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A43724 A continuation of The dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker wherein the truth of those things objected against them in the first part, are fully confirm'd : together with a further account of their perilous and pernitious errors concerning the person of Christ, His satisfaction, justification, sanctification, the ministry, and immediate motions are in this second part, cleerly and plainly represented out of the writings of some of their principal, and most approved leaders / published for the common information of such as either really are, or may be, in danger of being insnared and intangled by them by Thomas Hicks. Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent. 1673 (1673) Wing H1919; ESTC R21822 53,818 100

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This is my testimony to this man of God who hath been a blessing to the Lord in his Generation Josiah Coale his Epistle before Edw. Burroughs his Works in Folio Chr. Was this Josiah Coale a real Quaker Quak. He was so Chr. In what respect did the Almighty Power of God live and raign in him and how was he a blessing to the Lord for I must confess I do not well understand the meaning of this testimony Quak. 'T is no matter for answering such cavilling Questions Chr. Who else gives their Testimony to Edw. Burroughs and his Works Quak. These memorable Works of Edw. Burroughs printed for the good of Generations to come 1672. is brought forth for us and our Children and such as are moderate and well affected greater desires hereof could not be in any then in my own particular I having travelled both to answer and serve the truth and the desires of Friends herein Let none condemn the honest plainness and harmless simplicity of any of his first Works here inserted for many are living Witnesses that the Power and Wisdom of God did then appear and shew it self through such plainness and simplicity to the confounding of the wisdom of many that seemed high and lofty And thus dear Friends as the Salvation of our dear Brother Edw. Burroughs according to his desire whilst in the Body I recommend this Volume of his Books being therein the Truths and your Servant Ellis Hooks See the Epistle Dedicatory to the Quakers Chr. Of what use and service do you judge these Works may be to you and to your Children Quak. It may not be unnecessary for Friends and Children to read and peruse these Testimonies Informations and Vindications of Truth where they are in a way of Controversie given forth the reading whereof may be of service to them they being in the light and inspiration of the Almighty from which all Scriptures or Writings that are given forth are profitable to the man of God for his accommodation for though many of you are come to a particular satisfaction in the true Light and know so much of Christ so as to dye for him yet cannot so well dispute for him Though that be necessary and few given up and accomplished for that Service therefore there may be need for more to apply their hearts to wisdom Ellis Hooks ibid. Chr. If written Testimonies and Vindications be profitable to the Man of God for his accommodation to help him to Dispute as you plainly intimate Doth not this interfere with that grand Notion of yours which saith You must do all by the immediate motion of the power within But if the Light and Power which you and your Children have be not sufficient of it self to accomplish you for this Service of Disputation for and vindicating of that you call the Truth why then do you contend so much for its All-sufficiency me-thinks you who pretend to infallibility should be very careful to make one story agree with another and not thus to be taken in different tales to the manifest disparagement both of your selves and Opinions But is this Ellis Hooks a true Quaker Quak. Thou needst not doubt that forasmuch as be was imploy'd in that Service for the collecting and printing these Works of Edw. Burroughs and also allow'd to prefix his Epistle before it And there are others who were and are in the Ministry that hath given their Testimony to this Servant and Prophet of the Lord as thou mayst see in their Epistles before his Works Shall Dayes Moneths and Years wear out thy Name Shall not thy noble and valiant Acts which thou hast wrought through the Power of him that separated thee from the Womb live in Generations to come The Children yet unborn shall have thee in their mouths and thy Works shall testifie of thee in Generations that yet have no Being and shall account thee blessed When I think of thee I am melted into tears of sorrow because of the want that the Inheritance of the Lord hath of thee Francis Howgill As for Edw. Burroughs our dear Brother and Companion in travel suffering and consolation for the everlasting Gospels sake his Testimony lives with us He was a Preacher of Righteousness one who travell'd for the Redemption of the Creature from under the bondage of Corruption The name of this Minister of Righteousness is written in the Lambs Book of Life George Whitehead His name is chronicled in the Lambs Book of Life a righteous Plant a valiant Warrier more then a Conquerer who is dead but yet liveth amongst us and amongst us is alive George Fox Chr. Being well assured from these Testimonies that Edw. Burroughs was an approved Quaker then for the satisfaction of you and others in this Point whether I have feigned a Quaker as Whitehead suggests or made them speak otherwise then in their own proper Dialect I shall transcribe twenty questions which I find printed in the memorable Works of Edw. Burroughs together with the force and import of his Answers to each Question as you will find if you consult his Works in Folio printed 1672. wherein the Spirit and Principles of the Quakers is not a little laid open The questions were propounded as that Book informs me by one Philip Bennet 1. Q. Whether the Word was made Flesh more or oftner then once Quak. In this Quere thou are manifested what thou art where thou art and what spirit thou art of a Reprobate a Child of Darkness In this Quere thy spirit is seen and known in the eternal light thou knowest not what thou askest thy Quere comes from thy dark polluted mind Thou art a stranger to the Life without God in the World the Light condemns thee and all thy generation eternally The Word made Flesh we witness which dwells amongst us and we behold his Glory whereby we witness thee and all thy generation to be in the sorcery and witchcraft the light in thee will tell thee so to which thou must be obedient before thou canst witness the Word made Flesh onc't for thou art darkness it self when thou canst witness the Word made Flesh onc't then thou wilt know whether the Son of God was made of a Woman more or oftner then onc't But thou Dragon that would devour the Man-Child thou the Dragon with thy Angels art cast into the Earth For thy other nineteen Queres thou hast conjured them up in the Black Art out of the bottomless Pit Edw. Burrough's Works in Folio p. 29 30. Chr. Was ever Querist so rudely and uncivilly treated or was ever question thus ridiculously answer'd was this the honest plainness and harmles simplicity of this man and was this his silencing all Opposers Is there any thing in the question to provoke to such Bedlam Rhetorick to call a man Reprobate Child of Darkness a stranger to the Life without God in the World yea and to damn him eternally only for a modest and sober enquiry was this his valour for the Lamb what means
he by witnessing the Word made Flesh Is it any thing more then the Seed Light or Power within But is this to the question Doth the Scripture by the Word being made Flesh intend onely the Light within many thousands that in all things walk not up to the light in them do believe that the Word was made Flesh onc't contrary to the bold assertion of this man That they must be obedient to the Light within before they can witness or believe this thing 'T is easie to guess what your notions are concerning the Word made Flesh Burroughs saith the Querist is darness it self if so then surely he had no light in him to tell him he was in the sorcery and witchcraft If no light how is your opinion true That every man hath Christ or his light in him is it possible for that man in whom Christ or his Light is to be darkness it self And how could he be obedient to the light within if he had none to obey Again is a serious proposal about the Word being made Flesh onc't an argument of one being in the sorcery and witchcraft O stupendious madness and folly And if the Querist be the Dragon and hath his Angels I would willingly know of some of them who have commended his memorable Works to the Ages to come who or what these Angels are And since he hath already doom'd and pass'd sentence upon the rest of the Queres as being conjured in the Black Art out of the bottomless Pit we may plainly foresee what Answers they are like to be attended with nevertheless I shall proceed 2. Q. Whether did the man Christ slain in respect of God's Decree and efficacy from the foundation of the World really and indeed suffer death as upon the Cross at Jerusalem more or oftner then once Quak. In this Quere thou Diviner art found adding to the Scriptures the Divination of thy own Brain whereupon the Plagues of God are to be added to thee Oh thou lyar where doth the Scriptures speak as thou speaks here But in the light thou art seen and art for the condemnation The man Christ we own and witness and the Lambs Book of life which was slain from the foundation of the World we witness the Lamb of God and thee to be the Beast that makes war with the Lamb and thou Antichrist which looks at Christs death at Jerusalem alone so let all thy Congregation see what they hold up that follows thee Edw. Burroughs ibid. p. 30. Chr. Can any man be the wiser for this Answer Is it Antichristian to look at Christ's death at Jerusalem Doth the man Christ die in you and must he be onely look'd at as so dying The question is plain whether the man Christ did really suffer death as upon the Cross more then onc't though Edw. Burroughs saith 'T was conjured up in the Black Art and accordingly in his canting way answers We witness the Lamb of God But what is this witnessing to the point or is Diviner Lyar and Beast a fit reply to so harmless an enquiry I see though you cannot or will not answer a question in plain and intelligigible terms yet you can and will freely curse and damn the Querist And whilst you pretend to own and witness the Man Christ c. you sufficiently intimate your erronious thoughts concerning the Sufferings of Christ upon the Cross though you are ashamed or afraid to speak them out 3. Q. Whether did the Man Christ really and indeed suffer in his own Person for that end and after the same manner which he did upon the Cross at Jerusalem before that time or since that time Quak. Here thou full of all subtilty hast manifested thy poyson and enmity but thou art seen with the Light and with it condemn'd for ever Christ Jesus in his own Person doth and ever did suffer by thee and such as thou art after the same manner Thou blind Pharisee and Blasphemer wouldst thou have Christ have more ends in suffering then one Ibid. p. 30. Chr. Whether there be more poyson and enmity manifested in the Question or in the Answer I leave others to judge Was Christ indeed actually crucified upon the Cross by the Querist and doth Christ alwayes suffer after the same manner and for the same end as he did when crucified at Jerusalem If so How is the Body of Jesus Christ said to be offer'd once for all And why is it call'd an offering of one Sacrifice Heb. 10.10 12 14. Be free and plain let us know whether you do believe that Christ did and doth suffer in his own person for the same end and after the same manner as he did upon the Cross both before that time and since that time or deny it else say you cannot or that 't is not convenient to give a positive answer 4. Q. Was not that death which the Man Christ suffer'd once and but once upon the Cross at Jerusalem so satisfactory for all the Sins of the Elect as that the justice of God did not doth not require any suffering or working upon that account either from Sinner or Saint Quak. Here thou Jesuite art pleading for a Christ afar off thee that Christ which died at Jerusalem did not satisfie for thee who art an enemy to him and art under the woe and from that woe thou shalt never flee The death of the Man Christ we own and witness The same Christ that suffer'd we witness made manifest And here thou lyar art made manifest to be a lyar who said We deny that Christ which died at Jerusalem so let thy mouth be stopt thou lyar who art for the lake And whereas thou queries whether the justice of God be not satisfied for the Sins of the Elect let shame strike thee in the face that thou should take upon thee to speak to any people and knowest not the Scripture where reads thou that God requires satisfaction for the Sins of the Elect or laid any thing to their Charge Let all people see whether thou be not a blind ignorant sot Ibid. p. 30 31. Chr. It seems by this Answer 't is Jesuitical to plead for that Christ which died at Jerusalem which Burroughs calls a Christ afar off Then in what sense must you be understood when you say You own the same Christ that suffer'd If the death of the same man you do truly and without reserved meanings acknowledge why do you stigmatize the Querist for pleading for that Christ The Querist is accused for a lyar for saying You deny that Christ which died at Jerusalem and yet Edw. Burroughs calls him Jesuit for pleading for a Christ afar off Is not this to acquit his Accuser and plainly to condemn himself for a rash and peevishman That Burroughs did really lye and dissemble in his pretences to own the same Christ doth in part appear in his Answer and will more fully in the sequel of this Dialogue How did this Quaker know that Christ did not satisfie