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A69753 The generall demands, of the reverend doctors of divinitie, and ministers of the Gospell in Aberdene, concerning the late covenant, in Scotland together, with the answeres, replyes, and duplyes that followed thereupon, in the year, 1638 : reprinted in one book, by order of Parliament. Forbes, John, 1593-1648.; Henderson, Alexander, 1583?-1646. 1663 (1663) Wing C4226; Wing C4225; ESTC R6298 125,063 170

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