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A88837 The lip of truth opened, against a dawber with untempered morter. A few words against a book, written by Magnus Bine priest, in the county of Sussex, which he calls, The scornful quakers answered, &c. But he himself is found the scorner, and the lyer, charging me with things I never spoke, nor never entered into my heart to speak. / Tho. Lawson. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1656 (1656) Wing L725; Thomason E889_9; ESTC R206504 49,355 60

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and the power is God Immanuel God with us and his Temple is holy 1 Cor. 3.17 that power that commands things contrary to that in the Conscience that is not the power of God that is not the higher power but the power that is from below and that is not it that the soul is to be subject to Shadrach M●shack and Abednego the King commanded them to worship his golden Image they said O Nebuchadn●zzar we are not careful to answer the in this matter c. O King say they we will not worship thy golden Image Dan. 3. Now they were no plotters against his person but that which commanded them to worship an Idol that was not the power that every soul is to be subject to so for conscience sake they could not obey it and Daniel could not obey the decree of Darius made in his will Dan. 6. but Daniel his soul being subject to the higher power for conscience sake he could not obey the commands of the will of Darius though a King Thou saies I call the soul the first born page 133. I answer Oh thou shameless man will not all that see thy Book and read it over witness against thee to be a lyar what I spoke of the soul thou hast printed it page 103. did not I write it that is to say the soul the first born knows not nor the pretiousness of it and this thou hast printed yet is thy mind so envious that thou will slander though to thy own shame so that I may say of thee Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the Leopard his spots then may thou who art accustomed to lie speak the truth the first born the first man which is of the earth earthly he knows not the soul nor the pretiousness of it but Christ who is the first born among many brethren he is the Saviour of the soul Rom 8.29 if thou knew what our feet are shod withall thou would see that thy bryars and thy thorns cannot hurt us Thou calls the soul a ceature a little map of the great world page 104. I answer What thou saies 't is thy own speech and I deny it so shew me a Scripture calling the soul a creature or a little map of the great World and shame with thy practises who saith thou art a Minister of Christ Where did ever Minister of Christ sprinkle Infants or hire one in his place to do it shame with thy practises who for filthy lucres sake will uphold popish Inventions who under a shew of differing from the Priests of the Nation will not sprinkle infants but can hire one to do it for thee or spare them of a parcel of their Tyth wage that they may get it done for them such dissembling treacherous juggling works never Minister of Jesus was found in who were of God would not bow to mens inventions for filthy lucres sake Thou saies by my saying it appears that the saving of the soul is as much in mans power as the losing of it page 106. I answer The Saviour of the soul is Christ Jesus and Christ came not by the will of man neither is he known by the will of man and iniquity is the bond that Christ redeems the soul from and thou that lives in cov●tous practises in folly pride selfishness the bond of iniquity thou sees not yet loosed so the saving of the soul thou knows not which is not in mans will nor in mans power but by Christ alone and none comes to him but as the Father draws him Iohn 6.44 but one of the crooked generation thou art who resists the drawing of the Lord so in thy will thou lives where covetousness folly and selfishness is brought forth there is the losing of the soul and what before I spoke thou shall know to be true but thou must wrangle but we have a hiding place under the wings of the Almighty from all Kites and Ravenous Birds Thou saies The Word or Spirit of God takes away the stubbornness of the Will and bows it to follow the light sprung up in the mind an so heals that power to page 107. I answer These be thy own words which thou hast no Scripture for and where the will of God is lived in flesh is crucified and the will of the flesh not bowed to follow the light as thou saies nor healed but flesh is crucified and the will thereof where he is known in whom the fathers will is done Gal. 5.24 Joh. 1.12 13. 't is the sheep that follows Christ not the will which is enmity against God 't is the broken heart he healeth not the stubborn will and thou that lives in folly selfishnesse and covetous practises thou art taken captive by the will of the wicked one 2 Tim. 2.26 and wounding thou must know not healing and there was a time when some tendernesse was in thee and deceit in some measure was seen and put off but the beast his wound was healed and the men of the world more wonder after thee than before Thou saies I would have the Magistrates stand for a cipher page 76. I answer He that wills enters not and our desires is that the Magistrates may wait to receive Christ the power of God and may not satisfie the wills of proud covetous persecuting men but that in the will of God they may rule contrary to mans will and judge the cause of the oppressed and be a praise to them that do well and a terrour to them that do evil so shall they have the praise of God Thou tells of a Will which is the seat of action obedience and doing either good or evil page 108. I answer As if good and evil came out of one seat the will this is it the Ranters would have believed that all that is acted is done by one power though man may call one thing evil and another good as saith Magnus Bine the will is the seat of action obedience and doing either good or evil but the Scripture saith there is a good tree that beareth good fruit and a corrupt tree corrupt fruit Matth. 7. and the good tree cannot bring forth corrupt fruit the corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit and thou who confesses thy folly selfiishnesse and covetous practises what tree art thou seeing the good tree it cannot bring forth corrupt fruit and thou that would have the will to be the seat of doing good or evil I leave thee with this and let the Reader and thy hearers take notice of it Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter can the figg-tree bear olive berries either a vine figgs so can no fountain yield salt water and fresh Jam. 3 vers 11 12. Thou tells of a Fancy which is the seat of all the innumerable thoughts and imaginations that spring up in the heart of man page 108. I answer This is a lye for in all the Scriptures thou dost not read that Fancy is the seat of thoughts
lies scandals slanders aspersions to the world so it is meet that the Reader consider from whence thy message came from a risen Devil as thou confesses and the Devil is a liar from the be ginning and it may be well that thy two Parish hearers consider who is their Teacher and to whom they give their tyth no marvel if thou lie of us and plead for titles of honour tyth and unneedful gaudy attire seeing thou confesses the Devil is risen in thee so out of thy mouth thou casts water as a flood after us but we have a place in the clefts of the Rock so us thou cannot touch our heads are lifted up above many waters Thou sayes The elect Seed Lucifer he cannot he must not deceive totally and finally Page 117. I answer The elect Seed is not known of the world but it the world alwayes hated and by thy generation it alwayes suffered and now God is risen for his Elects sake and it he is redeeming and it denies thee and all the seed of evil doers so is grief riling in thy bosome against it so ye simple ones love the simplicity of the Gospel be sober be vigilant for your adversary the Devil is risen high in Magnus Bine as he confesses and many thousands to devour and betray you of your birthright so hold fast so shall none take your Crown Thou sayes I scoff at the worship not in my Temples made with hands and that I roar in the midst of my Congregations against many of the most precious Saints of God Page 118. I answer In Temples made with hands God dwels not Acts 17. nor in your Popish houses who have cast our them but uphold their Idol and buy and sell in it the worship in Spirit and in truth we own and none else and in that thou sayes I roar against the most precious Saints of God that is a lie and adds to the number of thy lies the Saints I own but such as live in rage violence and imaginations which thou cals Saints such I bear witness against that they may be convinced and when a lost sheep is found I am glad Thou sayes I seek to bring all into confusion and to make all the name of Religion a very scorn among the Heathen Page 118. I answer This is a lie among the rest and in as much as the Devil is raised in thee thou must spue out thy venom cast out thy floods and the truth finds thee and all thy fellow builders to be in confusion one setting up his opinion and another throwing it down Babels builders building up and throwing down all in several opinions so that your own hearers say they know not what to cleave to among you you are so contrary minded and that Religion which keeps out of the worlds spots I own Jam. 1.27 and this thou and all thy Saints are out of who be in rage violence and imaginations and the Devil who is the Author of all filthy spots being raised up in thee thou rails preaches and prints and writes against them that witness this Religion to make the Heathen more bitter against it and all that known not God are Heathen and he that sins hath neither seen God nor known God 1 John 3 6. So thou that lives in thy covetous practises in the worlds spots art a Heathen but thou can give a meaning to this Scripture because the worlds spots it owns not and thou that bridles not thy tongue but pours out lie after lie thy Religion is vain Jam 1.26 Thou inquires Whether ever Christ commanded to preach the light of Nature instead of the light of Grace Page 122. I answer Them that Christ sent forth preached Christ 2 Cor. 4.5 and Christ we preach who is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world Iohn 1.9 and he cried out against such as thou art who art called of man Master stands praying in the Synagogues loves greetings in the Markets c. Math. 23 and against such we witness and he is the true light and all other thy lights be darkness so in Christ the true light we deny them Thou inquires Whether ever Christ commanded to preach up the power and freedom and will of man Page 122. I answer Those he sent preached himself whom no man in his will could ever receive and thou who art called of men Master art in thy own will so receives him not but stumbles at him a man of sorrows acquainted with gref this is he whom none in their power and will ever could receive for no man comes to him but as the Father draws Iohn 6.44 but the disobedient resist his drawings Thou inquires Where did Christ command to preach op our merits holiness and observations and to make his bloud and cross a scorn among the Heathen Page 122. I answer Never for in Christ we are accepted and that freely without any works of man or merits or self-holiness and the Kingdom of God comes not with observations and his bloud alone cleanseth from sin and his cross is the power of God to salvation this we affirm and that thou whose mind is in earthly things in covetous practises as thou confesses art an enemy to the cross of Christ Phil. 3.18 19. Thou inquires Where ever Christ called the Scriptures letter ink and paper Page 122. I answer That the Scriptures are called the letter in many places it is to be found if thou deny it hereafter I shall shew it thee but if thou be offended at me for calling it so let the Reader consider how it can be an offence in me so to call it and not in thee who all over thy book calls it the letter yea six or seven times in one leaf side and 2 Epist Iohn 12 I would not write with paper and ink so to search into all the lies and filthy stuffe in thy book it would be tedious for the Reader to read Thou sayes Michael durst not bring railing accusations against the Devil knowing that as he is a Creature he hath his life and being in God but as he turned into self and pride c. so he became a Devil FINIS
THE Lip of Truth Opened Against a Dawber with untempered Morter A few words against a Book written by Magnus Bine Priest in the County of Sussex which he calls The scornful Quakers answered c. But he himself is found the Scorner and the Lyer charging me with things I never spoke nor never entered into my heart to speak THO. LAWSON Then said they come and let us devise devices against Jeremiah for the Law shall not perish from the Priest nor Counsel from the wise nor the Word from the Prophet come and let us smite him with the tongue and let us not give heed to any of his words Jer. 18.18 London Printed for Giles Calvert and are to be sold at the Black-spread Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1656. THE Lip of Truth Opened Against a Dawber with untempered Morter MAGNUS BINE AS for all thy unsavory unseasoned unwholesome speeches lying slandering and false accusing words against me all over thy book and others and thy scornful speeches which thou charges me withal I say each one who grows up in that which is contrary to the will of man have Salt in themselves to savor withal and discerne between envious words and sharp and sound reproof against deceit and deceivers such thou cannot hurt nor thy inchantments cannot prevail but to strengthen the hands of evil doers is thy work and where the just is moving and desires begot to come out of iniquity which is a bond thou utters lies and deceit so sowes to the flesh that the bond of iniquity should not be broken so that none by the may be deceived do I this write and the truth declare what ever thou judge of it that in thy own conscience and all consciences as it rises shall answer it and bear witness to it thou hast erred from the spirit as Balaam did and read Balak his nature hath prevailed with thee to oppose the Israel of God and defie them for love to the earth and though thou may speak against Balaam yet when that in thy conscience arises which now is covered with thick earth thou shall read thy abomination to be above his he said if Balak would give him his house full of silver and gold he could not go beyond the word of the Lord his God to do lesse or more Numb 22.18 but contrary to the word and contrary to that in thy conscience art thou lying against slandering and defying them whom God hath and will bless and all this for thy two Parish Tyth and whether thou be in Balaams steps yea or nay let that in thy conscience judge and thy own confession who confesses thou lives in covetous practices as in thy book page 51. and if covetous practices be not in Balaams steps I leave it to all the wise in heart to judge and if ever thy eye be opened thou shalt see that it is Israel who abides in his tents which thou utters so many unsavory words against who cannot but testifie against thy even thy covetous practices which thou sayes thou lives in In thy Epistle to the Reader thou exhorts him not to sin I say the Reader that sins not will deny thee who lives in covetous practices and see thee to be an Idolater though thou say thou art annointed to preach Covetousness is Idolatry Col. 3.5 and covetousness was not as much as once to be named among the Saints Ephes 5.3 much lesse to be lived in as thou doth as thou saith of thy self and the Reader that reads over thy book may see that though thou exhort him not to sin yet in several places of thy book thou saies no Saint is or can be without sin while he is upon earth so he may tell thee thou art in confusion a sayer and not a doer who bids him not sin yet tells in thy book thou art in covetous practices so an Idolater a pittiful example among thy flock let that in thy conscience and thy words be witness and by the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every thing be established Again thou bids him long to see the new earth wherein dwells righteousness I answer the Reader that sees the new earth where righteousness dwells he will see the in the old earth where unrighteousness dwels for all covetous practices folly and selfishness which thou art guilty of as thou saith page 64. all this is in the old earth so thou who bears these things as aforesaid is the earth that bears thorns and bryars is rejected of God and of us who dwell in God and of every Reader who sees and grows up in the new earth where righteousness d●ells so such Readers shall see thee to be in hyprocrisie who tells of the new but lives in the old and this thy high talking and loose walking gives an ill report of the good land preaches to every conscience that knows thee that thou art in hypocrisie and it gives an ill smell in the Nations and who grows up in the new shall deny thee and all covetous ones who live in the old so you are left with assemblies that are without the gate Further thou saies to the Reader Take heed of the two foolish blind mad Generations of Ranters and Qu●kers I answer If we what we preach were not fool shne●s to the covetous selfish we could not be of God 1 Cor. 1.18 and our eye God hath opened which was blinded and eye salve from him is received so that we see yea and there is that in thy conscience lets thee seee we have read thy heart but thou Moab like art in the seat of ease in the flesh and thou cannot receive us and be selfish and live in covetous practices as thou saith thou dost neither can we own thee though thou say thou art annointed to preach so long as thou lives in covetous practices and in that thou calls us mad read this when Christ was come who put an end to the first Priesthood and Tyth the Jews who were of them that paid and took Tyth they said of Christ He is mad why hear ye him John 10 20 and the same seed passeth through and suffers the same reproach and scorn now among Tyth takers and Tyth payers and thou art one who hath the Tyth of two Parishes and in as much as thou joins us with Ranters know this that there is many thousands in this Nation both high and low rich and poor who though they cannot own us as to grow up in the life with us because the Crosse is sharp and the way narrow to him that hath his many Idols yet are we so far manifest to their consciences as that they cannot but secretly witness against thee in this thing and that no people on the face of the earth so differs from them as we yea and though thy will be angry as the Nations are because truth smites and strikes at thy Idols who confesses thy covetous practices who hast the Tyth of two Parishes yet there is
art the messenger of Satan who art charging him with inward pride when at the Scripture mentions no such thing And in as much as I said Christ is the end of sin and the end of Condemnation thou revilest me for it and calls it a new phrase like my form and that I grow worse and worse Page 89. Answ What I there said all who are of God will it own and the thing is plain but being of the off spring of Amalek thou must needs brawl and wrangle Dan. 9.24 is it not he that makes and end of sin 1 John 3.5 doth not he by his coming put an end to sin so is the end thereof and here he is known who is without end and 1 Pet. 4.7 the end of all things is at hand the end of all things saith he what is this but Christ if the end of all things then of sin what ground hast thou to wrangle for this saying and if thou knew Christ thou would know him to be the end of condemnation Is not the Law added because of transgression till the Seed who is the end of sin and condemnation which is because of sin Gal. 3.19 and Rom. 8.1 no condemnation to them that are in Christ so see thy folly who wrangles at plain words but remembers not thy own sayes which thou hast no ground of Scripture for as strong Fiat third principle of the elementary world calling the soul a little map of the great world and page 104.107.108 of thy book the most of it is thy own thoughts and imaginations And in as much as I said John wrote to such as were not come thorough the confession to babes young men and fathers then by my own confession thou sayes he wrote to all sorts of Christians to confess sin Page 90. I answer Fain thou would have thy Idols spared all thy dayes and thy green trees not cut down to worship under and stumbling at the Light thou stumbles at the Scriptures and at my words did I write any thing as to give thee a ground to say that babes young men and fathers were sinners so ought to confess sin I said he wrote to such as were not come thorough the confession read without 1 John 1.8 9. thou art blind within and he wrote to children not to sin yet if any c. 1 John 2.1 he wrote to young men and sayes they were strong and the word of God abode in them and they had overcome the wicked one 1 John 2.14 and he wrote to fathers who knew him that was in the beginning and he that abid sin him sins not 1 John 3.6 So here is nothing to be found for thee to uphold sin thy fathers image and saith John he that is born of God sins not he is kept that the wicked one touch him not 1 John 5.18 and no way can thou please thy bewitched hearers more withal than in possessing them that they must live in sin here and have heaven hereafter but know this O you bewitched people that if you live not the life of the righteous you cannot die the death of the righteous if you live not the life of the righteous your latter end cannot be like his so be warned HELL gapes for the wicked Thou sayes There is a natural man and a spiritual man and each one of these have a light and that is the same to it self and in it self but in the natural man it is but reason Romans 1.19 20. Page 96. I answer The light we bear witness to is Christ the true light who lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1.9 which light letteth every man see his evil deeds who be in the evil deeds and is the same in him that hates it as in him that loves it John 3.19 20 21. and thou sayes in the natural man it is but reason prove the light that comes from Christ to be reason shew me a Scripture calling it reason else confess thou speaks thou knows not what as for Rom. 1.19 20 it saith no such thing that the light of Christ in any man is reason he who is given a Covenant to Israel he is given a light to the Gentiles Isaiah 42.6 7. Thou sayes All light it seems is not the same though it come from the same root t is not the same to us in it self it is one and the same but to us it is called natural spiritual reason grace Page 96. I answer What the light is thy dark mind comprehends not because thou art planted in the root that bears bitterness the light is but one even Christ who is the glory of Israel a light to lighten the Gentiles Luke 2 32. and prove it by Scripture where the light is called natural and reason prove thy saying by Scripture else confess thou sayes thou knows not what as for Rom. 2.14 we own but that nature that leads to do the things in the Law contained none know but who receive Christ the Life the Light such partake of the divine Nature 2 Peter 1.4 Thou sayes The first man according to his principle hath a light and life and that flows from the root Christ in him which he sees not for the head of every man is Christ Page 97. I answer Christ is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1 9. but thou that doth evil hates the light as saith the Scriptures so another leads thee and that which thou walks in is darkness though thou may call it light so thy eye must be put out and thy life must thou loose else not know Christ the root the head of every man but thou that doth evil and hates the light art not the man but a beast yet the man of sin he that is not in the truth is a beast and the Serpent is thy head as thy fruits make it manifest selfishness folly covetous practises so the man thou knows not which bruises the Serpents head though much thou can talk Thou sayes This light though low and faint yet teaches man to feel and grope after a God and to worship yet still it is to the unknown God Page 97. I answer This thy faying is full of lies Christ the true light he lighteth every one Jew and Gentile John 1 9. Isaiah 42.6 7. which light who as it loves and obeys it leads into a sensibleness and feeling and in this keeping iniquity is departed from night and darkness and clouds by little and little vanishes and passes away so is Christ formed who is the light and makes known the Father Math. 11 27. John 1.18 Isaiah 42.6 7. the Gentiles have the light to open the prison door and if Christ the light teach not the knowledge of God what is there that can no light we own but Christ who lighteth every one and all that it loves it brings them to seek feel after and find God and nothing but the light can do this Tit. 2.11 12 this is the