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The dissenter's sayings, in requital for L'Estrange's sayings published in their own words for the information of the people / by Roger L'Estrange.
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L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704.
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Church to be Lawful Dangerous Pos. Lib. 2. Cap. 4. See the References Christ's Religion is fondly patcht with the Popes The communion-Communion-Book is an imperfect Book cull'd and pick'd out of that Popish dunghil the Portuyse and mass-Mass-book The Sacraments are wickedly mangled and profan'd They eat not the Lords Supper but play a Pageant of their own to blind the people Their Pomps Rites Laws and Traditions are Antichristian Carnal Beggarly Popish Fooleries Romish Reliques and Rags of Antichrist Dregs and Remnants of Transform'd Popery Pharisaical outward Faces and Vizzards Remnants of Romish Antichrist known Liveries of Antichrist a cursed Leaven of a cursed blasphemous Priesthood Cursed Patches of Popery and Idolatry they are worse then Lousy c. Dan. Pos. L. 2. cap. 9. The Dagon of the Bishops Service-book brake its Neck before this Ark of the Covenant Ibid. P. 66. Notes on § 4. LEt the Reader lay his hand upin his Heart here and ask himself Is this pretended Tenderness of Christianity the stile of the Gospel or no Is it the Language of the Disciples of Jesus Christ Can these People really have an Evangelical Compassion for their Brethren and at the same time fly thus in the face of Dignities and treat their Superiors at this outrageous rate Have we so learn'd Christ as to make Scurrility and Railing the Badge of our Profession They would be thought to supplicate all this while for Gentleness and Compassion And is this the way to obtain it by a Practice that is almost sufficient to turn Mercy it self into Indignation But alas their business is not to procure Favour from the Government but to expose it to Reproach And all this clutter about the Clergy is only to render them Odious and Contemptible to the People Pray'e take notice once again The stress of their Charge upon the Church is only to move the multitude against it as a Frame of Constitution that is Antichristian and Popish And yet pray mark it they do in the same breath offer Proposals of being Vnited into that Ecclesiastical Popish State Which brings the matter unavoidably to this Issue either that they do against their Consciences cast that scandal upon the Church for the Advancement of some Other Designe or else by desiring this Vnion they do acknowledge themselves willing to be Incorporate into a Popish Constitution But this Bustle about the Church you shall fee has a furthlr Prospect For these People have the Faculty of handling Religious Matters in order to Political as well as of hooking in Temporal Matters in order to Spirituals §. 5. The Dissenters Behaviour towards the Civil Government A THe King the Nobles and the Prelates are sure the Murtherers of Christ O People I will be silent Speak People and tell me what good the King has done since his Home coming M. Welsh at Sanchil in Carrit at a Conventicle And at another Conventicle thus I am confident that God will yet assert the Cause of Pentland-hills in spite of the Curates and their Masters the Prelates and in spite of the Prelates and their Master the King and in spite of the King and his Master the Devil Ravillac Redivivus Pa. 45. B Her Majesty and State do maim and deform the Body of Christ and so bid God to battel against them c. By the same authority that the Queen appoints the apparel noe appointed to the Ministers she may command any piece of Popery so she name it Policy c. The Servants of God are persecuted under her That Excommunication should not be exercis'd against Princes I utterly dislike Danger Pos. L. 2. C. 3. Cartwrights Reply Par. 2. C The State sheweth it self not upright alledge the Parliament what it will It shall be easier for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of Judgment then for such a Court. There shall not be a man of their seed that shall prosper be a Parliament-man or bear Rule in England any more None ever defended this Hierarchy of Bishops to be lawful but Papists and such as were infected with Popish Errors All the Newgates and Oldgates yea and all the Tyburns in England are too little for such rash and presumptuous Heads that will not give God leave to Rule but will take the Sceptre out of his hands I do fear that many of the forwardest Enemies of Reformation are not the backwardest Friends that the King of Spain has in England at this day Dan. Pos. L. 2. C 6. D As long as you maintain these cursed Acts of 1584 the Tyranny of Bishops c. you are a Persecutor Dan. Pos. l 1. cap. 6. E The Magistracy and Ministry walk hand in hand in the contempt of True Religion The Laws maintaining the Archbishops are no more to be accounted of then the Laws maintaining the Stews Impiety is suffer'd to bear sway against the Majesty of God and that by Law and Authority As great Indignities offer'd to Jesus Christ in committing his Church unto the Government of the Common Law as can be by mean Hirelings unto a King Ibid. l. 2. cap. 8. Come hither ye Malignant Athiests come hither gnash your teeth and let their eyes rot in their holes Bond to the Commons Oct. 8. 1645 Pa. 5. F The Kings of the Earth have given their power to Antichrist How have they earn'd their Titles Eldest Son of the Church the Catholique and most Christian King DEFENDER OF THE FAITH Do not the Kings of all these Nations stand up in the room of their Progenitors with the same implacable Enmity to the Power of the Gospel Dr. Owen Fast Serm. Apr. 19. 1649. Pa. 22. There was Corruption both in Church and Common-wealth Idols were set up in Dan and Bethel i.e. in the places of Judgment and in the House of God Burroughs on Isa. 66. v. 10. Pa. 37. The greatest blow that ever was given to Antichristian Government is that which Now it hath had Babylon is so fallen as it shall never rise again Burroughs on Isa. 66.10 Pa. 44. G. O Worm Darst thou be so Impudent to put thy self in Gods Stead to meddle with Mens Consciences and Lord it in Religious Concerns Gods Loud Call Pag. 17.1661 H. What hope that the Reformed Religion will be protected and maintained by the Son which was so irreligiously betray'd by the Father Plain English 1660. Pag. 2. I. C. S. the Son of that Murtherer is proclaimed King of England whose Throne of Iniquity is built on the Blood of pretious Saints and Martyrs Door of Hope Pag. 1.1660 The Murtherers of our Saviour were less Guilty than That Prince Case of King Charles 1648. K. Let Justice and Reason blush and Traytors and Murtherers Parricides and Patricides put on White Garments and rejoyce as Innocent Ones if This Man the Late King should escape the Hands of Justice and Punishment English Translation of the Scottish Declaration Pag. 12.1650 L. Charles the Second The Son of a Bloody Father Heir to an Entail'd Curse more certain than to his Kingdom Train'd
THE DISSENTER'S Sayings In Requital for L'Estrange's Sayings Published in Their Own Words FOR THE INFORMATION OF THE PEOPLE By Roger L'Estrange LONDON Printed for Henry Brome at the Gun in St. Paul's-Church-Iard 1681. TO THE READER AMong the Curiosities of This Latter Age the Invention of Transmitting unto After-Times the Apothegms and Sayings of Men Famous in their Generations with a He being Dead yet Speaketh for the Motto is in my Opinion not the least Considerable This is the Sweet Oyntment that has Perfum'd the Memory of the Late Kings Judges the Sufferers of the Kirk Militant and the whole Band of Covenanted Martyrs that have Finished their Testimony on the wrong Side of the Pale What a Comfort is it for a Man in the Contemplation of his Future State to say with the Reverend Mr. Baxter Saints Everlasting Rest pag. 100. Then shall ye be with Pym and White c. Your Names shall be Chanted with Their Names Your Sayings Recorded with Their Sayings c. This Din may do well enough when a Man's Bones are laid and his Head past Aking But to see my Self Embalm'd before My Time and Serenaded with Mr. Roger L' Estrange's Sayings with Brief Notes to prevent Mis-apprehensions c. It looks methinks like the Inviting a Man to his own Funeral And in few Words I was not so very Hasty but I could have waited till the Complement might have come on in due Season This is precisely the Seven and Thirty'th Civility of This Kind that I have Received within less than Two Months from the True Protestant Dissenters Which truly I look upon but as so many empty Casks thrown out to divert me from sinking the Rotten Barque they are Engag'd in These Learned Pieces I know very well are Compos'd and Publish'd at the Charge and for the Service of our Ignatian Society So that I cannot pitch upon a more suitable way of Acknowledgment than to Oppose SAYINGS to SAYINGS the Dissenters Sayings to L'Estrange's Sayings fairly and impartially Reported and in such manner Digested and Dispos'd that the Reader shall find every Article of the Subject in Question unanswerably Refuted by their Own Lips and Pens Conscience Fighting against Conscience Text against Text Practice against Pretense and the whole Meddling Party from One End of the Controversy to the Other laying violent Hands upon Themselves So that there shall need no Other Plea for the Government than the very Arguments of those that Contend so eagerly against it Every Party still as it was Uppermost serving it self of the Same Scriptures and Weapons against the Opposition of the Under-Schismaticks which the Lawful Magistrate does employ for his own Support against the whole Body of the Schism In This Extract or Collection the Reader may phansy himself to be gotten into the Phanaticks Tyring-Room where he sees all their Dresses and Disguises their Shifts of Masques and Habits their Change of Scenes their Artificial Thunders and False Fires Nay the very Buggs and Devils that they fright Fools and Children with at a Distance to be no more Near hand than Paint and Canvass You have here laid open to you the Mystery of the Work to the very Springs and Wheels that make the Motion Play Their Deeds of Darkness brought to Light their very Souls Expos'd their Pleas and Consciences still varying with their Fortunes Or in One Word You have here the Dissenters Picture to the Life of their own Drawing Upon That Fruitless Conference at the Savoy where His Majesty did all that was possible for Him to do to Gratify the Importunities of an Ungrateful and Insatiable Party without Laying the Church and the Crown at their Feet And the Treaty brake off in effect because the King would not part with the Rest What did they do but instead of Submitting to some Accommodable Alterations in the service-Service-Book as was propounded wholly Abolish the Liturgy of the Church and Publish a Directory of their Own with Miserable Complaints and Appeals to the People that they could not prevail so much as to be Heard How much are they beholden to Me then for bringing them to the Fairest Hearing here that ever Men had for they shall have their Own Choyce the Multitude for their Judges and They Themselves shall be allow'd to be their Own Advocates And in Truth there will need no more when every Man of them is both Plaintiff and Defendent within Himself and his own Right Hand a Witness against his Left POST-SCRIPT JUst as I was hurrying away this Sheet to the Press out comes The Protestant Mercury If he had called it The Protestant Cheat or Cuckold a Body might have guess'd at the Authors of it by Their Names On April 3. say They Mr. L'Estrange thought fit to Take the Sacrament at his Parish-Church St. Giles in the Fields and was observed To Whisper the Minister some time before he did Receive But he would do well in his next Pamphlet to tell those that still suspect him how oft and where and when he came to That Holy Table in Sixteen Years Time before the Discovery of the Popish Plot and before he was Publickly question'd for being a Papist It is true that I Received the Blessed Sacrament as above and Whisper'd also to the Minister the Learned and Reverend Dr. Sharp and the very Words I Whispered were These So let God deal with Me as I am Clear not only of Popery but of All the Things that have been Sworn against me that look towards it Now for the further Satisfaction of Knaves and Fools for no other that know Me and my Circumstances can pretend to suspect me let them Ask Mr. Gatford Minister of St. Dionis Backchurch a Worthy Divine if I have not several times Received the Holy Sacraments from his Hand and in my Parish-Church too long and late before the Discovery of the Popish Plot. To say nothing of Hundreds of other Witnesses that I could produce in my Justification if the Triple League of Mercenary Libellers were worthy of it AUTHORITIES Cited in This WORK BAstwick Burton Jenkins Junius Brutus Baxter Buchaman Case Mene Tekel Knox Burroughs Marshall Poor Mans's Cup. Strickland Jus Populi Calamy Goodwyn Bond Brooks Manton Saltmarsh Love Del. Herle Nonsuch Charles Cartwright Fenner Caryl Faircloth Owen Gilby Goodman Cockaine Bridges Simpson Ward Vdal Crosse Newcomen Spurstoe Salwey Martin Junior Snape Holms Edwards Young Gillespy Evans Robinson Cosens Penry King Kid. Mitchel Guthery Crab a Felt-maker Hobson a Taylor Mellish a Cobler Debman a Cooper Heath a Coller-maker Potter a Smith Durance a Wash-Ball-Man Green a Felt-maker Spencer a Coach-man Rice a Tinker Field a Bodies-maker Crew a Taylor c. Dissenters Sayings c. §. 1. Of Toleration A A Toleration is against the Nature of Reformation a Reformation and a Toleration are diametrically opposite The Apologists in Petitioning for a Toleration have not only broken the Covenant themselves but they endeavour by all their Wit and Art to bring the Parliament and