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A48365 A reply to Sr. Thomas Manwaring's answer to my two books. Written by Sr. Peter Leycester, Baronet, anno Domini, 1675. The second reply. Together with the case of Amicia truly stated Leycester, Peter, Sir, 1614-1678. 1676 (1676) Wing L1944; ESTC R213614 31,564 110

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i_o guilty_a of_o the_o like_a offence_n as_o he_o say_v i_o be_o show_v i_o if_o he_o can_v where_o i_o go_v about_o any_o such_o a_o distinction_n as_o he_o here_o mention_v or_o say_v marriage_n be_v twofold_a and_o then_o give_v the_o member_n of_o my_o distinction_n so_o absurd_o as_o he_o there_o have_v do_v i_o wonder_v he_o be_v so_o disingenuous_a either_o to_o deny_v the_o one_o or_o affirm_v the_o other_o see_v his_o answer_n to_o my_o addenda_fw-la pag._n 7._o and_o my_o former_a reply_n thereunto_o pag._n 20_o 21._o i_o appeal_v to_o all_o reader_n and_o yet_o in_o the_o 19_o pag._n of_o this_o answer_n to_o my_o two_o book_n he_o tell_v we_o it_o be_v the_o want_n of_o my_o understanding_n which_o cause_v i_o to_o blame_v he_o for_o what_o he_o there_o so_o say_v and_o then_o run_v on_o in_o a_o long_a harangue_n to_o no_o purpose_n tell_v we_o that_o maritagium_fw-la servitio_fw-la obnoxium_fw-la be_v the_o elder_a brother_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 24._o of_o his_o answer_n 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