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Citt and Bumpkin in a dialogue over a pot of ale concerning matters of religion and government
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L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704.
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Wing L1216; ESTC R15090
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Cause if you can but produce any One Material Point which he hath either Falsify'd Palliated or Omitted in the whole Proceeding But to be plain with you Citt One of the Authours of your Preface is a Common setter a Forger of Hands a little spy upon the Swan in Fishstreet a Hackny Sollicitor against both Church and State You know this to be true Citt and that I do not speak upon Guess so that Calumny and False Witnessing is the best part of that Authours Trade And then the pretended History is a direct Arraignment of the Government He takes up the King and Council Pag. 381. reflects upon the Iudges in the very Contents and elsewhere he descants upon the Duke of York in opposition to the express sense and declaration of the Bench Pag. 145. and has the confidence yet to Dedicate this Gally-mawfry of audacious slanders to the Two Houses of Parliament There is little more in the whole then what has been eaten and spew'd up again Thirty times over and the intire work is only a Medly of Rags and Solaecisms pick'd up out of Rubbish and most suitably put together Citt. You may take his part as ye please But there 's a Famous Lecturer charg'd him Publiquely for Popery in his Answer to the Appeal and for falling upon Dr. Lloyd True He did so but at the same time that Lecturer found no fault with the Appeal it self and the best on 't is his Tongue 's no more a slander then his Pen And whoever reads what he has written concerning the Late King and the Episcopal Church will think never the worse of L'Estrange for what he says Now for the Reverend Dean of Bangor I dare say he never spake or thought of him but with Veneration Let me see the book Look ye here 't is pag. 18. in L'Estrange's Impression and 't is pag. 15. in this and here 's the Point Their Loyalty and Good service paid to the King says the Appealer speaking of the Papists was meerly in their own Defence Now see L'Estrange's Reply upon it If it lies says he as a Reproach upon them that they did not serve the King out of Loyalty that which they did was yet better then not serving him at all and better in a Higher degree still then Fighting against him And a little after It is worth the Observation that not a man drew his Sword in the opposite Cause who was not a Known Separatist and that on the Other side not one Schismatick ever struck stroke in the Kings Quarrell And now for your Notes upon his Answer they are so silly that it were Ridiculous to Reply upon 'um who knows says he but the Regicides were Papists in disguise pag. 19. And a deal of such senselesse stuff enough to turn a bodies Stomach And if you 'd inform your self of his Malice look ye here pag. 4. p. 9. and p. 33. how he Palliates if not Justifies the Late Rebellion the Murther of the Arch-Bishop of St. Andrews and the drawing of the Sword against the King Briefly 't is an Insipid Bawling piece of Foolery from One end to the Other And it is not but that I highly approve of your Zeal for the Discovery of the Plot and Suppressing of Popery but we are not yet to Trample upon Laws and Publique Orders for the attaining even of those Glorious ends But now I think on 't deal freely with me did you really go to the Registers ye spake of to furnish Names for your Subscriptions Citt. No That was but a Flourish but all the Rest we Literally did True Are not you Conscious to your selves of your Iniquities who made You a Commissioner for the Town or You for the Country But we are like to have a fine business of it when the Dreggs of the People set up for the Representatives of the Nation to the Dishonour of the most Considerable and Sober part of the Kingdome Pre'thee Bumpkin with thy Poles and Baltiques how shouldst thou come to understand the Ballance of Empires who are Delinquents and who not the Right of Bishops Votes And You forsooth are to Teach the King when to call a Parliament and when to let it alone And are not you a fine Fool i' the mean time to Drudg fot the Faction that Sets ye on to be afterwards made a slave for your pains And then for You Citt with your Mouldy Records your Co-ordinate Estates and your Sovereign Power of the People Do not I know all your Fallacies your Shifts and Hiding-holes There 's not one step you set but I can trace you in 't You have your Spies upon all Libraries as well as Conversations your Agents for the procuring of old Manuscripts and Records and for the Falsifying of New ones to make them look like Old Ones Nay the Papers of State themselves had much ado to scape ye Those that assert the Iust Rights of the Crown you either Bury or Conceal only Publishing the Presidents of Seditious Times in Vindication of such Principles Citt. I must confess I take the Government to be Co-ordinate and the King One of the Three Estates with submission to be better inform'd True If it be so how comes it that the House of Commons even in their most Popular seasons have still own'd the Crown of England to be Imperial How comes it that all our Laws are call'd the Kings Laws all our Courts of Iustice his Majesties Courts and all Publick Causes try'd in the Kings Name and by the Authority of his Majesty Citt. But have not the Two Houses their share in the Legislative Power True You must distinguish betwixt the Consent and the Sanction the Preparatory Part is Their's the Stamp is the Kings The Two Houses Consent to a Bill It is only a Bill when it is presented and it remains yet a Bill even when the King has Consented to it and in this Common Consent in Order to a Law the Two Houses may be said to share with his Majesty But then the Fiat that superinduces an Authority and is Only and Properly the Act of Legislation is singly in the King So that though they share in the Consent they have no pretence at all to the Sanction which is an Act of Authority the other but of Agreement And yet again admitting your Coordination First every King runs the hazzard of his Crown upon every Parliament he calls For That Third Estate lies at the Mercy of the Other Two And further 't is a kinde of Ringing the Changes with the Government the King and Lords shall be Uppermost One day the King and Commons Another and the Lords and Commons the Third For in this Scale of Constitution whatsoever the One will not the Other Two may Citt. Well but Ours is a MIXT Government and we are a Free People Tru. If ours be a Mixt Government so as to any Popular Participation of Power with the King then it
Balderno ye should say Speak Statutable English ye Fool you Thou think'st perhaps that the people will not believe it Observe but what I say to thee let it but be put into the Protestant Domestique that his Imperiall Majesty is to hold up his hand at the Kings Bench-barr for 't and let me be Dogs-meat if they do not swallow That too Why pre'thee Bumkin we must make 'um believe stranger Things than This or we shall never do our businesse They must be made to believe that the King intends to play the Tyrant that all his Counsellors are Pensioners to the French King that all his Enemies are turn'd his Friends o' th sodain and all his Friends his Enemies That Prelacy is Anti-Christian all our Clergy-men Papists the Liturgy the masse-Masse-Book and that the Ten Commandments are to be read backward Bum. Blesse me Citt what do I hear Citt. Come come Sirrah y' are under an Oath and This is the plain Truth on What is it to Thee and Me I pre'thee whether the Great Ministers be True or False Or what Religion the Clergy are of so long as their Livings ye Rogue are Orthodox and their Offices well-Affected Bum. This does Qualifie I must confesse But you were saying that the First Clamour should be levell'd at some Known and Eminent Papists Now what comes after That I beseech you Citt. You may safely Mark all Their Friends then for Popishly-Affected and so consequently on all that Love them and all that They Love When this Opinion is once started 't is an Easy matter by the help of Invention and Story to improve it and by this means we shall come in a short time to secure all the Councils of the Nation to our Party that are chosen by Suffrage If you were read in History you would sinde that still as the Papists set the House on fire the Non-conformists took the Opportunity of rosting their own Eggs. Bum. Yes yes I understandye As for Example now One goes to the Lords in the Tower another as you were saying drinks the Dukes Health a Third prays for the Queen a Fourth Phansies Two Plots a Fifth refuses the Petition a Sixth speaks well of my Lord Chief Justice or calls the Protestant Domestick a Libel All these now are Popishly-Affected Citt. Save your breath Bumpkin and take all in one word whosoever will not do as we would have him shall be made so But now to the matter of Invention and Story I hate the over-hearing of Discourses in Blinde Allyes and such ordinary Shams I 'm rather for coming downright to the Man and to the Poynt after the way of the Protestant Domestique Bum. Ay ay There 's your free Speaker Well Citt the King wants such men about him But pre'thee hear me Is it certain his Majesty has Lent the King of France Three Millions Citt. No no some Two and a half or thereabouts Bum. Why if the King would but make a League now with the Swiss to keep the Turk off That way and another with the Protestants in Hungary to keep off the French the whole world could never hurt us Citt. Nay that 's true enough but then the Pole lies so damnably betwixt Us and the Baltique Bum. I 'de not value that a Half-penny so long as we have the Waldenses to Friend Citt. And then New-England lies so conveniently for Provisions But what do you think of drawing Nova Scotia and Geneva into the Alliance Bum. Ay but there 's no hope of that so long as the King follows these Counsells Citt. Thou art a great Read man I perceive in the Interests of States Bum. I have always had a phansy to Stows Survey of London and those kinde of Books Citt. But Good Bumpkin what 's thy Opinion of the Bishops Votes in Case of Life and Death Bum. Ay or in Cases of Heaven and Hell either Why as true as thou art a man Citt we have but three Protestant Bishops in the Nation and I am told they are warping too Citt. Prethee why should we look for any Protestant Bishops in the Kingdom when there 's no Protestant Episcopacy in the World but for all this we may yet live to see the Rufling of their Lawn sleeves Bum. Oh now I think on 't didst thou ever reade the Story of Moses and the Ten Tables Citt. The Two Tables in the Mount thou mean'st Bum. Gad I think 't is the Two Tables I read it in Print to'ther day in a very good Book that as sure as thou art alive now the Bishops in Henry the 8th made the Ten Commandments Citt. Why that was the reason Bumpkin when the Lords and Commons put down Bishops they put down the Ten Commandments too and made New ones of their Own And dost not thou take notice that they put down the Lords Prayer too because 't was akinn to the Popish Pater-Noster and then for the Creed they cast it quite out of the Directory Bum. Now as thou lay'st it down to me the Case is as clear as Christal And yet when I 'm by my self sometime I 'm so affraid methinks of being Damn'd Citt. What for ye Fop you Bum. Why for Swearing Lying Dissembling Cheating Betraying Defaming and the like Citt. Put it at worst do not you know that every man must have his Dos of Iniquity And that what you take out in One way you abate for in another as in Profaning Whoring Drinking and so forth Suppose you should see POYSON set in Capital Letters upon seaven Vials in a Laboratory 't were a madness I know for any man to venture his Life upon 'um without a Taster But having before your Eyes so many Instances of men that by drinking of these Poysonous Liquors out of a Consumptive half-starv'd and Heart-broken Condition grow Merry Fat and Lusty would not you venture too Imagine These Seven Waters to be the Seven Deadly Sins and then make your Application Bum. Nay the Case is plain enough and I cannot see why that should be a Poyson to me that 's a Preservative to Another Only our Adversaries twit us with Objections of Law forsooth and Religion Citt. Wherefore the Discipline of the Late Times sav'd a great deal of puzzle Mr. Prynn sent His Clients to Mr. Case for Religion and Mr. Case in requital sent His to Mr. Pryn for Law which kept up a concord among the Well-affected But your Lesson in both these Cases falls into a very Narrow compass Bum. Pray'e let it be Plain that I may understand it and short that I may Remember it Citt. Keep close only to these Three Positions First that the King is One of the Three Estatos Secondly that the Sovereign Power is in the People and Thirdly that it is better to obey God then Man These Fundamentals will serve to guide ye in allmost any dispute upon this Matter that can occur to you Bum. But what becomes of me if my Adversaries should turn the question another way