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A00916 An adioynder to the supplement of Father Robert Persons his discussion of M. Doctor Barlowes ansvvere &c. Contayning a discouery, and confutation of very many foule absurdityes, falsities, and lyes in M. D. Andrewes his Latin booke intituled, Responsio ad apologiam Cardinalis Bellarmini &c. An answere to the apology of Card. Bellarmine. Written by F.T. ... Also an appendix touching a register alleaged by M. Franc. Mason for the lawfull ordayning of Protestant bishops in Q. Elizabeths raigne. Fitzherbert, Thomas, 1552-1640. 1613 (1613) STC 11022; ESTC S102269 348,102 542

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submit themselues to the Church throw downe their Crowns before the Church That Magistrats as well as other men must submit them selues and be obedient to the iust lawfull authority of the Church that is of the Presbitery Quis tandem Reges Principes who can exempt euen Kings and Princes from this non humana sed diuina dominatione not humane but diuine domination meaning the Presbitery saith Beza which presbitery they would haue to be in euery parish quotquot Ecclesiae Christi as many as be members of Christ and of the Church they must subiect themselues to the consistorian discipline non hic excipitur Episcopus aut Imperator neyther Bishop or Emperour is excepted heere Thus sayth M. Rogers concerning the doctrine of the Puritans and addeth further also in the next leafe that if the King be not included in the number of Pastors Elders Deacons and Widdowes he cannot possibly haue any thing to doe in Church-affaires in these mens opinions meaning the Puritans 80. All this wrote M. Thomas Rogers touching the doctrine of the Puritans not past fiue yeares agoe for his booke was printed in Cābridge by Iohn Legat in the yeare of our Lord 1607. If then the Puritans were so lately as fiue yeares agoe of the opinion that M. Barlow and M. Rogers report which is the same that the Cardinall affirmeth eyther let M. Andrews tell vs precisely in what bookes or sermons since that tyme they haue recalled this errour or els if he will needs say that they did it before I will turne him to these two for answere not doubting but they are able to giue him full satisfaction therein especially M. Rogers who hath pawned the credit of all the English Clergy for the truth of his testimony And in the meane tyme I will desire thee good Reader to consider whether M. Andrews could haue any iust cause or pretence to reuile the Cardinall and call him lyar and dotard as he doth for affirming a matter belonging to our Country which he findeth expressely testified by the greatest superintendent of our English Clergy besids other sufficient reasons mouing him thereto 81. For put the case it were true as it is most false that the Puritans haue of late recanted their errour as M. Andrews tearmeth it yet the same hauing neuer byn hitherto so published that strangers can take notice thereof hath M. Andrew● any reason in the world to reprehend and reuyle any stranger for not acknowledging it being but a matter of fact which he neyther knoweth nor is bound to know Truly albeit M. Andrews be of a most intemperate tongue and malignant disposition towards Catholykes as hath appeared diuers wayes yet I verily think that if the weakenes of his cause had not forced him to braue and face it out with rayling for lack of reason to defend it he would not in this case haue byn so immoderate in contumelies and reproaches towards the Cardinall as he hath byn without any cause giuen of his part But heerin he concurreth so well with his companion M. Barlow that it appeareth euidently they are both guided by one spirit To conclude this point concerning the Puritans wheras M. Andrews saith that they haue of late acknowledged their error touching the Kings supremacy I will in the next Chapter make it euident that not they but hee if he be an English Protestant may be sayd to haue acknowledged his error and that he is turned Puritan in that point admitting the Kings Ecclesiasticall supremacy no otherwise but so as they may safely grant it without change of opinion yea subscribe or sweare to it in the same sense that he teacheth it and so perhaps such of them do as take the Oath of supremacy and this I say I make no doubt to proue clearely in the next Chapter quod scio punget Doctorem as he sayd once of the Cardinall 82. To these examples of his egregious impudency in this kind I may well adde one or two other examples of his impudent assertion of notable lyes without allegation of authour or witnesse as when he chargeth certayne Iesuits to haue affirmed or as it seemeth to haue written that they cōmitted no sinne abannis saith he nescio quot I know not for how many yeares togeather which I dare boldly affirme to be a monstrous lye I meane that any Iesuit hath so written or sayd eyther of himselfe or any other man for although I make no doubt but that many Iesuits and other good men both Religious and secular by the help of Gods grace doe liue free from all mortall sinnes that is to say such sinnes as do vtterly depriue men of Gods fauour grace and deserue eternall damnatiō yet I am well assured that no Catholyke will say that any man liueth free from all sinnes such I meane as are called veniall which could not be sayd of the Apostles themselues as S. Iohn testifieth saying si dixerimus quod peccatum non habemus c. Yf we say that we haue no sinne we seduce our selues and truth is not in vs and to the same purpose also the Scripture sayth els where Septies in die cadet iustus c. The iust mā shall fall seauen tymes a day and shall ryse againe 83. And this is so knowne and firmely belieued of all Catholykes that it is incredible that any one who professeth the Catholyke Religiō should affirme of any man and much lesse be so vayne to say of him selfe that he committed no sinne for some yeares therefore M. Andrewes must not thinke it strange if we take this for an egregious lye vntill he produce some other authour or witnes then himselfe as I doubt not but he would haue dōe if he had any worth the naming or els had not perhaps forgot his name as well as the number of yeares in which those Iesuits committed no sinne for so it appeareth by his ab annis nescio quot whereby we may see what substātiall tales he telleth vs seeing he writeth eyther he knoweth not or at least he careth not what 84. The lyke I say also of another matter auowed by him with more particularities and circumstances to wit that a Iesuit being in Prison at the same tyme when he wrote cōfessed vpon his owne accord without all compulsion feare or examination moued merely with remorse of conscience that the Popesent to England 3. Buls of excommunication to be kept in readines and published in three seuerall parts of the realme vpon the execution of the powder-plot wherevpon he inferreth that the Pope must needs be priuy vnto the sayd plot But for as much as I assure my selfe and know right well that no such Buls as he mentioneth were euer made I do not only deny the inference of the Popes knowledge of the powder-plot but also may iustly charge M. Andrews to haue faygned the whole matter himselfe vntill he name the
only the Cardinall but also the ancient Fathers Councells and holy Scriptures and finally to face out matters impudently for lack of proofes CHAP. IX Pag. 361. That M. Andrews ouerthroweth his owne cause and fortifieth ours graunting many important points of Catholike Religion That he is turned Puritan in the point of the Kings Ecclesiasticall Supremacy and betrayeth his Maiesties cause vnder-hand pretending to defend it and therfore is neither good English Protestant nor yet good Subiect Lastly what is the opinion of learned strangers concerning him and his booke with a good aduise for a friendly farewell CHAP. X. Pag. 329. An Appendix touching a Register alleaged by M. Franc. Mason for the lawfull Ordayning of Protestant Bishops in Q. Elizabeths Raigne THE AVTHORS INTENTION IS DECLARED AND M. D. Andrewes his interpretation of Pasce oues meas examined and confuted FVRTHERMORE It is shewed that he hath belyed S. Augustine corrupted S. Ambrose notably abused S. Cyril vainly carped at a law in the Code foolishly approued the vnlawfull proceeding of Iustinian the Emperour against two Popes CHAP. I. WHEN I had well-neere ended my Supplement and already sent away the greatest part of it to the print it was my chance to haue a sight of M. D. Andrewes his Answere to Cardinall Bellarmines Apology and considering that the subiect thereof was in effect the same that Father Persons and I had handled and debated with M. Barlow I easily perswaded my selfe that I should find many things treated by M. Andrewes which I had touched in my Supplement In which respect I determined to take a speedy Suruey of his worke and finding that he pretended now and then to answere some places authorities and arguments which had bene obiected as well by me as by the Cardinall I resolued to examine and confute his Answers in respect not only of my selfe but also of the most Worthy Cardinall not for that I thinke he needeth any defence who like an inexpugnable fortresse trenched on euery side and fortified with bulwarks of truth doth of himselfe sufficiently resist the assaults and daunt both the courage and force of his enemies but that in discharge of the obligation which all true Christians owe him for his singular merits towards the Church of Christ I may for my part out of my pouerty pay with the poore widdow my two mytes and therfore hauing offered one of them in my Supplement I thinke good now to add the other and the rather for that I hope by the same meanes to preuent the Cauills of my Aduersary M. Barlow who otherwise might perhaps in his reply if he be disposed to make any blame me for not taking notice of such a worthy work as that of M. Andrewes and eyther turne me ouer to him for satisfaction touching those points or els make vse of his answers himselfe which being esteemed as a precious fruite of the fine wit and curious pen of the greatest Rabbin in the English Synagogue are held no doubt by his friends and followers for no other then oracles of Apollo I meane both infallible and irrefragable for which cause I am the more willing to enter into the examination of them And therefore to the end thou mayst good Reader know how far I meane to proceed therin thou shalt vnderstād that seeing my Supplement is already vnder the presse and that I haue no more tyme to bestow on this Adioynder but vntill the said Supplement be printed I make account that I shall haue opportunity to handle but a few points in which respect I think good to make choyce of such only as concerne some of the most important matters cōtrouersed betwixt M. Barlow me not doubting but that the same shall suffice to shew ex vngue Leonem that is to giue the Reader an aboundant tast and tryall of M. Andrews his good spirit and sincerity in the defence of his cause 1. Well then to come to the matter For as much as one of the chiefest points debated in my Supplement by occasion of the new Oath is the question concerning the supreme and vniuersall Authority of the Apostolike Roman Sea which authority I deduced specially from the Pastorall commission giuen by our Sauiour to S. Peter I thinke good to examine of what worth and weight M. Andrewes his Answeres are touching the same especially in his 16. 17. page where he laboureth seriously to proue three wayes against Cardinall Bellarmine that our Sauiours words to S. Peter Pasce oues meas alleaged and learnedly vrged by the Cardinall do make nothing for vs. 2. First he saith that S. Augustine affirmeth that S. Peter had no peculiar increase by the word Pasce and that S. Ambrose affirmeth the like of the words oues meas And to the end that this may appeare he pretendeth to lay downe the very words of those two Fathers Of S. Augustine thus Cùm Petro dicitur ad omnes dicitur Pasce oues meas when it is said to Peter it is said to all Feed my sheep Of S. Ambrose thus Eas oues non solùm Beatus suscepit Petrus sed nobiscum eas suscepit nos cum illo accepimus omnes Those sheep not only the blessed Peter receaued but also he receaued them with vs and we all receaued them with him And then M. Andrewes addeth Nempe dictum illi Pasce c. for it was said vnto him Feed as well in the person of others as in his owne atque vel sic iacebit Cardinali ratio sua and so shall the Cardinalls reason serue him to no purpose Thus argueth he 3. But to the end thou maist good Reader see and note with what fidelity and conscience this man alledgeth the Fathers I will lay downe the place of S. Augustine somewhat more amply then he hath done whereby thou shalt easily discouer his notable fraud S. Augustine in the place alledged by him saith thus Non enim sine causa inter omnes Apostolos c. For not without cause doth Peter sustayne the person of the Catholike Church amongst all the Apostles for to this Church the keyes of the Kingdome of heauen were giuen when they were giuen to Peter and when it is said to him Doest thou loue me Feed my sheep it is said to all and therefore the Catholick Church ought willingly to pardon her Children when they are corrected and strengthned in piety seeing we see that to Peter himselfe bearing the person of the Church pardon was granted both when he had doubted vpon the sea c. and when he had thrice denyed his Maister c. Thus saith S. Augustine declaring that Pasce oues which our Sauiour said to S. Peter was said to all the Church because S. Peter bare the person of the Church Which he did by reason of the supreme authority that he had ouer the Church 4. For else why should rather he then others of the Apostles be said to represent
and his want of proofes for the same by the law of Christ. 16. And although as well the ancient Fathers as we do ordinarily produce testimonies of the old Testament not only for matters in controuersy but also for instruction in matters of morality yet neyther they nor we euer do it to other end but to confirme things instituted and taught in the new law by the ordinance and commaundment eyther of Christ or of his spouse the Church and this we do only in respect of the conformity that is in many things betwixt the figure and the Verity I meane betwixt the old law and the new Moyses and our Sauiour Christ the Synagogue and the Church and not to the end to proue any thing to be necessary now because it was ordayned or practised then which were rather a point of Iudaisme then of Christianisme And therefore this and other arguments of M. Andrews grounded only vpon the Iudicial lawes of Moyses may shew him to be rather a Iew then a Christian except he can bring some other ground for the same out of the new Testament or some Apostolicall or Ecclesiasticall Canon or Tradition which he neyther doth nor euer shall be able to do 17. But who seeth not how he tryfleth in this point as cōmonly he doth in all For how doth it follow that if it be true which we teach to wit that Christ made S. Peter supreme Pastour of the Church by cōmaunding him to feed his sheep then he gaue the same spirituall authority to Dauid when he bad him feed his people of Israel Is it not manifest that although the word pasce feed as it was spoken to them both doth signifie to gouerne yet it is Equiuocall being to be vnderstood of a different manner of gouernment in them both that is to say in the one spirituall and in the other temporall what consequence then can he draw from the one to the other except it be this that as when God bad Dauid who as a temporall man to feed his people of Israell which was a temporall people he gaue him temporall authority making him head of a temporall Kingdome So when he bad S. Peter who was a spirituall man a Priest an Apostle and Prince of the Apostles feed his sheep that is to say all the faithfull conteyned within his Sheepfold which is a spirituall congregation he gaue him a spirituall authority and made him supreme Pastor and head of a spirituall Kingdome that is to say of his Church And this no doubt is the most direct inference that can be made of the word Pasce when it is applied in the old Testament eyther to Dauid if we respect him as he was a King and not a Prophet or else to any other temporall Prince 18. And therfore whereas M. Andrewes saith Narro autem Cardinali c. I declare to the Cardinall that the tytle of Pastor was giuen in the holy Scriptures to Princes long before it was giuen to the Bishop and much more often as to Iosue before and more often euery where in the holy-history and in the Prophets This his narration I say is very idle and impertinent seeing it proueth not any thing which we deny but that which we willingly graunt to wit that the words Pascere and Pastor are often applyed in the old Testament to temporall Princes but that they signify spirituall gouernment in them as Kings M. Andrews will not proue in hast and the contrary is manifest inough in Cyrus a Pagan and Idolatrous King whome God called Pastormeus and no man I thinke will be so absurd to imagine that he had any Ecclesiasticall authority or was Head and chiefe member of Gods Church wherof he was no member at all besides that the example which he giueth vs of Iosue out of the booke of Numbers doth not any way help his cause but flatly confound him 19. For albeit in the Chapter which he quoteth to wit the 27 it is declared that God commaunded Moyses to assigne and ordaine Iosue for his Successour in the gouernmēt of the people least they should be like to oues sine Pastore sheep without a Sheepheard yet it is euident there that he was not to haue any authority ouer the High Priest but rather the cleane contrary to wit that he should depend wholy vpon the High Priests direction and therfore wheras Moyses was commaunded there by almighty God to giue part of his glory to Iosue Theodoretus doth very well obserue as I haue noted before in the Supplement that Moyses did distribute his dignity and authority which was both spirituall and temporall betwixt Iosue and Eleazar the High Priest yet in such sort that Iosue should be directed in al his affaires by Eleazar Pro hoc saith the Scripture si quid agendum erit c. For him that is to say Iosue if any thing be to be done Eleazar shall consult the Lord and at his word he to wit Iosue shall go out and in and all the children of Israel with him and all the rest of the multitude Thus saith the holy Scripture wherby it appeareth that albeit Iosue was Pastor populi yet he was but a temporall Pastor or Gouernour and to be directed euen in temporall affaires by the spirituall Pastor Eleazar whome Almighty God did illuminate and instruct in his consultations for the direction of Iosue Now then doth this example prick Cardinal Bellarmine trow you or M. Andrews Truely though he meant to prick the Cardinall yet you see he hath wounded none but himselfe Thus much to his second answere 20. His third is in substance that albeit S. Augustine and S. Cyril haue amply cōmented vpon the Ghospell of S. Iohn and vpon those very words of our Sauiour to S. Peter Pasce oues meas yet neyther of them saith he saw illustrem hunc fidei articulum de primatu Petri temporali this notable article of faith concerning the temporall primacy of Peter c. So he As if the Cardinal did teach or affirme that S. Peters primacy is a temporall primacy which is a meere fiction of M. Andrews to frame matter for himselfe to impugne for seeing the spirituall primacy of S Peter is so euident in the holy Scriptures that he is now then forced to graūt it in some sort yea somtimes as far forth in effect as we demaūd though at at other times he laboureth vtterly to ouerthrow it as I shall haue occasiō to declare more largly her after he wil now needs presuppose that we teach the Popes Primacy to be a temporall primacy why forsooth Marry because the Cardinal as also all the Catholiks do teach that the spirituall authority which our Sauiour gaue S. Peter and his Successors may and doth in some cases extend it selfe to temporall things so far forth as it is or may be necessary for the execution of their spirituall power and for
the Cardinall with the shot of a Canon whereas not only the most important parts of that Councell but also the very Canon which he mangled and peruerted do euidently proue the Cardinalls intent to wit the primacy of the Roman Sea as I haue amply shewed in the second Chapter aforesaid so as it is hard to say whether he was more impudent in his corruption and falsity or in his vayne brags afterwards as if he had vsed all the sincerity in the world and got a great victorie 73. And in lyke sort dealt he with the Cardinall about the adoratiō of Reliques when he triumphed saying Tenetur hic Cardinalis vt elabi non possit Heere the Cardinall is catcht and held so fast that he cannot escape away neuertheles the testimony which he himselfe produced being layed downe whole with the circumstāces doth cōuince him both of folly fraud as hath bene manifestly shewed a litle before euen in this Chapter and therefore I forbeare to speake further thereof and will only add one other Instance in this kind of a matter which hath not beene touched hitherto 74. The Cardinall as well in his Matthaeus Tortus as also in his Apology auoweth that the Puritans in England do no lesse abhor the oath of supremacy then the Catholikes and in his Apology alleadgeth for the proofe thereof not only his Maiesties monitorie Preface and his Basilicō Doron but also Caluins doctrine which the Puritanes professe and the testimony of M. Bancroft late pretended Bishop of Canterbury who plainely witnesseth the same as well concerning the profession and practice of the Puritans as also touching Caluins expressed doctrine in that behalfe and M. Andrews finding himselfe hardly p●est therewith and hauing no other remedy but to face out the matter calleth the Cardinall not only Mendacem a Ly●r but also D●lirum a Dotard and why Marry because the Puritans saith M. Andrewes do dayly in their Sermons giue the tytle of supreme Gouernour to the King yea and do not stick to sweare somtymes to the Kinges supremacy in so much that facto saith he res tenetur the matter is cleare in fact and experience and afterward acknowledging that indeed M. Bancroft did twenty yeares agoe gather out of diuers Theses or positions of theirs some suspition that they were alienated from the Kinges supremacy yea and that perhaps it was so then he concludeth that now of late recognouerunt errores suos they haue acknowledged or recalled their errours 75. This is M. Andrews his discourse which how true it is notwithstanding his impudent asseueration thereof I do appeale to the consciences of the learneder sort of Puritans Precisians in England whether they haue of late tyme or at any tyme retracted and recanted Caluins doctrine and theirs in this point as an erour For albeit I make no doubt but that some of them may now in their sermons as others of the weaker sort of them did euen in M. Bancrofts tyme and alwayes before vse the ordinary style of his Maiesties tytle yea and that otherwyles some of them also do dispence with their cōsciences and swallow the Oath to get some Benefice or Ecclesiasticall dignity yet I assure my selfe that the more zealous and precise Puritans and especially their whole Congregatiō will not acknowledge this fact of some of them for any definition or decree of theirs or for a recantation of their doctrine and beliefe in this poynt neyther is it sufficient for the recalling of an errour of a whole sect standing still on foote as this of the Puritans yet doth that some of them chang their opinion or for feare or promotion dissemble it when the same is not ratified by some publike testimony of their whole company 76. Therefore I must now vrge M. Andrews to shew vs in what printed booke or generall decree of their Congregatiōs they haue recanted their opiniō and acknowledged it for an errour seeing that the same was published before to the world by themselues in such sort that M. Bancroft by M. Andrews his owne confession gathered it out of their owne bookes ita fortè tum fuit saith he and so perhaps it was then he meaneth 20. yeares agoe and yet you see he saith it with a perhaps as if the matter were in doubt and that perhaps it was not so But I dare say without all peraduenture that it was so not only 20. yeares agoe but also much later euen since his Maiesty came into England for I am sure there are ynough who know and remember that Burges a Puritan preacher was committed to Prison for that in a Sermon before his Maiesty he would not giue him his ordinary style and tytle of supreme Gouernour of the Church 77. But what if I produce a very substātiall witnes of their continuance in that opinion some yeares after and such a one as M. Andrews hath great reason to admit for that he stil liueth yea ruleth in the English Clergy no lesse thē M. Andrews himselfe I meane the learned Doctor and worthy superintendent M. Barlow who in his Epistle to the Ministers of Scotland prefixed to the Sermon which he prated before his Maiesty against the Puritans the 21. of September in the yeare 1606. which is not past 6. yeares agoe coupleth the Puritans with the Papists for their opinion in that point saying that Papists and Puritans will haue the King to be but an honorable member not a chiefe gouernour in the Churches of his dominions Thus saith M. Barlow whome M. Andrews must needs allow for a man of credit except he will discredit his owne occupation and ministry 78. Besides that I will adde to M. Barlow another authenticall witnes who wrote the yeare after and representeth the authority of all the Clergy of England I meane M. Thomas Rogers in his booke intytled The faith doctrine and religion professed and protected in the realme of England c. wherein he setteth downe 39. Articles agreed vpon by the whole Clergy and analised by him into propositions with a discouery and confutation as he pretendeth of all those that haue at any tyme contradicted the said articles and all this he saith was perused and by the lawfull authority of the Church of England allowed to be publike So that this is a witnes of sufficient credit if ther be any credit to be giuen to the Church and Clergy of England yea to M. Andrewes himselfe who is a principall member thereof and therefore by all lykelyhood gaue his suffrage to the approbation of M. Rogers his booke 79. This man hauing set downe the 37. Article and the second propositiō which concerneth his Maiesties Ecclesiasticall Supremacy produceth only two sorts of aduersaries to that Article to wit the Papists and the Puritans and sayth of the later thus False it is which the Puritans do hold namely that Princes must be seruants to the Church be subiect to the Church
Iesuit who confessed it yea and procure him also to giue publyke testimony of it which by all lykelyhood would haue byn done long ere this if any secular Priest Iesuit or other Catholyke man of any credit or reputation amongst Catholykes had confessed and acknowledged any such matter especially in such manner as he hath declared 85. Besydes that it is not vnknowne what Iesuits haue bin in prison of late yeares or were when he wrote whereby also it may easily be iudged by such as know them how vnlykely it is that any of them would vpon pretence to discharge his conscience charge and stayne it with such a horrible forgery as this is Neyther are we ignorant of the common practise of M. Andrews and his fellow-ministers to calumniate and slaunder such Catholike Priests and Iesuits as they haue vnder lock and key in close prison whereof sufficient experience was seene when F. Garnet was in the tower of whome a hundreth false bruits were spread not only ouer all England but also in forrein countries yea ouer all christendome And albeit he sufficiently purged and cleared himselfe at his death of all the slanderous imputatious yet M. Andrews is not ashamed still to auow some of them as that he acknowledged by writing dyuers tymes vnder his owne hand and thryse publykly at his death that he had vnderstood of the powder-treason out of confession whereas he publykely protested the contrary for being greately vrged to confesse and acknowledge that he heard it out of confession he flatly denyed it repeating thryse neuer neuer neuer and wheareas he was charged to haue already acknowledged it vnder his hand he also denyed it bidding his accusers shew it if they could and of all this I am well assured by the relation of credible persons who were there present and especially of an honorable Gentleman who stood so nere him that he heard euery word he sayd and hath vpon his credit and conscience affirmed it vnto me In so much that I dare boldly appeale for the truth of this matter to the consciences and knowledge of all those that were within the hearing of him whome I also beseech to consider what credit is to be giuen to M. Andrews his report of the other thing touching the Iesuit in prison which passed in secret seeing he is so shameles to lye concerning a publyk matter wherein he may be disproued by some hundreths of witnesses 86. But it is not to be wondered that he speaketh his pleasure of F. Garnet and other Iesuits whome he professeth to hate seeing he vseth as you haue heard to bely the ancient Fathers whom he pretendeth to loue and honour for he that belieth those whome he supposeth to be his friends will care litle what he saith of such as he holdeth for enemies And this shall suffice for this matter and Chapter wherein I doubt not but it euidently appeareth that M. Andrews will not yield a iote to M. Barlow for all kind of cosenages lyes and fraudulent deuises to couer the nakednes and pouerty of his cause THAT Mr. ANDREVVS OVERTHROWETH HIS owne cause and fortifieth ours granting many important points of Catholike Religion THAT he is turned Puritan in the point of the Kings Ecclesiasticall Supremacy and betrayeth his Maiesties cause vnder hād pretēding to defend it therfore is neyther good English Protestāt nor yet good Subiect LASTLY what is the opinion of learned Strangers concerning him and his Booke with a good aduise for a friendly farewell CHAP. X. NOvv ther resteth only one point to be handled which is of farre differēt quality from the former For thou mayst remember good Reader that amongst many things which I censured and reproued in M. Barlow I greatly allowed and approued one which is ordinary in him to wit that he doth very often ouerthrow his owne cause and fortifie ours which truly is no lesse but rather more ordinarie in M. Andrews as it may appeare by many examples which partly haue already occurred in this Adioynder and partly may be noted throughout his whole worke In the first Chapter I shewed how he confirmed though against his will the Catholick doctrine concerning the Primacy of the Pope by the allegation of certaine places of S. Augustin and S. Cyril and of a place of Deuteronomy concerninge Iosue as also of a fact of Iustinian the Emperour against Syluerius the Pope 2. In the second Chapter the same is also euident in his allegation of the 28 Canon of the Councell of Chalcedon which he seriously and mightily vrgeth against the supremacie of the Romane Sea though it doth clearly proue the same In the third Chapter the lyke occurreth in certaine places of S. Cyprian and S. Hierome by occasion whereof he is forced to graunt as much in effect as we teach concerning the supreme authority of the Pope In the fourth Chapter the discouery of certaine notable lyes and corruptions of his doth euidently proue the cleane contrary to that which he falsely auoweth concerning the Roman Sea And lastly in the last Chapter you may remember a place of S. Hierome concerning the Adoration of Reliques which being truely layd downe with the circumstances doth soundly confirme the Catholike doctrine which he sought to impugne therby wherof as also of all the former examples I forbeare to lay downe the perticulars because thou mayst good Reader eyther call them to mind or at least easily find them out by the quotations of the Chapters and numbers in the margent whereto I remit thee and will now add thereto some other examples in the same kinde 3. Whereby it will appeare that howsoeuer M. Barlow may in other poynts before mentioned goe beyond M. Andrews yet in this he cōmeth farre behynd him For you are to consider that M. Andrews seeinge euidently that the Protestants religion cannot be defended with any probabilitie in the rigour of the first groundes thereof layed by Luther Caluin and others taketh a new course which is to see how neere he can goe to the Catholyke Religion and misse it perswading himselfe that he shall be the more able in that manner to answere our obiections and find alwaies some occasion or other which how litle soeuer it be seemeth to him sufficient for he maketh account that he shall allwayes be a Protestant good enough if he be not a Catholike wherein neuertheles it befalleth him as it doth to the fly that playeth with the flame comming now and then so nere it that she burneth her winges and falleth into it whereof you shall see sufficient experience in this Chapter 4. It appeareth before that he admitteth the adoration not only of our Sauiour Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist but also of the Sacrament togeather with Christ for as he denieth with vs the adoration of the bare Sacrament that is to say the exteriour formes of bread and wyne without the presence of our Sauiour
alyue by all lyklyhood when D. Harding wrote this which was within 6. or 7. yeares after this pretended consecration at least if any of them should haue bene dead the memory of them would haue bene so fresh that M. Iewell might and no doubt would not only haue named them but also haue appealed to the knowledge and testimony of hundreths of witnesses who must needs haue knowne them and remembred this pretended Consecration which was as I haue sayd so constantly denyed by Catholikes at the same tyme that it highly imported M. Iewell and his fellowes to lay downe their best and most substantiall and authenticall proofes of it for the defence of theyr owne honour and credit of theyr whole Clergy and Cause 12. This then being so I report me to the iudgment of any indifferent man what credit M. Masons new found register deserueth being produced now after fifty and odd yeares to testify this consecration whereof not so much as any one witnes was named nor any register pretended by those whom it most imported to proue it within 5. or 6. yeares after it was supposed to be done 13. And therefore seeing it pleaseth M. Andrewes to say of S. Ephraems Tomes translated by Vossius that they are Crypticae fidei because they were found in Crypta ferrata and M. Barlow in his pleasant humour iesteth at an Authour alledged by Cardinall Baroniꝰ out of a manuscript calling him a Corner-creeping relatour and a Vatican deske-creeper as also others of our aduersaries are wont to reiect what soeuer we alledge out of the manuscripts of the Vatican other Libraries vpon no better ground but because they will needes haue an vncharitable or rather malicious conceipt and imagination of fraudulent dealing in vs I hope it will not seeme to any reasonable man vnreasonable or strange that vpon so good ground and reason as I haue heere declared I take a mayne exception to this Register of M. Masons vntill he or some of his fellowes do shew the same to some learned discreet and sincere Catholikes who vpon the view and due consideration thereof may giue iudgement and testimonie of the truth and validity of it 14. For I doubt not but that it will easily appeare whether it be an olde and authenticall Register as well by the antiquity of the booke and letter and the formalities requisite thereto as also by the matters antecedent and consequent to this pretended Consecration For as there were many things no doubt done before worth the Registring so also diuers thinges haue passed since in the space of 55. yeares which wil be found in their due order place whereby the validity of the pretended Register may be the more easily discerned therefore I say let it be shewed and in recompence thereof I promise as well in my owne behalfe as for other Catholikes heere in Rome that if any English Protestant come hither as many do dayly and shall desire to see any manuscript in Rome alledged by any Catholike authour we will procure him ample satisfaction therein and doe him what other seruice we may as we are wont to doe to all our louing countrymen that come into these parts which many Noblemen and Gentlemen of great reputation and some of the greatest who haue receiued courtesy and seruice at our hands may and no doubt will testify And thus much I haue thought good to say to M. Masons Register in generall leauing the particuler examination and answere thereof to such Catholikes as shall haue the sight of it and occasion withall to treate of the matter which it handleth as I doubt not but some will haue ere it be long Faultes escaped in the Printing Pag. 22. lin 12. much confirmed by these very places c. sic corrig● much confirmed euen by those Fathers to wit S. Augustine c. Also in the marginall note which is The places of 3. Fathers alleaged c. corrige The 3. Fathers alleaged c. Pag. 24 lin 12. So that saith this famous dele that Pag. 31. lin 11. of the Citty read of that Citty Pag 40. lin 16. saying read suyng Pag. 48. lin penult from the subiection of the Church to the Roman Sea read from subiection to the Roman Sea Pag. 69. lin 12. out of the booke read out of the backside of the booke Pag. 75. lin 28. I haue also shewed read where I haue also shewed Pag 130. lin 11. notice read motiue● Pag. 139. lin 11. schisme and therby c. read schisme which as you haue heard M. Andrewes himself confesseth and therby c. Pag. 140. lin 2. break read breaking Pag. 142. lin 4. fauour read feruour Pag. 143. lin 13. Power of the Church read Pastour of the Church Pag. 147. lin 24. where it is said as S. Fulgentius S. Augustines scholler and others those wordes must be placed in the margent for a citation thus See S. Fulgentius c. Pag. 191. lin 11. saith S. Augustine read saith of S. Augustine Pag. 238. lin 22. which faith read with faith Pag. 268. lin 24. vnswerable read vnanswerable Pag. 378. lin 18 seeme read seene Pag. 380. lin vlt. taught read caught Pag. 383. lin 1. when in it is read when it is Pag. 395. lin 1. quod per read quos per. Pag. 418. lin 21. by noted read be noted A TABLE OF THE PRINCIPALL MATTERS HANDLED IN THIS ADIOYNDER A ADORATION diuersly mentioned in Scripture 371.373.376 S. Ambrose his proofe of S. Peters Supremacy out of the words Pasce oues meas pag. 8. abused by M. Andrews 281.282.283 Anatolius Bishop of Constantinople censured by Pope Leo. p. 62.63 His submission p. 65. M. Andrewes his abuse of S. Augustin S. Ambrose p. 5.6.7 8.18.415 His vayne braggs p. 9. his beggarly proofe of Princes spirituall Supremacy p. 12. sauours of Iudaisme ibid. His egregious equiuocation pag. 13. confounded by his owne Instance pag. 14. How he is a pecuniary Pastour pag. 16. His abuse of S. Cyril pag. 19. His shuttlecocks fools bolts pag. 24. His abuse of the Law Inter Claras p. 33.34.35 38. His belying and corrupting the Councell of Calcedon pag. 40.43 82. his Galli-maufrey or hoch-potch pag. 79. his strang paradox pag. 75. His strayning of the Greeke text● ib. His cause ouerthrowne by himself pag 89. his seared conscience p. 97. His foolish Glosse fraud vpon S. Cyprian pag. 102.105 c. His abuse of Cardinall Bellarmine pag. 113.116.117.355 His professiō of Iouianisme 120. His idle head pag. 130. His impertinent trifling pag. 1●8 His trifling tale of Latinos pag. 144 His zeale greater then his wit pag 154. His Trāsmarinus Nemo pag. 162. His Father a Father of lyes 192. proued a wrangler cap. 5. 6. pertotum he ouerthroweth all subordination in the Church 198. His petty frauds 202. his phantasticall conceipts 203. His dull head 204. His 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 207.360 greatly troubled with litle words 208. His ●igh● in the ayre
vt cōmig Beethlem S. Dionys. Eccles. Hierar ca. 10. S. Basil. Ep. 1. ad Monach. lapsum in fine in ep ad Virgin laps Idem reg 14. fusius explic S. Aug. in psal 75. ante finem Ioan Cass. de Iustit renūti li 4. c. 13. See supl. c. 7. nu 59. 60. M. Andrews approuing the first institute of monks approueth many important points of Catholke Religion See Card. Bellar. l. de monachis c. 42 43. seq (b) See Supplem Chap 7. n. 58 59.60 (a) Luther in colloqu Germa c. de matrimo (b) Idem to 8. de matrimo fol. 119. (c) Idem de Bigamia Episcop proposit 62. Itē Ochinus dialog l. 2. dial 21. See Caluinoturcis l. 2. cap. 11. (d) Bucer in cap. 1. 19. Mat. (e) 1. Tim. ● (f) Tertul. lib. de monogam c. 13. S. Epiphanius lib. 2. haeres 61. in fine S. Chrysost. hom 19. in 1. Cor. 7. in 1. Tim. 8. hom 15. S. Aug. in Psal. 75. Itē Concil Carthag 4. can 104. (g) S. Basil. de vera virginitate The first Euangelists of the Protestants Ghospell were the true Locusts that destroyed religiou● profession and perfection That the name Catholike belongeth only to the Apostolike Roman Church to the children thereof Andr. c. 5. pag. 125. §. Quod affert (a) See Chap. 4. nu 57.58 sequent (b) Ibid. nu 61. Magdeb. cent 4. c. 10. Socrat. l. 4. c. 30. (c) Cap. 4. nu 62. (d) Ibid. nu 63. (e) Ibid. nu 58. 59. Bellar. d● Pont. Rō l. 4. ca. 8. 11. (a) Idem Resp. ad Apolog. p. vlt. (b) Pa●id Ep. ad Sympronian (c) S. Ciril Hier. c. 18. (d) Aug. in lib cōtra ep Fūdamē cap. ●● Andr. c. 5. p. 125. Nam quae Andr. vbi supra M. Andr. his distinction helpeth him nothing Aug. vbi supra Item de vera religione c. 7. Luc. c. 19. Andr. c. 7. pa. 168. §. Nam de nostr (b) Barl. Ser. an 1606. 21. Septemb. (c) See before chap. 6. nu 77. (d) See Suppl Chap. 4. nu 54.55 seq (f) Suppl ca. 5. nu 2.3.4 5. What a beggarly Church Clergy the Sectaries haue in England See Supl. vbi supra nu 5. See Supl. vbi supra nu 6. S. Hieron aduers. Lucifer Iohn 10. (c) See before nu 35. also Suppl chap. 4 nu 54.55 seq Luc. 19. (b) Chap. 6● nu 81● (d) Chap. 3. nu 37. sequent What a poore cōceipt M. Andrews hath of the Kings ecclesiasticall supremacy Andr. c. 1. pag 21. §. Neque tam● Ibidem Ibid. p. 29. §. A● recepta The Ecclesiastical Supremacy of temporall Princes may be in M. Andrews his Pater noster but is not in his Creed The oath of the supremacy vnlawful if the supremacy be no matter of faith Aureol in 3. dist 39● Ang. verb. periurium See Nauar. manuale c. 12. nu 3. Suarez de relig Tom. 2. li. 3. ca. 4. nu 7. Card. c. 1. pag. 7. Andr. c. 1. p. 22. §. Sed. nec M. Andrews his grosse ignorance S. Aug. Quaest. in Leuit. li. 3. quaest 23. Num. 2● M. Andrew his notorious malice in the abuse of holy Scripture Deut. 17. See c. 6. nu 68.69.70 See Suppl c. 1. nu 10. seq (g) Ibid. nu ●4 seq (h) Ibid. nu 3● seq (i) nu 44. (k) nu 45. 50. (l) nu 49. seq (m) nu 3● seq (n) nu 28. seq (o) nu 53.54.55 56. (p) See sup Chap. 1. nu 83. 84. It cannot be shewed how Kings af●ter they were Christened came to haue the gouernment of the Church The Ecclesiasticall supremacy of temporall Princes excluded by a rule of M. Andrewes● Andr. c. 1. pag. 37. §. Verùm M. Andrewes doth not allow any spirituall authority to the King Andr. ci 14. p● 323. lin 33. (d) nu 37. Ibid. c. 1. p. 21. §. nequ● tamen What manner of Ecclesiasticall power M. Andrewe● acknowledgeth in temporall Princes A Pagan Prince hath as much authoritie ouer the Church as M Andrewes alloweth to his Maiestie An. 26. Hen. 8. ● 1. The Parliament Statutes giue spirituall authority to the Kings Queens of England Ibidem The Lord Cromwel Vicar General to K. Henry the 8. for th● exercise of his spirituall Iurisdictio●● An. 1. Elizab. c. 1. Spirituall Iurisdiction grāted to Q. Elizabeth by the Parliament An. 1. Elizab. c. 1. An. 1. Edward 6. c. 2. All the Spirituall Iurisdiction and authoritie of the Clergy of England declared by a statute to be deryued from the Prince M. Andrewes depriueth the Kings Maiesty of all the spirituall authority that the Parliaments haue giuen him (a) See before chap. ● nu 13. (b) suppl c. 1. nu 18.19 seq (c) Num. ● (d) Deut. 10. 18. (e) Numer 8. (f) Suppl c. 1. from nu 10. to 53. (g) Ibid. nu 51.52 K. Saul had no authority ouer the hygh Priest S. Aug. in psal 51. Andr. Tort. Torti p. 151. An. 26. Hen. 8. c. 1. an 1. Eliz ca. 1. The King might according to the statut excōmunicate an heretyke as well as any Bishop (d) Supra nu 53. The King could not giue the power of censure to other if he had it not in himfelse See suppl c. 6● nu 61. M. Andrews neyther good Subiect nor good English Protestant A great difference to be noted betwixt M. Andrews his deniall of the Kings supremacy and ours Act. 5. M. Andrews hath no such obligation to deny the Kings supremacy as we haue M. Andrews lyke to a treacherous frend or a preuaricating aduocate M. Andrews doth vnderhand betray the Kings cause Why M. Andrewes is no good English Protestant See cōstitut and Canons Ecclesiasticall printed by Rob. Barker Anno. 1604. Can. 2. M. Andrewes seemeth to be turned Puritan in the point of the K. Supremacy The Oath of the Puritans of Scotland set forth in the yeare 1584. What difference may be noted betwixt M. Andrews and the Puritans Both Catholikes Puritans are better Subiects then M. Andrews (a) Card. Apol. ca. 1. pag. 10 (b) Andr. c. 1. p. 30. §. Postremo (c) Ibid §. Nec habet See c. 6. n. 78.79 The Puritans doctrine cōcerning the Kings subiectiō to their Presbytery The pretended reformed churches do not allow in tēporall Princes any such spirituall authority as our Parlamēts haue grāted to our Kings M. Andrews professing the doctrine of the Puritans and reformed Churches concerning the Kings supremacy denieth it to be spirituall (b) supr● nu 47. (c) nu 37. M. Andrews no English Protestant but a flat Puritan The learned English Protestāts ashamed o● their wōted doctrine cōcerning the Ecclesiasticall supremacy of tēporall Princes See befor● nu 35. ● chap. 6. nu 77. M. Barl. seemeth to make the King head of the Church no otherwyse thē as the Pagan Emperours were M. Barlow and M. Andrews like to the Scorpion and why The opinion of the learned strangers concerning M. Andrewes his bookes against Cardinall Bellarmine M. Andrews gerally disliked for his obscurity● M. Andrewes compared for his obscurity to a fish called a Cuttle Plyn l. 9. ca. 29. A good aduise for a frendly farewell to M. Andrews (b) Se sup ca. 8. nu 100. seq (c) Ibid. nu 103. 104. (d) Ibid. nu 105. seq (f) Mat. 16. Mar. 8. Touching the cause and subiect of this Appendix See Suppl p. 208. nu 3 Adioy●d ca. 10. nu 35. The exception taken by Catholik● to the first Protestant Bishopes in Q. Elizabeth● dayes i● no new quarrell D. Hard. confut of the Apolog par 2. fol. 59. printed an Dom. 1565. D. Hardings chaleng to M. Iewell cōcerning the consecration of the first Protestant Bishops D. Staplet return of vntru fol. 130. lin 26. D. Stapletons chalenge to M. Iewell and M. Horne touching their cōsecration Idem counterblast fol. 301. An. 1. Elizab ca. 1. M. Horne answered nothing cōcerning his consecration Iewell defence of the Apology pag. 130. M. Iewels ambiguous and weak answere touching his lawfull consecration How much it imported M. Iewell to haue proued the consecration of their Archbishop Doct. Har. detect fol. 234. p. 2. Touching M. Iewels irresolute ambiguous indirect answere How much it imported the first Protestant Bishops to haue had a publick most solemne Consecration How improbably M. Mason affirmeth out of his Registers that 4. Bishops consecrated M. Parker the first Archbishop How litle credit M. Masons new-found Register deserueth Andr. Resp. ad Apol. p. 41. §. proximi Barl. answ● to a name Catholike p. 283. With how great reason exception is to be takē to M. Masōs Register vntill he shew it to Catholiks who may giue testimony of it What is to be considered in M. Masōs Register to make it autēticall An offer to shew any manuscript in Rome to English Protestāts