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well_o be_v more_o remiss_a therein_o though_o yet_o she_o keep_v those_o ceremony_n still_o 86_o aug._n ep_v 86_o read_v s._n augustine_n ad_fw-la casulanum_fw-la of_o those_o matter_n where_o also_o beside_o this_o you_o shall_v find_v also_o another_o general_a reason_n according_a to_o the_o divine_a wisdom_n of_o that_o most_o ecclesiastical_a doctor_n to_o wit_n that_o it_o suffice_v if_o the_o church_n have_v unity_n of_o faith_n as_o it_o be_v intus_fw-la in_o membris_fw-la inward_o in_o her_o limb_n and_o that_o she_o well_o may_v withal_o have_v diversity_n of_o observation_n as_o it_o be_v varietatem_fw-la in_o veste_fw-la variety_n in_o her_o queenly_a garment_n according_a to_o the_o psalm_n 44._o psal_n 44._o which_o he_o speak_v for_o diversity_n of_o ceremony_n in_o sundry_a place_n at_o one_o time_n but_o it_o serve_v for_o the_o like_a diversity_n in_o one_o place_n at_o sundry_a time_n as_o it_o be_v evident_a as_o for_o your_o boldness_n with_o the_o father_n for_o 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the_o pain_n to_o confer_v those_o liturgy_n and_o they_o shall_v easy_o be_v able_a of_o their_o own_o inspection_n to_o control_v you_o 21._o supra_fw-la pag._n 21._o as_o i_o also_o before_o in_o the_o three_o chapter_n by_o plain_a demonstration_n disprove_v you_o for_o the_o same_o and_o namely_o in_o the_o very_a same_o article_n that_o force_v you_o to_o this_o absurd_a and_o shameless_a shift_n v._o of_o sacrifice_n and_o for_o the_o dead_a now_o be_v we_o come_v to_o your_o next_o accusation_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n concern_v sacrifice_n &_o concern_v the_o dead_a the_o name_n of_o sacrifice_n 419._o pur._n 419._o which_o they_o common_o use_v for_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n they_o take_v up_o of_o the_o gentile_n so_o you_o say_v but_o you_o prove_v it_o not_o you_o may_v as_o well_o say_v that_o they_o or_o the_o apostle_n have_v it_o of_o the_o gentile_n to_o name_v that_o sacrifice_n which_o christ_n offer_v upon_o the_o cross_n no_o sir_n they_o name_v it_o so_o because_o it_o be_v so_o and_o therefore_o christ_n also_o say_v not_o this_o be_v i_o that_o be_v bear_v of_o the_o virgin_n though_o that_o be_v true_a but_o this_o be_v my_o body_n upon_o the_o one_o 26._o matt._n 26._o and_z this_o be_v my_o blood_n upon_o the_o other_o the_o apostle_n also_o for_o the_o same_o cause_n say_v of_o he_o that_o come_v thereunto_o unworthy_o not_o that_o he_o be_v guyltie_n of_o christ_n though_o that_o be_v true_a 11._o 1._o cor._n 11._o but_o that_o he_o be_v guyltie_n of_o his_o body_n and_o of_o his_o blood_n because_o it_o be_v such_o a_o celebration_n of_o his_o death_n whereupon_o if_o you_o know_v what_o be_v the_o sacrifice_a of_o a_o live_a thing_n you_o shall_v see_v that_o how_o proper_o he_o be_v sacrifice_v on_o the_o cross_n in_o a_o open_a manner_n even_o as_o proper_o he_o be_v sacrifice_v here_o in_o a_o mystical_a manner_n the_o same_o apostle_n therefore_o again_o say_v that_o we_o have_v a_o 13._o a_o heb._n 13._o altar_n to_o eat_v of_o which_o place_n your_o blindness_n 45â—_n blindness_n pur._n 45â—_n allege_v against_o this_o sacrifice_n and_o also_o call_v it_o 10_o it_o 1._o cor._n 10_o the_o table_n of_o our_o lord_n in_o that_o form_n of_o speech_n as_o he_o call_v 10_o call_v 1._o cor._n 10_o the_o table_n of_o the_o devil_n the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o gentile_n and_o the_o leviticall_a sacrifice_n likewise_o the_o leviticall_a 10_o leviticall_a 1._o cor._n 10_o altar_n yet_o you_o can_v not_o find_v 289._o find_v pur._n 200_o 289._o one_o word_n nor_o one_o syllable_n in_o the_o scripture_n of_o any_o sacrifice_n institute_v by_o christ_n at_o his_o last_o supper_n whereof_o we_o shall_v say_v more_o cap._n 10._o dem._n 24._o purgatory_n but_o to_o go_v forward_o with_o you_o to_o your_o accusation_n first_o of_o purgatory_n and_o afterward_o of_o purgatory_n fire_n to_o prove_v that_o purgatory_n come_v of_o the_o philosopher_n as_o all_o most_o notable_a heresy_n do_v 31.32_o pur._n 416._o tertul._n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la cap_n 31.32_o you_o allege_v out_o of_o tertullian_n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la that_o all_o philosopher_n which_o grant_v the_o soul_n immortality_n assign_v three_o place_n for_o the_o soul_n depart_v heaven_n hell_n and_o a_o three_o place_n of_o purify_n this_o argument_n prove_v as_o well_o that_o heaven_n and_o hell_n and_o the_o immortality_n of_o the_o soul_n have_v their_o original_n of_o the_o philosopher_n howbeit_o also_o to_o report_v the_o truth_n there_o be_v no_o word_n of_o any_o three_o place_n of_o purify_n but_o only_o that_o such_o philosopher_n make_v two_o sort_n of_o receptacle_n to_o wit_n supernas_fw-la mansiones_fw-la for_o philosopher_n soul_n only_o and_o inferos_fw-la for_o all_o other_o soul_n and_o that_o about_o the_o first_o they_o do_v vary_v for_o plato_n place_v it_o in_o aethere_fw-la aerius_n in_o aëre_fw-la the_o stoike_v circa_fw-la lunam_fw-la this_o be_v all_o again_o you_o prove_v out_o of_o irenéeus_n that_o purgatory_n come_v of_o carpocrates_n the_o heretic_n 24._o iren._n li._n 1._o cap._n 24._o because_o he_o invent_v a_o kind_n of_o purgatory_n and_o prove_v it_o out_o of_o that_o place_n of_o s._n matthew_n thou_o shall_v not_o come_v forth_o until_o thou_o have_v pay_v the_o uttermost_a farthing_n 5._o mat._n 5._o even_o as_o the_o papist_n do_v by_o this_o argument_n again_o you_o will_v win_v much_o honesty_n 17_o epiph._n li._n 1._o to._n 2._o haer._n 27._o tertul._n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la c._n 17_o ireneus_fw-la and_o after_o he_o epiphanius_n as_o also_o tertullian_n in_o your_o own_o book_n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la do_v write_v that_o the_o carpocratian_o hold_v that_o a_o man_n must_v wallow_v in_o aâ—l_a the_o filth_n of_o sin_n that_o be_v in_o this_o world_n before_o he_o can_v come_v to_o life_n everlasting_a and_o therefore_o if_o he_o have_v miss_v any_o sin_n his_o soul_n be_v reverse_a into_o a_o body_n and_o so_o again_o and_o again_o until_o he_o have_v fulfil_v all_o and_o for_o this_o purpose_n jesus_n they_o say_v use_v this_o parable_n of_o agree_v with_o the_o adversary_n in_o the_o way_n 5._o matt._n 5._o etc._n etc._n corpus_fw-la enim_fw-la dicunt_fw-la esse_fw-la carcerem_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o that_o prison_n they_o say_v be_v the_o body_n and_o that_o which_o he_o say_v thou_o shall_v not_o go_v out_o thence_o until_o thou_o have_v pay_v the_o last_o farthing_n they_o interpret_v as_o if_o the_o soul_n shall_v be_v turn_v over_o by_o certain_a angel_n from_o body_n to_o body_n semper_fw-la quoadusque_fw-fr in_fw-la omni_fw-la omnino_fw-la operatione_n quae_fw-la in_fw-la mundo_fw-la est_fw-la fiat_fw-la continual_o even_o until_o it_o have_v be_v in_o all_o and_o every_o act_n of_o this_o world_n ut_fw-la nihil_fw-la amplius_fw-la relinquatur_fw-la say_v epiphanius_n ad_fw-la nefarium_fw-la quicquam_fw-la faciendum_fw-la so_o that_o nothing_o remain_v that_o be_v abominable_a but_o it_o be_v fulfil_v purgatory_n fire_n 419.418_o pur._n 419.418_o you_o go_v forward_o and_o say_v that_o they_o take_v purgatory_n fire_n of_o the_o origeniste_n and_o the_o name_n of_o purgatory_n of_o certain_a mediator_n who_o about_o s._n augustine_n time_n will_v accord_v origen_n error_n with_o the_o erroneous_a practice_n of_o the_o church_n for_o it_o be_v origen_n that_o bring_v in_o the_o fire_n also_o and_o that_o he_o will_v build_v as_o the_o papist_n do_v caluine_v see_v here_o ca._n xij_o of_o christ_n damnation_n temporal_a according_a to_o caluine_v and_o as_o he_o have_v better_a reason_n than_o the_o papist_n have_v out_o of_o the_o 1._o cor._n 3._o this_o you_o say_v but_o you_o prove_v it_o not_o origen_n error_n be_v that_o hell_n fire_n be_v not_o a_o everlasting_a fire_n but_o only_o a_o temporal_a fire_n which_o shall_v in_o time_n purge_v not_o only_o they_o that_o have_v end_v their_o life_n in_o most_o horrible_a sin_n but_o also_o the_o devil_n
pray_v you_o sir_n be_v all_o montanisme_n that_o tertullian_n have_v in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la and_o in_o so_o many_o other_o book_n which_o he_o write_v be_v a_o montanist_n then_o what_o article_n of_o our_o créede_v almost_o be_v not_o montanisme_n even_o in_o those_o few_o line_n that_o you_o cite_v he_o have_v immortality_n of_o the_o soul_n &_o resurrection_n of_o the_o flesh_n and_o that_o which_o be_v his_o scope_n in_o the_o same_o place_n to_o wit_n for_o you_o seem_v not_o to_o understande_v it_o the_o soul_n suffer_v in_o she_o between_o this_o and_o the_o resurrection_n if_o otherwise_o therefore_o some_o be_v truth_n though_o some_o other_o be_v montanisme_n what_o shall_v you_o have_v do_v but_o to_o look_v in_o epiphanius_n in_o augustine_n and_o such_o other_o what_o be_v the_o heresy_n of_o montanus_n and_o not_o find_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a among_o they_o to_o have_v refrain_v your_o rashness_n you_o know_v this_o well_o enough_o &_o therefore_o notwithstanding_o your_o brag_n to_o prove_v it_o etc._n etc._n you_o confess_v that_o it_o be_v but_o your_o own_o light_n suspicion_n 417._o pur._n 417._o say_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o otherwise_o to_o be_v think_v but_o that_o the_o montaniste_n add_v to_o the_o abuse_n in_o the_o church_n afore_o also_o prayer_n for_o the_o spirit_n of_o they_o that_o be_v dead_a whereof_o tertullian_n make_v mention_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr castitate_fw-la &_o de_fw-fr monogamia_fw-la which_o be_v both_o write_v to_o heretic_n of_o his_o sect_n and_o by_o those_o prayer_n labour_v to_o prove_v his_o montanisme_n to_o wit_n that_o second_o marriage_n be_v not_o lawful_a and_o again_o and_o therefore_o it_o may_v well_o be_v 263._o pur._n 263._o that_o all_o that_o tertullian_n speak_v of_o prayer_n and_o oblation_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v only_o in_o the_o conventicle_n of_o the_o montaniste_n mention_v all_o in_o tert._n be_v montanisme_n that_o cypr._n do_v not_o mention_v and_o this_o conjecture_n you_o say_v seem_v the_o more_o probable_a not_o because_o it_o be_v by_o any_o impute_v to_o montanus_n but_o because_o cyprian_n which_o be_v afterward_o a_o catholic_a bishop_n in_o the_o same_o city_n where_o tertullian_n some_o time_n have_v live_v make_v no_o mention_n of_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a a_o goodly_a cause_n and_o yet_o in_o deed_n cyprian_n make_v such_o mention_n thereof_o as_o d._n allen_n allege_v he_o pag._n pur._n 239._o infra_fw-la pag._n that_o yourself_o do_v say_v there_o this_o place_n of_o cyprian_a have_v more_o colour_n but_o yet_o not_o so_o clear_a for_o purgatory_n as_o m._n allen_n will_v seem_v to_o make_v it_o and_o when_o you_o have_v all_o do_v you_o stick_v fast_o in_o the_o lime_n but_o this_o by_o the_o way_n again_o you_o utter_v your_o suspicion_n 419._o pur._n 419._o say_v final_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o faithful_a in_o tertullia_n time_n etc._n etc._n allow_v no_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o yet_o of_o this_o 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