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A85311 The answer of Giles Firmin, to the vain and unprofitable question put to him, and charged upon him by Mr. Grantham, in his book, entituled, The infants advocate : viz. whether the greatest part of dying infants shall be damned? : Which advocate, while he shuts all infants out of the visible church, and denies them baptism, opens heaven to all dying infants, justifying those of his party, who admit them all as he doth, into Heaven without regeneration. Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697.; Grantham, Thomas, d. 1664. Infants advocate. 1689 (1689) Wing F954A; ESTC S122452 14,558 22

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