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find_v three_o to_o wit_v those_o two_o also_o on_o which_o the_o thief_n be_v crucify_v on_o and_o be_v perplex_v which_o be_v christ_n a_o miracle_n of_o cure_v a_o die_a woman_n with_o that_o which_o be_v christ_n resolve_v which_o be_v his_o and_o so_o she_o lock_v up_o some_o of_o it_o in_o a_o silver_n chest_n and_o the_o rest_n be_v set_v up_o upon_o a_o pillar_n in_o the_o market_n place_n at_o constantinople_n so_o call_v of_o constantine_n for_o the_o preservation_n of_o that_o city_n as_o also_o that_o she_o find_v the_o nail_n that_o fasten_v christ_n to_o the_o cross_n she_o send_v they_o to_o her_o son_n constantine_n the_o emperor_n whereof_o he_o cause_v bit_n for_o bridle_n helmet_n and_o head-piece_n to_o be_v make_v which_o he_o wear_v in_o battle_n so_o socrate_n eccles_n you_o see_v how_o vain_a a_o story_n here_o be_v and_o that_o all_o the_o christianity_n by_o this_o appear_v in_o helena_n relate_v to_o the_o time_n of_o her_o son_n constantine_n be_v emperor_n and_o therefore_o what_o mr_n t._n can_v make_v of_o it_o to_o his_o purpose_n i_o know_v not_o 4._o at_o this_o time_n of_o constantine_n birth_n be_v great_a persecution_n rise_v now_o almost_o towards_o the_o high_a it_o cost_v after_o that_o constantine_n many_o a_o battle_n before_o he_o can_v quiet_a thing_n and_o therefore_o helena_n the_o empress_n the_o wife_n of_o constantius_n the_o emperor_n religion_n then_o dare_v little_a to_o peep_v forth_o more_o than_o in_o notorious_a suffering_n for_o it_o may_v well_o be_v afraid_a if_o she_o be_v then_o a_o christian_a to_o do_v such_o a_o act_n as_o to_o carry_v her_o son_n to_o baptism_n as_o minister_n may_v be_v afraid_a to_o do_v it_o constantius_n the_o father_n not_o be_v a_o christian_n though_o political_o moderate_a 5._o for_o augustine_n 1._o it_o be_v clear_a out_o of_o aug._n confession_n the_o first_o book_n and_o 11._o chap._n that_o his_o father_n be_v not_o a_o believer_n at_o his_o birth_n nor_o when_o he_o be_v grow_v up_o to_o be_v a_o little_a boy_n of_o some_o understanding_n for_o he_o say_v there_o in_o the_o description_n of_o himself_o while_o he_o be_v pver_fw-la a_o little_a boy_n or_o lad_n ita_fw-la jam_fw-la credebam_fw-la et_fw-la illa_fw-la et_fw-la omnis_fw-la domus_fw-la nisi_fw-la pater_fw-la solus_fw-la etc._n etc._n so_o i_o and_o my_o mother_n and_o all_o the_o family_n do_v now_o believe_v except_o my_o father_n only_o who_o notwithstanding_o do_v not_o control_v my_o mother_n power_n over_o i_o whereby_o i_o shall_v not_o believe_v in_o christ_n for_o she_o rather_o endeavour_v that_o thou_o o_o my_o god_n shall_v be_v my_o father_n rather_o than_o he_o so_o augustine_n now_o the_o want_n of_o the_o father_n concurrence_n in_o carry_v a_o child_n to_o baptism_n in_o those_o difficult_a time_n may_v be_v some_o delay_n of_o that_o sacrament_n for_o second_o we_o say_v persecution_n be_v walk_v among_o christian_n about_o that_o time_n for_o augustine_n in_o his_o three_o book_n chap._n 25._o contra_fw-la literas_fw-la petiliani_fw-la say_v that_o after_o the_o death_n of_o the_o great_a tyrant_n he_o go_v into_o africa_n intimate_v also_o that_o his_o mother_n live_v a_o very_a private_a life_n his_o father_n be_v then_o dead_a three_o augustine_n tell_v we_o in_o his_o first_o book_n of_o confession_n and_o 11._o chap._n that_o cum_fw-la pver_fw-la 14._o pver_fw-la one_o be_v say_v to_o begin_v to_o be_v a_o pver_fw-la from_o 〈◊〉_d 4_o year_n old_a &_o so_o upward_o to_o 14._o essem_fw-la et_fw-la quodam_fw-la die_fw-la pressus_fw-la stomachi_fw-la dolore_fw-la etc._n etc._n when_o i_o be_v a_o little_a boy_n or_o lad_n be_v a_o certain_a day_n oppress_v in_o my_o stomach_n and_o sick_a even_o to_o death_n thou_o o_o god_n see_v because_o thou_o be_v my_o keeper_n with_o what_o motion_n of_o mind_n and_o with_o what_o faith_n i_o earnest_o desire_v from_o the_o piety_n of_o my_o mother_n and_o of_o thy_o church_n
all_o rather_o judge_v that_o the_o mercy_n and_o grace_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v deny_v to_o none_o that_o be_v bear_v of_o man_n by_o the_o answer_n of_o augustine_n to_o bonifacius_n tom._n 2._o epist_n 23._o inquire_v concern_v the_o truth_n of_o surety_n in_o affirm_v the_o unknown_a faith_n of_o little_a one_o and_o promise_v for_o they_o it_o will_v appear_v to_o the_o reader_n that_o the_o baptism_n of_o any_o little_a one_o offer_v to_o baptism_n be_v defend_v by_o he_o although_o they_o be_v not_o bring_v that_o they_o may_v be_v regenerate_v to_o eternal_a life_n by_o spiritual_a grace_n but_o because_o they_o think_v by_o this_o remedy_n i_o use_v the_o word_n of_o augustine_n to_o retain_v or_o receive_v temporal_a health_n john_n gerhard_n loc._n theolog._n tom._n 4._o de_fw-fr baptis_n cap._n 7._o sect._n 4._o defend_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o ancient_n baptise_v the_o child_n of_o unbeliever_n and_o the_o word_n of_o mr_n samuel_n rutherford_n scot_n in_o his_o book_n late_o put_v forth_o in_o the_o english_a tongue_n entitle_v a_o peaceable_a and_o temperate_a plea_n c._n 12._o arg_n 7._o seem_v to_o i_o to_o propend_v too_o much_o to_o this_o opinion_n the_o word_n be_v these_o if_o then_o the_o jew_n in_o paul_n time_n be_v holy_a by_o covenant_n howbeit_o for_o the_o present_a the_o son_n be_v branch_n break_v off_o for_o unbelief_n much_o more_o see_v god_n have_v choose_v the_o race_n and_o nation_n of_o the_o gentile_n and_o be_v become_v a_o god_n to_o we_o and_o to_o our_o seed_n the_o seed_n must_v be_v holy_a with_o holiness_n of_o the_o choose_a nation_n and_o holiness_n external_a of_o the_o covenant_n notwithstanding_o the_o father_n and_o mother_n be_v as_o wicked_a as_o the_o jew_n who_o slay_v the_o lord_n of_o glory_n and_o the_o grave_a confutation_n of_o brownist_n by_o rathband_n part._n 3._o page_n 50._o four_o child_n may_v be_v lawful_o admit_v to_o baptism_n though_o both_o their_o parent_n be_v profane_a if_o those_o who_o be_v instead_o of_o parent_n to_o they_o do_v require_v baptism_n for_o they_o and_o give_v their_o promise_n to_o the_o church_n for_o their_o religious_a education_n see_v they_o may_v lawful_o be_v account_v within_o god_n covenant_n if_o any_o of_o their_o ancestor_n in_o any_o generation_n be_v faithful_a exod._n 20.5_o last_o if_o this_o argument_n be_v not_o of_o force_n christ_n command_v first_o to_o disciple_n and_o then_o to_o baptize_v those_o that_o be_v discipule_v to_o exclude_v infant_n from_o baptism_n neither_o will_v the_o argument_n be_v of_o force_n from_o 1_o cor._n 11.28_o let_v a_o man_n examine_v himself_o and_o so_o let_v he_o eat_v to_o exclude_v infant_n from_o the_o lord_n supper_n for_o by_o the_o like_a clusion_n this_o argument_n may_v be_v reject_v by_o say_v that_o the_o speech_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o exclusive_a and_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n by_o person_n grow_v only_o yea_o very_o neither_o will_v the_o argument_n be_v of_o force_n from_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o supper_n mat._n 26.26_o 27._o therefore_o only_a believer_n be_v to_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n if_o any_o reply_n but_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 10._o and_o 11._o have_v declare_v that_o the_o institution_n be_v exclusive_a the_o fame_n may_v be_v say_v of_o the_o institution_n of_o baptism_n from_o the_o follow_a argument_n to_o this_o second_o argument_n of_o mr_n t._n out_o of_o mat._n 28.19_o for_o the_o affirmative_a animadver_n animadver_n that_o man_n of_o ripe_a year_n only_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v the_o other_o be_v only_o negative_a to_o put_v off_o argument_n for_o child_n baptism_n i_o say_v that_o i_o very_o expect_v mr_n t._n will_v not_o have_v urge_v it_o so_o curted_o careless_o or_o so_o scatter_o curt_o for_o he_o speak_v so_o abrupt_o touch_v the_o business_n of_o bishop_n fidus_n p._n 25._o that_o i_o can_v hardly_o divine_a what_o his_o meaning_n be_v i_o conjecture_v this_o answer_n will_v serve_v 1._o that_o god_n himself_o put_v the_o cause_n and_o make_v the_o premise_n wide_a than_o the_o effect_n or_o conclusion_n 2_o pet._n 3.9_o 1_o tim._n 2.4_o yet_o he_o do_v not_o warrant_v we_o to_o apply_v comfort_n or_o seal_n to_o all_o 2._o that_o cyprian_n in_o all_o likelihood_n speak_v to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n that_o as_o circumcision_n be_v not_o deny_v to_o any_o child_n of_o jewish_a parent_n that_o be_v member_n of_o that_o church_n so_o baptism_n be_v not_o to_o be_v deny_v to_o any_o so_o bear_v of_o man_n that_o be_v be_v the_o child_n of_o parent_n repute_v true_a member_n of_o the_o church_n careless_o for_o first_o he_o say_v p._n 24._o john_n 4.2_o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o jesus_n make_v more_o disciple_n then_o that_o he_o baptize_v first_o it_o be_v say_v that_o he_o make_v disciple_n then_o baptize_v so_o mr_n t._n now_o we_o must_v needs_o say_v that_o here_o be_v a_o gross_a falsehood_n for_o that_o text_n john_n 4.2_o say_v express_o jesus_n baptize_v none_o at_o all_o second_o mr._n t._n say_v p._n 24._o the_o ordinary_n rule_n be_v make_v disciple_n that_o be_v by_o preach_v the_o gospel_n make_v disciple_n as_o appear_v mark_n 16.15_o and_o baptise_v they_o to_o wit_n who_o you_o have_v make_v disciple_n so_o mr_n t._n here_o yet_o in_o another_o place_n of_o his_o exercitation_n mr._n t._n do_v not_o forget_v but_o confess_v that_o mar._n 16.15_o be_v not_o make_v disciple_n but_o only_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o so_o mark_n make_v not_o more_o of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d make_v disciple_n as_o the_o anabaptist_n will_v have_v it_o but_o only_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d preach_v the_o gospel_n scatter_o not_o only_a flote_a so_o much_o paper_n with_o the_o ink_n of_o syllogism_n under_o syllogism_n and_o argument_n under_o syllogism_n as_o if_o mat._n 28.19_o do_v not_o indeed_o in_o any_o show_n serve_v his_o turn_n without_o much_o lift_n but_o also_o in_o scatter_v such_o speech_n to_o the_o great_a disgrace_n of_o anabaptism_n for_o mr_n t._n say_v p._n 25._o that_o augustine_n be_v wont_a to_o take_v out_o his_o proof_n for_o in-infant-baptisme_n in_o his_o disputation_n against_o the_o pelagian_o from_o cyprian_n 59_o epistle_n to_o fidus._n so_o that_o by_o this_o mr_n t._n confess_v that_o the_o pelagian_o of_o old_a be_v the_o man_n that_o deny_v infant-baptisme_n which_o bring_v to_o mind_v that_o great_a james_n arminius_n be_v a_o anabaptist_n who_o have_v that_o and_o other_o dangerous_a principle_n from_o that_o unsound_a castalio_n 137_o mr_n g._n philip_n his_o reply_n and_o to_o t._n lamb._n p._n 137_o and_o that_o of_o master_n george_n fillip_v of_o water_n town_n in_o new-england_n that_o the_o first_o that_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n and_o oppose_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n in_o this_o case_n be_v one_o auxentius_n a_o arrian_n with_o his_o adherent_n that_o deny_v the_o godhead_n of_o christ_n who_o die_v about_o 380_o year_n after_o christ_n as_o mr_n philpot_n the_o martyr_n of_o jesus_n note_v in_o a_o epistle_n of_o he_o write_v out_o of_o prison_n to_o a_o fellow_n prisoner_n of_o he_o about_o the_o point_n so_o mr_n fox_n relate_v in_o his_o book_n of_o martyr_n ad_fw-la ann._n 1555._o bullinger_n affirm_v the_o same_o tom._n 3._o serm._n 8._o decad._n quint._n after_o he_o the_o pelagian_o and_o donatist_n oppose_v it_o against_o who_o augustine_n beside_o other_o write_v and_o defend_v it_o the_o pelagian_o deny_v it_o upon_o this_o ground_n that_o infant_n have_v no_o original_a sin_n and_o in_o bernard_n time_n one_o peter_n abilaird_n among_o many_o other_o gross_a opinion_n wherein_o he_o say_v he_o be_v magis_fw-la arrius_n quam_fw-la arrius_n rather_o more_o than_o arrius_n then_o bare_a arrius_n hold_v this_o also_o that_o infant_n be_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v ep._n 190._o so_o mr_n philip_n but_o to_o come_v to_o mr_n t._n his_o argument_n out_o of_o mat._n 28.19_o the_o sum_n of_o it_o be_v this_o 15._o exercitat_fw-la §._o 15._o that_o christ_n institution_n be_v that_o those_o only_a shall_v be_v baptize_v that_o be_v make_v disciple_n mat._n 28.19_o but_o believer_n infant_n be_v not_o disciple_n ergo._n to_o the_o place_n of_o mat._n 28.19_o that_o be_v animadver_n animadver_n the_o proof_n of_o the_o major_n we_o have_v answer_v somewhat_o afore_o chap._n 1._o of_o our_o animadvers_fw-la p._n 7._o which_o we_o entreat_v the_o patient_a reader_n to_o ponder_v over_o again_o more_o we_o have_v answer_v but_o now_o by_o compare_v mark_v 16.15_o who_o render_v it_o bare_o preach_v the_o gospel_n which_o the_o reader_n can_v but_o esteem_v of_o more_o weight_n than_o all_o the_o interpretation_n not_o only_o of_o all_o anabaptist_n but_o of_o all_o man_n we_o add_v now_o
in_o baptise_v people_n of_o ripe_a year_n de_fw-la facto_fw-la in_o fact_n confession_n of_o sin_n etc._n etc._n do_v precede_v and_o forego_v but_o neither_o john_n baptist_n nor_o the_o apostle_n make_v any_o such_o express_a rule_n that_o the_o jure_v of_o equity_n none_o shall_v be_v baptize_v by_o they_o but_o those_o that_o can_v make_v confession_n of_o sin_n or_o profession_n of_o faith_n nor_o do_v all_o the_o scripture_n bring_v by_o mr._n t._n prove_v any_o such_o rule_n mr._n t._n himself_o intimated_o confess_v that_o john_n the_o baptist_n do_v not_o make_v a_o rule_n for_o confession_n but_o only_o in_o practice_v those_o jew_n of_o ripe_a year_n that_o john_n baptist_n do_v baptize_v do_v first_o confess_v their_o sin_n and_o that_o act._n 2.39_o act._n 16._o etc._n etc._n have_v be_v already_o discuss_v that_o they_o show_v child_n be_v baptize_v who_o can_v not_o make_v confession_n or_o profession_n but_o mr._n t._n object_n act._n 8.37_o if_o thou_o believe_v with_o thy_o whole_a heart_n thou_o may_v be_v baptize_v where_o the_o apostle_n imply_v in_o his_o speech_n to_o the_o eunuch_n that_o defect_n of_o faith_n be_v a_o impediment_n of_o baptism_n we_o answer_v mr._n t._n afore_o confess_v p._n 24._o infant_n may_v be_v sanctify_v if_o therefore_o he_o mean_v the_o defect_n of_o manifestation_n of_o faith_n we_o answer_v it_o be_v true_a in_o man_n of_o ripe_a year_n for_o there_o it_o be_v know_v that_o they_o be_v worse_o than_o infant_n so_o be_v it_o in_o circumcision_n if_o ishmael_n be_v a_o know_a scoffer_n he_o be_v cast_v out_o and_o so_o his_o child_n be_v not_o circumcise_v unless_o perhaps_o after_o at_o year_n they_o give_v good_a testimony_n of_o their_o due_a subjection_n to_o the_o law_n so_o that_o to_o the_o whole_a argumentation_n we_o say_v that_o here_o be_v mention_n of_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o practice_n of_o that_o first_o administration_n of_o baptism_n to_o the_o parent_n with_o confession_n and_o 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