. By the reasons, why all men in that since should be praid for. 3. By the doctrine establishing such praier. 4. By the practises of churches, concerning that kind of praier. 5. By the obiections, ansuered. Against the position of those that say and preach, that all men are not to be praid for. By I. Smith, minister of Gods word at Reading. Smith, John, minister at Reading.; Smith, John, 1563-1616. 1595 (1595) STC 22797; ESTC S102599 80,671 127

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that ouercommeth the world is euen our faith by this preaching saluation commeth for in doing this thou shalt both saue thy selfe and them that heare thee And againe Receiue with meeknesse the word which is graffed in you which is able to saue your soules Such is the effect and power of the Gospell and so pleaseth it God to crowne and blesse the labours of men both in preaching and hearing of the word and Gospell So then herein is most comfortable things laid vp for the children of men For wee are made partakers of Christ if we keepe sure vnto the end that beginning wherewith wee are vpholden Otherwise let vs know that herein is iudgement Condemnation also as it is said And this is the Condemn●tion That the light came into the world and m●n loued da●kenesse rather than light because their deedes were ●uill So as there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Iesus so on the other side to them that loue dark●n●sse that delight in sin that walke after the flesh this is their condemnation That the light is come and they haue not receiued nor b●l●eued in the same Lastly because faith is the ground of things hoped for and the euidence of things that are not seene wee shal in this calling and prea●hing of the Gospel behold the end of our f●ith the saluation of our soules For that a crowne of righteousnesse is laid vp for bel●euers For herein is also for them that haue run well Life eternall And this is Life eternal That they know thee to be the onely verie God and whom thou hast sent Iesus Christ This is then an vnderstanding and a knowledge that pass●th all knowledge and therefore wee must endeuour that our conuersation may be as becommeth the Gospell of our Sauiour Christ That in all things wee may be made rich in him in all kind of speech and in all knowledge till we all meete togither in the vnitie of faith and the acknowl●dging of the sonne of God vnto a perfect man and vnto the measure of the age of the fulnesse of Christ which God worke in vs for his great mercies sake To conclude then this point we behold here a briefe collection concerning that wonderfull husbandrie of the Lord our God towards his children in calling of them to repentance Hee inuiteth and calleth in loue The message is a message of peace and loue The ministers with the flocke doe walke and haue their conuersation not by sight but by faith and by loue Yea if any be cast out it is done in loue that his soule may bee saued in the day of the Lord Iesus and not for destruction or confusion In loue we doe good to all men wee pray for all men for loue hopeth all things indureth all things and loue couereth the multitude of sinnes and therefore the rule of the Apostle must be folowed Let all your things be done in loue Then beloued if God so loued vs we ought also to loue one another Concerning this loue the sonne of God giueth this precept Loue your enemies blesse them that curse you doe good to them that hate you pray for them which hurt you and persecute you that ye may bee the children of your Father which is in heauen c. Looke hereupon The commander is Christ the commaundement is to his Church and the end is That they may bee like God and his children which merciful God maketh his Sunne to rise on the euil and on the good The worke commaunded is Loue doing good blessing praier Towards whom towards the rifraffe the scum the off-scouring of the world enemies haters cursers persecuters of God and good men of his Church and his children This Gods Church and his children scattered vpon the face of the earth here and there at the good pleasure of God must doe towardes this sort of people throughout all ages to the end of the world hauing herein no exception of Iewe or Gentile of Christian or Infidel called or not called elect or reprobate and herein to follow the example of the heauenly father Whō shal we thinke amongst these in so many ages in so manie nations amongst so many infidels on the one side and false brethren on the other side without respect without naming without condition amongst enemies haters cursers persecters whom I say shall we thinke The Lord Iesus commaundeth vs to loue to blesse to pray for to doe good vnto amongst all these but vnto the righteous and vnrighteous that is no doubt amongst all these to pray for no small number which still were without and neuer belonged to the election of the Lord. But howsoeuer that matter did stand in the sight of the Lord the Church of the Lord is alway bound to shew her loue and her dutie Whom shall we thinke that Moses prai●d for when he said And now forgiue them their sinne or if thou wilt not wipe me I pray thee out of the booke which thou hast written Surely amongst these were many perillous rebels against Moses and against God How wisheth and praieth the Apostle Saint Paul For I haue wished my selfe to be accursed from Christ for my breethren my kinsmen as pertaining to the flesh which are the Israelites Again Brethren my hearts desire and praier to God for Israel is that they might be saued Surely hereof S. Augustin saith thus Numquid postremò Apostolum Paulum pro Iudaeis infidelibus habentem talia vota culpabis de quibus ●it B●na voluntas quidem cordis mei deprecatio ad Deum pro illis in salutem c. Lastly wilt thou blame the Apostle S. Paul hauing such praiers for the Iewes infidels concerning whom he saith My good will sure from the verie heart and praier to God for them is for their health and saluation Thus these entreat for the whole people without any distinguishing of them wishing themselues estranged from the Lord and accursed So that their people might know the Lord be restored vnto his fauour and worke his will So vnfainedly haue they loued and cared for the people of God and so little haue they esteemed th●mselues so they might further and promote the glorie and kingdome of the Almightie Also we read that Abraham praied for the Sodomits not being warned so to doe any way by the Lord. And Samuel against manifest prohibition praied for Saul The like also we reade of Ieremie that entreated for the citie They were repulsed by God they were not heard What then was their praier ●r●uolous was it superstitious was it not of a good mind was it not of faith If not of faith then of sinne It seemeth hard to condemne these wonderfull pillars and instruments of the Church of God of idle or impertinent praier And therfore I like master Caluins resolution herein who thus speaketh of it Quamuts repulsam pas●i suerint durum tamèn
loue of fruits of righteousnesse might be more thought vpon embraced and followed But howsoeuer it commeth to passe it goeth with vs far otherwise And as a bird may be snared by a little twig that he cannot flie so we in these daies by some inferior matter or question of lesse importance are drawne away from the greater points as Iudgement Mercie Fidelitie and Innocent life That the cleare light of the Gospel in the fruits and actions of righteousnes and true holinesse wherein we should walke all the daies of our life cānot gloriously make shew or shine forth amongst vs. When souldiers haue their charge what exploit to take in hand and now to that purpose march in the face of the enemie from this fierce and resolute minde to be calmed with a toy or withdrawne with a false alarum or stopped by some conceit sodainly happening is an infallible presumption and information that the princes cause is not regarded they themselues are not trained and expert as they ought to be and that each man regardeth neither his own neither yet his brothers life So is it in the militarie profession of a christian knight and souldier The cause we haue in hand is Christs to professe his name to walke in his waies From this if we be caried either by entisement or by ●alse persuasion or by impertinent questions we shew our selues not to regard ●i●her the cause or our b●ethren or the Lord that bought vs. And sure his example who is that worthie captaine and Lion of the tribe of Iuda is worthie the marking and the following who for the ioy that was set before him indur●d the Crosse and despised the shame and is set on the right hand of the throne of God So should we little esteeming the things of lesse importance with constancie fight the good fight of faith and runne with pacience the race that is set before vs looking vnto Iesus the authour and finisher of our faith that we might take hold of euerlasting life in him that liueth and reigneth for euer Amongst other things and points of this sort that trouble many is this one Namely concerning praier for All men And some say we ought to pray for all men and some say we ought not From thence they grow to reason concerning Predestination and Election so of Calling and Reprobation then to discerne this mans wo●kes and that mans life to salute this man and let the other passe Lastly to conclusions of their owne without feare or without regard to discern eithe● how or of whom or to what end the worde of God be pronounced spoken or diuided That I might somwhat therefore relieue such mens ignorance of which sort some it may be haue mooued me to write and also shew what I haue preached therin for the benefite of the congregation wherein I am from time to time I haue taken in hand to commit this discourse to the open view bearing alwaies this minde that what I haue well spoken to the glorie of God to persist therin and to confirme the same if contra●ily I haue spoken amisse to bee the first also in my congregation to retract the same For God forbid any Minister should liue in a flocke to corrupt to abuse or to destroy the flocke whereof the holy Ghost hath made them oue●seers to feed the Church of God which he hath purchased with that his owne blood Now in handling of this question I see many difficulties to ensue On the one side if I saie Pray for all men then they will say What shall become of the Reprobates Beholde one that praieth for reprobates All men shall not bee saued And all men are not to bee praied for On the other side if I say All are not to be praied for I feare I shall speake against the truth against the Church of God against scripture it selfe In this dilemma therefore I will follow the mind of the Prophet I will stand vpon my watch and hearken what the Lord will say and whatsoeuer the Lord in his worde saith vnto me euen that will I speake Saint Augustines counsell is good Sileant humanarum contentionum animosa perniciosa certamina inclinemus aurem verbo dei Let the lustie and dangerous quarrels of humane contentions keepe silence let vs encline our eare to the worde of God Some haue said That it is a superfluous thing to pray for all men That such men are more charitable in praier then God would haue them to bee That they doe more worke than euer the Lord required That it is a superfluous and foolish charitie And therfore one in acertain booke setteth down this state on the question But now for the better satisfying of those which haue beene troubled about this matter and desired resolution at my hand● for the remouing of their doubts we wil a little further consider of the matter and see what we are to iudge of it by the word of God which is the perfectest rule that we can go by Your question beloued in the Lord is whether it be lawfull to pray for all men or no. Yea euen for the verse reprobate whom God ha●h reiected in his eternall counsell that they may be saued in the day of the Lord. For that is the state of the qu●stion indeed To which my answere is That al men being taken in that sense we are not Nay wee ought not to pray for all because all shall not be saued In these words first there is a satisfying promised and that according to the best rule which is the Word and it is w●ll if it be performed Secondly the question is set downe which I mislike for sundrie causes First it comprehendeth in it too many things to bee comprehended in one queston As Praier All men R●probates Reiection Eternal counsel of God Saluation in the day of the Lord And euerie one of these will moue manie a question Also it containeth a diuision of the question and so in part to import a resolution As when mankind is diuided in the question into Elect Reprobate which sheweth not plaine dealing and the question not indifferently propounded which thing should be obserued Thirdly it is farre from the nature of a question in art For Questiones sunt aut simplices aùt coniunctae Simplices fiunt de re sumpta cum verbo est secundo adiacente vtan homo sit Coniunctae complectuntur subiectum praedicatū distinctum à verbo est vt An homo sit risibilis We are allowed but small allowance for ●he putting forth of a question and not to farce in as much as we list For a simple question is short and containeth no more than ma● expresse the thing that is spoken of As An sit fides w●ether there be faith or no. And the compound question hath but the nature of the proposition As An fides sit iustificans that is whether faith be iustifying or no. And therefore a question must
oramus Quia totus populus vnum sumus Deus pacis concordiae magister qui docuit vnitatem sic orare vnum prò omnibus voluit quomòdo in vno omnes ipse portauit Before all things this doctor and teacher of peace and master of vnanimitie and agreement would not praier should bee made for one alone or priuately As that a man when he praieth should pray onely for himselfe Wee say not My father which art in heauen neither giue mee my bread this day neither doth euerie man require his sinnes to bee forgiuen vnto himselfe onely or that he may not be led into temptation and be deliuered from euill doth he aske for himselfe alone It is a praier publique and common vnto vs. And when we pray we pray not for one alone but we pray for the whole people For being the whole people yet are wee but one The God of peace and master of concord who hath taught vnitie would so one man to pray for All men as he in one bare vs all So we learne and behold howe according to the commaundement and praier set downe by our Sauiour Christ the Church hath praied in that his praier and what was meant thereby and to whom it had relation and in these expositions we learne also how wee ought to be affectioned minded towards the world and mankinde therein And hitherto we see that euen in this praier of the Lord Praier for all men and for all mankind to be obedient to the will of their heauenly father is a publique exercise and practise of the Church of God Now let vs go forward Secondly we read in the fornamed booke this title Canones apostolorum ex vetustis catholicis codicibus descripti That is Canons of the Apostles drawne forth of ancient and catholique bookes Amongst them ye find thus Canon de communibus precibus That is a rule concerning common praiers And it is S. Paules rule Ante omnia c. Before all thinges let praiers and supplications intercessions and giuing of thanks be made for all men for kings and all that are in authority that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godlines and honestie As concerning this rule of praier and the interpretation thereof inough hath beene said heretofore So yet the thing wee are to marke here is the practise thereof and that it is a rule set vp for common praier in the Canons of the Apostles and I haue no doubt but euen so receaued by the church of God euen to this day For as Paul deliuered it to Timothie for Ephesus So now this teacheth that it was a rule for all Christian churches and therefore it is written concerning S. Cyprian Et testatur Ciprianus li. 2. epistola 4. li 3. epistola 1. in serm sexto de oratione dominica Publica inquit est nobis communis oratio non pro vno sed pro toto populo Saith Ciprian in his second booke c. We haue publike and common praier not for one but for the whole people And againe they ordeined holy praiers for all thinges necessarie for the happy state of the empire for emperours for the peace of the church for publike tranquillitie for the enemies for infidels and such as were not yet conuerted Orasse etiam eos prò dissentientibus haereticis And they praied also for them that dissented from the church and for heretikes So well agree all these things to our Sauiour Christ and his Apostles that so before had set downe and taught According hereunto an example to be marked the holy man seruant of the Lord Policarpus as it is written of him was accustomed euen whole daies and nights to continue in praier and to pray most humbly to God for the peace of all churches throughout the whole world spoken to the shame of many of vs in these daies vnto whom there is no touch sorrow or affection for the afflictions of Ioseph but they drinke wine in boules and annoint themselues with the chiefe ointment their eies swell with fatnes and they doe what they list Walking on stil in gluttonie and drunkennes in chambring and wantones in strife and enuieng neither crucifieng the flesh nor remembring the day is at hand nor yet seeking to put on the Lord Iesus Christ That they might liue and rest with him for euermore T●erfore goeth my people into captiuity because they haue no knowledge c. The same holy father writing to the Philippiās which epistle also Irenaeus commendeth giueth this ●ule of praier Prò omnibus sanctis orate orate etiam prò regibus potestatibus principibus atque prò persequentibus odientibus vos prò inimicis crucis vt fructus vester manifestus sit in omnibus vt sitis in illo perfecti Pray yee for all the saintes pray ye also for kings powers authorities and princes and for them that persecute and hate you and for the enemies of the crosse that your fruit may bee made known in al things and that you may be perfect in him S. Augustin a man that highly reuerenced S. Ciprian and much allowed and alledged his interpretations and concerning the praiers of the church had much ado with many aduersaries This father disputing against them that thought that for the praiers of the saints All guiltie whatsoeuer were to be spared Etiam prò Angelis quibus paratus est ignis aeternus vt deus sententiam suam mitiget reflectat in melius eosque ab illo igne faciat al●●nos c. Euen for the Angels for whom eternall fire is prepared that God would mittigate his sentence and shew fauor and deliuer them from that fire c. Vt misericordia non patiantur quod veritate merentur quod nemo sanae fidei dixerit nemo dicturus est c. That through mercy they might not suffer that which in truth they deserue which thing none of sound faith hath euer spoken neither will anie man speake At last he commeth to the praiers of the church concerning mankind distinguishing them from the other and he speaketh after this sort Nunc enim propterea pro eis orat ecclesia quos in genere humano habit inimicas quia tempus est poenitentiae fructuosae Nam quid maxime pro eis orat nisi vt det illis deus sicut dicit Apostolus poenitentiam resipiscant de diabol● laqueis à quo captiui tenentur secundum ipsius voluntatem denique si de aliquibus ita ecclesia certaesset vt qui sunt illi etiam noscet qui licèt ad huc in hac vita sint constituti tamen predestinati sunt in aeternum ignem ire cum diabolo tam pro eis non oraret quam nêc pro ipso Sea quia de nullo certa est orat pro omnibus duntaxat hominibus inimicis suis in hoc corpore constitutis nec tamen pro omnibus exauditur pro