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The supplycacyon of soulys made by syr Thomas More knyght councellour to our souerayn lorde the Kynge and chauncellour of hys Duchy of Lancaster. Agaynst the supplycacyon of beggars
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More, Thomas, Sir, Saint, 1478-1535.
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1529
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STC 18092; ESTC S104281
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temporall where as the good prynces passed haue graunted and y â— nobles in they re tymes and the people to haue by playne parleamentes confermed them and yet hytherto blessed be god they agre better to gyther then to fall at varyaunce for the wylde wordes of suche a malycyouse make bate whyche for to brynge the spyrytualtye in to hatered sayth that they call theyr iurysdyccyon a kyngdome In whyche word he may say his pleasure but of trewth he seldom seeth eny spyrytuall man at thys daye that so calleth eny spyrytuall iurysdyccyoÌ„ y t he vseth ¶ Nowe where thys man vseth as a profe therof that y â— spyrytualte nameth theym selfe alwaye byfore the temporaltye thys maner of namyng cometh not of them but of the good mynde and deuocyon of the temporaltye so farre forthe that at the parlyament when that eny acâ—es be conceyued the wordes be comenly so cowched that the byll sayth it ys enacted fyrste by our souerayne lorde y â— kyng and by y â— lordes spyrytuall temporall the comens in that present parlyameÌ„t assembled And these byllys be often drawen put forth passed fyrste in the comen howse where there ys not one spyrytuall man present ¶ But suche trewth as the man vseth in thys poynte suche vseth he where he calleth the pore freres almoyse an axaccyon surmysynge that yt ys exacted by force and the people compelled to pay yt where euery man well wotteth that they haue pore men no way to compelle no man to gyue theÌ„ aught not though they shulde dy for defawt But thys good honest true man sayth that who so wyll not pay the freres they re quarterage they wyll make hym be taken as an heretyque We be wyll contente that ye take thys for no lye as manye as euer haue knowen yt trew But who herd euer yet that eny man taken for an hereâ—yque dyd so myche as ones saye that he thought yt conuayd by the malyce of any frere for refusyng to paye y â— freres quarterage Thys lye lo ys a lytle to lowde for eny man that were not waxen shameles ¶ Lyke treuth ys there in thys that he sayeth yf any man trouble a preeste for any teÌ„porall suyte the clergye forth wyth wyll make hym an heretyque and burne hym but yf he be coÌ„tent to bere a fagotte for they re pleasure The falsehed of thys can not be vnknowen For meÌ„ know well in many a shyre how often that many folk endyght prestê of rape at the sessynos And as there ys somtyme a rape committed in dede so ys there euer a rape surmysed were the women neuer so wyllynge and oftentyme where there was nothynge done at all And yet of eny suche that so procured preestes to be indyghted howe many haue men herd taken and accused for heretyques ye se not very many sessyoÌ„s passe but in one shyre or other thys page anâ— ys playd where as thorow the realme such as be put to penaunce for heresy be not so many in many yeres as there be prestys endyghtyd in few yerys And yet of all such so taken for heresye he shall not fynde foure this four score yere peraduenture not thys four huÌ„dreth yere that euer precended them selfe so troubled for endyghtyng of a preste So that hys lye ys herein to large to get eny cloke to couer yt ¶ Nowe where he saith that the captayns of doctours Aleyns kyngdome haue hepyd hym vp benefyce vppon benefyce haue rewardyd hym .x. tymes as mych as the .v. C. poundis whych he payd for a fyne by the premunire and that thus hath the spyrytualtye rewarded â—ym because he fought so maÌ„fully agaynst the kyngys crowne hys dygnyte all that know the matter do well parceyue that the man doth in hys mater as he doth in other eyther lyeth for hys pleasure or els lyttell wotteth how that the matter stode For it ys well knowen that doctour Aleyn was in the premunire pursued only by spyrytuall meÌ„ and had moch lesse fauour myche more rygour shewed hym therin by the greatest of the clergy then by any temporall men ¶ He sayth also to the kynges hyghnes your grace may se what a worke there ys in London how the byshop rageth for endyghtyng of certayne curates of extorcyon and incontynencye the laste yere in the warmoll quest wolde not vppon these wordes euery straunger wene that there had bene in LondoÌ„ many curates endyghted of extorcyoÌ„ and rape and that the byshop wold labour sore to defend theyr fautê and that there wer aboute y t matter a greate coÌ„mocyon in all the cyte How shameles ys he that can tell thys tale in wrytynge to y â— kyngâ— hyghnes for a trouth wherof neyther byshop nor curate nor mayre nor alderman nor eny man ellys euer hard word spoken Hyt were harde to say whether we shulde take yt for wylynes or lacke of wytt y â— he sayth all thys worke was in the cyte the last yere then hys boke neyther was put vp to the kynge nor bereth eny date So y â— a man wold wene he were a fole that so wryteth of the last yere y â— the reder caÌ„not wyt whych yere yt was But yet wene we he doth yt for a wylynes For syth he knoweth hys tale false yt ys wysdome to leue the tyme vnknowen that hys lye may be vncontrolled For he wold that men shulde wene alwaye that yt was in one yere or other ¶ But fynally for a specyall poynt he bryngeth in Rychard HuÌ„ne and sayth y t yf he had not commencyd an accyoÌ„ of premunire agaynst a preste he had bene yet alyue and none heretyke at all Now ys yt of trewthe well knowen that he was detectyd of heresye before the premunyre sued or thought vppon And he began that suyte to helpe to stop the tother wythall as in dede yt dyd for the whyle For all be yt that he that was sued in the premunire was nothynge bylongynge to the byshop of London byfore whome Rycharde Hunne was detectyd of herysy yet left suche as wolde be glad synysterly to mysseconster euery thynge towarde the clergye myght haue occasyon to say that the matter were hotely handeled agaynst hym to force hym to forbere his suyt of the premunire the bysshop therefore dyd the more forbere tyll yt appered clerely to the temporall iudges and all that were eny thyng lerned in the teÌ„porall law that hys suyte of the premunire was nothynge worthe in the kynges lawe for as moche as by playne statute the matter was owt of questyon that the ple to be holden vpon mortuaryes belonge vnto the spyrytuall courte After whyche thynge well aperynge the matter wente forth afore the byshop he there well proued nought and hys bokes after brought forth suche and so noted wyth hys own hande in the margentes as euery wyse man well saw what he was and was full sore to se that he was suche as they they re sawe hym preued ¶ Now goeth he