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A94733 An apology or plea for the Two treatises, and appendix to them concerning infant-baptisme; published Decemb. 15. 1645. Against the unjust charges, complaints, and censures of Doctor Nathanael Homes, Mr Iohn Geree, Mr Stephen Marshall, Mr John Ley, and Mr William Hussey; together with a postscript by way of reply to Mr Blakes answer to Mr Tombes his letter, and Mr Edmund Calamy, and Mr Richard Vines preface to it. Wherein the principall heads of the dispute concerning infant-baptism are handled, and the insufficiency of the writings opposed to the two treatises manifested. / By Iohn Tombes, B.D. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1646 (1646) Wing T1801; Thomason E352_1; ESTC R201072 143,666 170

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they_o may_v give_v they_o the_o lord_n supper_n in_o which_o all_o christ_n be_v communicate_v and_o baptism_n shall_v not_o be_v 〈◊〉_d baptism_n be_v the_o seal_n of_o the_o tender_a of_o christ_n 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d power_n of_o his_o blo●d_n 〈◊〉_d of_o our_o communion_n or_o partake_v of_o christ_n that_o be_v seal_v in_o the_o other_o sacrament_n pag._n 64._o it_o be_v true_a adultus_fw-la must_v have_v faith_n such_o as_o it_o be_v natural_a human_a before_o he_o can_v be_v baptize_v he_o must_v be_v willing_a by_o some_o inclination_n or_o other_o it_o be_v barbarous_a to_o baptize_v a_o grow_a man_n àgainst_a his_o will_n which_o can_v not_o be_v get_v but_o by_o some_o kind_n of_o 〈◊〉_d though_o it_o may_v be_v just_a with_o man_n to_o punish_v he_o with_o death_n that_o shall_v refuse_v as_o it_o be_v with_o god_n to_o punish_v with_o eternal_a death_n such_o as_o despise_v baptism_n nor_o do_v i_o think_v the_o principal_a ground_n of_o his_o new_a conceit_n pag._n s._n will_v satisfy_v which_o be_v that_o matt._n 28._o 19_o be_v thus_o to_o be_v expound_v make_v all_o nation_n disciple_n by_o baptise_v they_o and_o teach_v whereas_o he_o himself_o sundry_a time_n read_v it_o better_o make_v disciple_n of_o all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o and_o it_o be_v vain_o allege_v that_o by_o be_v employ_v in_o the_o participiall_n expression_n any_o more_o than_o verse_n 9_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d must_v be_v expound_v he_o meet_v they_o by_o say_v or_o matth._n 27._o 55._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d they_o follow_v by_o minister_a unto_o he_o and_o i_o say_v just_o examen_fw-la pag._n 127._o this_o conceit_n be_v so_o absurd_a that_o i_o presume_v none_o that_o have_v any_o wit_n will_v entertain_v it_o though_o master_n hussey_n say_v page_n 6_o i_o think_v if_o ever_o a_o man_n be_v out_o of_o his_o wit_n it_o be_v here_o but_o i_o shall_v be_v willing_a the_o assembly_n judge_n whether_o of_o we_o two_o need_n sail_n to_o anticyra_n to_o purge_v 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