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A44111 An answer to several material passages in a book published some time since by W.P. entituled, A brief examination and state of liberty spiritual, both with respect to persons in their private capacity, and in their church-society and communion, &c. by J.H. Hogg, John, fl. 1675-1698. 1691 (1691) Wing H2368; ESTC R13730 50,925 60

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otherwise not He Quest Page 6 and 7. But the Members of Christ's Church in the Primitives had different apprehension as the Apostle and the People gathered by them To this he answers Pray let me know who they were and in what cases the Person was Paul and Peter and those Christians that differed about Meats Answer As to that difference betwixt Paul and Peter we believe it was more the Author 's own stating than any bodies else except some might bring it to beat down that over-value which Men are ready to take to themselves because of their Eldership or Priority considering that here an elder Apostle was corrected by a younger though the best of it is he bore it well for any thing that we hear As to that of Meats it is true 't is an instance of weakness but that doth not conclude them weak that made the Objection but rather strong that was contented to be accounted weak rather than you should be unquiet but whether weak or strong seeing we are sure there are some that is conscienciously dissatisfied you ought to hear or forbear and so avoid or provide for the cure of Dissatisfaction and Division But to that of Meats he has unfairly avoided the weight of the Objection by omitting days 't is true he has an c. but his Answer is as foreign to it as if no such thing had been As to Meats he pleased to say It did not concern Church-Communion but was private and personal Freedom and centered here as what I will eat and when as a Man having power over his own Appetite when 't is plain from Scripture they were not free but bound on the account of Conscience however we hope he will not say they observed days too under the same notion but if he will to make way for blind Obedience who can help it However 't is plain from Rom. 14. that the Church at Rome or some eminently concerned therein took things under another notion tho' wrong too as all have been since that have made circumstantial things Terms of Communion or how comes it that the Apostle bids them receive such By which 't is plain either that such had been rejected or could not be received on those Terms so that the Objection if fairly stated is valid and thus far to the case in hand as to prove various Practices in such things tollerated by an Apostle though contrary to a Churches mind or some eminently concerned therein and if various Practices then in Circumstantials why not now To say those then did not concern Church-Communion but those now do is to make the Church now or some eminently concerned therein the Author of Schism or Dissatisfaction as she or they was then the only difference that we can find they could not then be admitted because they stuck too much to Circumstantials and now some are thrust out or rejected because they cannot receive such like things But that we may accept of those things in question whatever they are he tells us They are not Jewish Rites doth it therefore follow they are no Rites or because not Jewish Rites they ought to be accepted as Christian Rites But further as he tells us they are not Jewish Rites so he tells us nor shadowy Ceremonies doth he mean they are no shadowy Ceremonies because not Jewish or because in Christ's Government at last there is none Therefore he would not have those received as such but if not shadowy Ceremonies pray let us know what they are For if not ceremonial or circumstantial they must be essential and if not shadowy they must be substance cannot Men be true Christians without them or cannot Mens Lives and Conversations be such as adorn the Gospel if they want them If not we must confess they are essential otherwise they are but ceremonial or circumstantial when all is done Again will those things he speaks of lead into all Truth those that observe them or at best but into some things that is true If into all Truth then we must acknowledge they 're substance but if but into some things that is true they 're but shadowy We find the great hurt and mischief among Christians is a mistake conceiving because Christ came to end the shadowy ceremonies of the first Covenant to the Jews therefore as there should be none in Christ's Government so there is none and so under this mistake contend for such Rules and Forms as they have not as shadows but as essential things while the contrary is plain for the best of outward Means Rules and Forms as they direct unto God's worship and unto Communion and Fellowship with him are but shadows for they must be substance or shadow as above if substance they lead into all Truth if shadows but into some things that is true The substance is God's Holy Spirit that only and alone guides into all Truth the outward rule the shadow in Christ there is no shadow and therefore all that are in him though they may do the same thing the shadow leads to yet they do it not by an outward Rule but by his immediate Government they do it naturally by participating of the Divine Nature Christ being truly not only the object of their mind but the whole Government of the Mind and Soul is immediately upon his Shoulder one Spirit with him by being joyned to him where every Addition is fulfilled for Righteousness sake but such as are under the shadow though Christ be their end yet the shadow is the object of their Mind thinking to find Christ in this or that Duty or serve him in this or that thing and though every thing that is observed for a good end is serviceable if that end be looked for through the use of the outward things but if a sitting down in the outward Court then it will not only be a shadow but become a vail and a snare as well as the abuse of Moses Law did unto the Jews Page the 9th he saith 'T is true the People of God ought to be left to the guidance of the Spirit of God in themselves c. Answ This is as fair as a Man can say but hitherto through-out his Book what he gives with one Hand he takes away with the other for he proceeds and says For this to be so applied as to disregard the Preachings and Writings of Christ's inlightned Servants because by them properly applied to the Preaching and Writing of false Prophets and Seducers will by no means follow Answer We are of his mind in this and do say so too but this is but a beging of the Question who are those Servants and what are those Writings that are true that are rejected We grant readily to apply this and such like sayings as this That I must mind the Spirit of God in my self c. only because others have applied them or against such as we believe are Christ's inlightned Servants in the things that we believe they are inlightned in