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A85141	The Holy Scriptures from scandals are cleared. Or An answer to a book set forth by the baptizers; to wit, Henry Hagger and Thomas Pollard, entituled, The Holy Scriptures clearing it self of scandals: but is scandalled or perverted, and so scandalized by them, as in this answer to theirs will further appear, so by them entituled, or bearing the title of an Answer to a book written by Richard Farnsworth, called, Truth cleared, or Truth lifting up its head above scandals: occasioned by a dispute at Harliston in Staffordshire, between Richard Farnsworth and Thomas Pallard, in the year, 1654. Also here is in this, the heads of an order, or late act made at Coventry, by the baptized people there, ... And something here is, in answer to a false prophet, called John Griffith, set out by him and several others, in a false prophesie or book, bearing the title of True Gospel faith, collected into 30 articles: or in the middle part called, A voice from the Word of the Lord, ... / Written by a servant of the Lord, in the sixth moneth, 1655. by R.F.	R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666.	1655 (1655)	Wing F487; Thomason E855_1; ESTC R202126	43,362	61

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES From Scandals are cleared OR An Answer to a Book set forth by the Baptizers to wit Henry Hagger and Thomas Pollard Entituled The Holy Scriptures clearing it self of Scandals But is scandalled or perverted and so scandalized by them as in this Answer to theirs will further appear so by them Entituled or bearing the Title of an Answer to a Book written by Richard Farnsworth called Truth cleared or Truth lifting up its head above Scandals occasioned by a dispute at Harliston in Staffordshire between Richard Farnsworth and Thomas Pallard in the year 1654. Also here is in this the heads of an Order or late Act made at Coventry by the Baptized People there subscribed with the names of seven Elders and Brethren as they say in the behalf of the rest and set forth from them sent to Shittington in Warwickshire shewing whom they denyed to be Ministers and Members of Christ c which is set down in this and several Considerations or Observations and Answers thereunto And something here is in Answer to a false Prophet called John Griffith set out by him and several others in a false Prophesie or Book bearing the Title of True Gospel Faith collected into 30 Articles or in the middle part called A Voice from the Word of the Lord with at least an hundred lies numbred up out of the Books as aforesaid being answered such as are of concernment and they are with the other sent to them back in a bundle or number as herein will appear and being cast out now truth stands pure and clear Pror 18.18 The lot causeth contentions to cease and parteth between the mighty Written by a Servant of the Lord in the sixth Moneth 1655. by R. F. London Printed for Giles Calvert at the Sign of the Black Spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1655. To the Reader and whom it may concerne c. READER instead of an Epistle I shall lay downe a few of the particulers or affirmatives in that act or law made by the water baptized people at Coventry and sent to Shittington signed or subscribed at the end with the names of Mannasses King an Elder and Jefford Youngbone an Elder John Murdock Francis Blabby John Fairbrother George Copson and Thomas Hardway Brethren who from Coventrey say they subscribed it in the name of the rest c. And from them I shall lay downe some observations or answers thereunto The second thing which in that Coventrey law or late Act is that they say they deny any to be Ministers of Christ and the Gospel or to speak in the Church that say they speak from or by an internall light prove it not by the visible rule of the Scriptures c. And by this rule and law though God be light 1 Joh. 1.5 and dwell within in his people 2 Cor. 6.16 1. Joh. 4.4 yet he must be debarred or limitted and not suffered to speake in the Church except he confine himselfe to the letter of the Scriptures and that is contrary to his former actings for to be limitted and who are you that dare presume or offer to seeke to limit the holy one of Israel As much as to say though Abraham Isaack and Iacob were endued with the Spirit of God yet except they could prove what they said by the words of Adam Enoch and Noah they might not be permitted to speake from the Spirit of God in the things of God revailed and made knowne unto them thereby Though Moses Aaron Caleb and Joshuah might be guided by the Spirit of God yet except they could prove by words from Abraham Isaack and Iacob what from the Spirit of God they had to declare they might not speake of the things of God but be denyed to be any Ministers or Messengers of God Though Samuel and the rest of the Lords true established Prophets that were by him called and sent and could witnesse that the Lord God and his Spirit did call establish and send them yet if they said so and said they spake from an internall light or the Spirit of God within and could not prove by Scripture or the writings of Moses and those before them all that that they said they might not be suffered to speake but be denyed to be the Ministers and Messengers of God Though the Ministers of the new Covenant had the light and the heavenly treasure within them 2 Cor. 4.6.7 and were guided by the Spirit of God Rom. 8.14 who made them able Ministers of the new Covenant not of the letter but of the Spirit 2 Cor. 3.6 and they was not to serve in the oldnesse of the letter but in the newnesse of the Spirit Rom. 7.6 yet if they said they preached from an internall light or the Spirit of God within them c. and denyed to prove all they said by the Scripture or to serve in the oldnesse of the letter and not Minister from the Letter but from the Spirit in which their Ministry stood they might not by these baptized people be suffered to speake but be denyed to be any Ministers or messengers of Christ though his true Ambassadors take notice you Baptizsts of your errour herein and acknowledge the same and own your condemnation thereupon And where you say you deny any to be members of Christ that either goe themselves or suffer others to goe heare them that preach from an internall light c. Here you are against Christ the true light and against the Ministry of the Gospel and against the Kingdome of Christ in the Spirit against the new Covenant and the doctrine of the Apostles also that were Ministers from the light and the life of the Spirit within which you deny and they were Ministers of the Spirit and not of the letter and said to others try all things and hold fast that which is good 1 Thessa 5.21 Here you are against the Scriptures also that would deprive people of a Christian liberty that so binde them by your law contrary to the Gospel and contrary to the doctrine of Christ and his Apostles for the true Christ saith Preach the Gospel to every Creature but you would not have every Creature to heare it Preached by the Spirit in the power of light in the endless life that so denies them liberty to heare those that are Ministers of the new Covenant and not of the letter but of the Spirit 2 Cor. 3.6 so hereby your Spirits are discovered and made manifest to be Antichristian Againe you say you deny liberty for any to object in the Churches either in the time of speaking or after c. In this you have denyed the true Spirits order who said If any thing be reveiled and that is not by the letter but by the Spirit 1 Cor. 2.10 to him that sits or stands by let the first hold his peace and let the other speak c. 1 Cor. 14.30 But you say the contrary and therefore you have crossed the Scripture and denyed the

2.10.11 1. Pet. 4.1.2 and they that have suffered in the flesh and seased from sin though they may be tempted yet if they be not subject to enter into temptations they are upheld by the power of God and united to Christ who though he was tempted in all things like unto us yet he were not subject to the tempter neither did he enter into the temptation And it is no sin to be tempted but to obey the tempter and enter into temptation that is a sin and though Christ was tempted yet he did not obey the tempter and therefore did not sin and such as are united to Christ and abideth in him they do not sin as saith the Scriptures 1 Joh. 3.6 then they enter not into temptation that are so united and abide with Christ in that true union but as he is so are they in this present world as the Scripture witnesseth 1 Joh. 4.16.17 Rev. 14.3.4.5 and an t thou offended at that if thou be it is but to shew thy dislike to the work of Christ which is to take away sin and thy contradiction to the Scripture which also witnesseth the same And thy 24 lie Is one of thy grounds or second heads by which thou labours to uphold thy deceit in page the 8 which thou calls the second thing that Farnsworth as thou saies affirmed that is as thou saies when Paul spoke those words in the seaventh of the Romans where he cries out of a body of death and of the warfare he had in himselfe and to streng then thy lies thou saies Farnsworth said he was not then converted lier art thou not ashamed of such an abominable lie let the wise hearted search the booke written by me and see if they can in it finde such an affirmative and thou pretends to write thine in answer unto it and in page the 22 thou saies these are his principles he saith he ownes in his book oh that a man professing godlinesse should no more regard what he saies bur it is good that fooles utter their sollie as thou hast done thine thereby to manifest that deceit which long hath lain hid within thee but the book shall stand a witnesse against thee And that lie thou hast laid as a ground to build upon but the ground being false the building cannot stand therefore thou art left with thy refuge of lies and the burden thou must beare who art so acting Antichrists Spirit and being accustomed to do evill how canst thou do well be ashamed for ever of thy bundle or number of lies which are so prooflesse and now are back upon thee returned and in the liers generation are left to remaine And thy 25 lie is in thy 8th page which thou saies is thy answer to that as aforesaid where thou saies thou answered and said O man minde thy errour what Paul a messenger of the Gospel and so eminent Apostle of Christ and unconverted here I charge thee with this lie also for I neither said that Paul at that time were unconverted nor thou made noe such answer then unto mee and co say thou so answered when thou did not as many may wirnesse that is grosse deceit and double hypocrisie therefore Pollard thou therein hast made thy selfe manifest by thy lying Spirit to be a wicked lier a grosse deceaver and a double hypocrit oh man see thy errour lies and deceit and blush and also be ashamed for ever thou pretended to write thy booke in answer to mine but cannot prove such sayings therein nor Hagger to helpe thee yet you have bended your tongues like your bowes for lies and made them your refuge but truth sweeps them away or casts them out turning them upon you you liers againe and into the liers generation from whence they came and all that which thou hast scraped together and Haggar to help thee for the backing of your deceit and to mannage your lies I passe over and come to that which thou calls thy third thing Farnsworth affirmed as thou saies which is thy 26 lie saying that where Iohn spake those words if we say we have no sin we deceive our selves c. saying he said Iohn did not here speak of himself but the people to whom he spake those words were unconverted That is but like unto the rest of thy lies but thou canst not prove such a saying in my Book and thou says those was my principles which I stood by and owned in my book and saying so but cannot prove thy saying therein I pass by the rest of thy stuff which thou hast scraped together to back or strengthen thy lie withal and leave thee charged with that Lie also which makes up the number 26. And where thou says thou pleads not for a continuance in sin thy lying also therein is seen who art so accustomed to it and it is hard for thee to leave it And where thou art speaking about trying the Spirits page 11. Liars hath nothing to do to try them but thou art a Lyar and hath a number of lies charged upon thee and therefore thine is tryed known thereby to be a lying so an erring spirit But thou says you may honestly argue that If they and they onely be the friends of God that walk in obedience to the Commandments of God then they must needs be enemies that oppose but the first is true thou says Then it follows from thy own argument about the tryal of Spirits that thou that opposeth the truth art the enemy and the only enemy and no friend for he commands That every one that names the Name of Christ should depart from iniquity and that they should not lie c. 2 Tim. 2.19 Eph. 4.22,23,24,25 but thou art strong in iniquity and so pleading for it that such as obeys the commands of God in departing from it and thereby comes to be freed from it and be without it thou would have such to be enemies that are Gods friends saying They have no truth in them if they be departed from iniquity so as to have no sin in them and thus thou crosseth the Scriptures and obeyeth not the light but acts in darkness and opposeth the truth and art not subject to the commands of God who art such a Lyar c. who departs not from iniquity but lives in opposition to the truth and continues in lying as is here manifest therefore thy spirit is tryed and thou art found to be the enemy of God and also according to thy own saying and self confusion therefore stop thy mouth and be silent about speaking of the things of the Spirit of God by a lying spirit of error and deceit for darkness speaks in thee and the Serpents head who is yet unbruised in thee And where thou art speaking to those thou calls dear friends saying Beware least you be led away with the error of the wicked Thou art led away with the error of the wicked thy self who art so given over to lying as thou hast

Inheritance of the Saints in light for they were compleat and furnished in and by Christ the head of all principality and power for in him and not in the letter of the Scripture dwelleth all the fulness of the God-head bodily Colos 1.9.10,11,12 29. Col. 2.9.10 and here again take notice how thou hast lied of the Scripture and shewed thy spirit of errour in this thy sixteenth errour or lie Thou ●aith we are perverters of the word but that is by us denied and stands for thy self who art a wrester and so a perverter of the Scripture which thou calls the word and thou art there taken in thy own snare where thou hast added thy seventeenth lie And after thou hast given the preheminence to the Scripture so taking it from Christ and contradicting it therein Col. 1.18 saying the Scriptures are the rule of faith when Christ is the rule and Authour of faith Heb. 12.2 and saying the Scriptures are both the rule of faith and also able to make the man of God wise to salvation and furnish him throughly to every good work page 3. without Christ and faith in him the moving cause both of faith and salvation c. for thou hast left faith in Christ and that out and so there in that page thou hast been labouring to set the Scripture up in the room of Christ and belied it also and to confute and contradict thy selfe in thy confusion and self-contradiction that it may appear thou hast made it manifest except thou would make the Scriptures Christ and Christ the Scriptures and if thou would do so that would be contradiction upon contradiction and more make manifest thy self-confutation In page 12. where thou art writing or speaking to those thou calls Saints thou therein saith that Christ is Gods treasury and if Christ be Gods treasury then fulnesse is not in the letter or Scripture but in him for in him thou also sayes to wit Christ are hid the treasures of wisdom and knowledge if in him then not in the Scriptures except thou make the Scriptures Christ and here thy own words serves to be thy own confutation which is manifest in thy self-contradiction for thou sayes it hath pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell to wit Christ and if all fulness dwell in Christ then not in the Scripture take notice of that and how doth it also crosse thy third page where thou hast manifested thy errour And after thou hast confessed and said that all fulness dwells in Christ thou sayes where then shall we go for wisdom and knowledge but to Christ page 12. If all fulness dwell in Christ and there be no whereto go for true wisdom and knowledge but to him then it is he that furnisheth thorowly to every good work and also makes wise to salvation and then how doth it crosse thy other sayings where thou sayes the Scriptures are the rule of faith and the Scriptures are able to make wise to salvation and able to furnish thoroughly to every good work and here thou hast contradicted all that except thou would have the Scriptures to be Christ and Christ to be the Scriptures and then thou again contradicts that for thou saith life is in the Son but the Scriptures is not the Son therefore the life is not in them for thou sayes that Christ is the life of Saints then the Scripture is not their life because the Scripture is not the Son and thou tells those thou calls Saints if they forsake Christ they forsake the life page 12. and then thou goes from the Son and so from Christ to the letter and therefore from the life according to thy own saying in thy confusion and contradicts those sayings of thy twelfth page in page 13. For there again thou art run from Christ to the Letter and saith the Scriptures are able to make wise to salvation and must be the rule in point of faith and conversation and if they must be so then by that necessity thou would not have Christ to be so yea thou saies the Scriptures they will furnish unto every good worke And if they must do it and will do it then Christ must not and doth not except the Scriptures be Christ and that is not so for they do but testifie of him Joh. 5.39.40 and thy 13 page doth crosse and contradict thy 12 and thy 12 page doth confute thy 3 page therefore after thou have prophecied many lies take notice how thou have run upon two rocks even self contradiction and selfe confutation and here it is to be observed that it is thee that errs not knowing the Scripture and power of God and not the Quakers as in thy false Prophecie thou did affirme and there thou hast even split thy selfe upon such Rocks even selfe contraction and selfe confutation Here take notice of your folly and remember what you have done for it is considered and knowne That such as say they write and speake from the word of the Lord and Prophecie falsly and writes and so speaks lies and selfe contradictions must needs be false Prophets But Iohn Griffith in that book called A Voice from the word of the Lord he hath so done therefore Iohn Griffith he is a false Prophet as it is considered and knowne as well as Thomas Pollard and Henry Hanger are false Apostles as before is proved And by their books of lies and slanders is further against them made manifest Oh lier thus saith the Lord the lake is prepared for thee and all liers take notice of that and read Rev. 21.8 to witnesse here with me in the same and thither must the false Prophets and liers be cast as it is written Rev. 22.15 and Rev. 21.8.27 Rev. 20.10 to be tormented day and night c And thine Henry Hagger as well as John Griffiths is considered and you are found to be those that refuse the light of Christ and walks after the jmaginations of your own hearts and not the light within who dispise the light and word of the Lord that are such liers and false accusers doing such deceiptfull works and so are works of iniquity under a refined subtilty which Christ saith he knows not according to thy saying or third consideration and Math 7.22.23 And you are they that preach and publish lies as your number makes it manifest and not the word of God for it witnesseth against liers like you who are such as those in thy 4th consideration and the deceivers shall stand for your selves that are such liers and therefore deceivers as in thy 5th consideration And where thou in contempt to the light and so to the truth thou saies Paul did not commit th̄e to the light within th̄e to the which I answer that lie did commit them to God he is light 1 Joh. 1.5 was within them for greater was he that was in them then he that was in the world 1 Ioh. 4.4 2 Cor. 6.16 and as God who was light was

true Spirits order to further make manifest your disorder and also your Spirit of delusion and errour And again you say God will judge the secrets of all hearts by the written word or letter of the Scripture when the Minister of Christ saith the contrary who saith that God will Judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ Rom 2.16 then not by the lettet of the Scripture and the Son saith All judgment is Committed unto him and the Father hath given him authority to execute judgment also because he is the Son but he hath not given authority to the letter of the Scripture to execute judgment because it is the letter of the Scripture and declareth or testifieth of the Son but is not the Son then the Scripture is not the judge of all hearts but the Son is so to wit the judge of all hearts as the Scripture declareth Joh. 5.22 and Joh. 5,26.27 Act. 17 31. Take notice how you would deprive Christ of his Kingly office and take the authoritie from him to put upon the letter and hath againe thereby further manifested your Spirit of errour THE HOLY SCRIPTURES Are cleared of Scandals OR AN ANSWER TO A BOOK Written by Thomas Pallord Henry Hagger As they say In Answer to a Book set ●orth by Richard Farnworth wherein they pretend to clear the truth of Scandals but are found Lyars and the Lyes is sent them back in a bundle or number that they may see their deceipt and Spirit or Lies Errors and Slanders THo Pallord and Henry Hagger who are mighty in the work of your Father John 8.44 you pretend to clear the truth of Scandals but of it are Lyars and Scandallers and evil Speakers and false Accusers and therefore that you may take notice of the fruit of your Fathers Spirit by which you are guided and taught to lie I have viewed your work or scandalous and deceitful Book and gathered out of it being numbred up the sum of 60 and odde or Threescore Lies and more besides many that I have passed by these being sufficient for to manifest your Spirit and the deceit of your heart as also severall lies gathered out of a Paper written or caused to be Printed under the name of John Griffith oue of the water Baptizers with you or in your number and I hare also sent them back amongst you into the lyars Generation again take them and keep them for they are returned back upon you and into the lyars generation from whence they came that Truth may be kept clear and you appear in your lying colours or be laid open who are such great deceivers unto your shame who hath taken upon you to slander and revile the Lotds people by you in disdain called Quakers and also to Prophesie or publish your lies in pretence of the Lords Name But to bo wort I shall lay several of them down return them back upon you from whence they came Tho Pollard Thou hast set down things which I neither spoke nor writ and says I affirmed them when I did not and therefore thy gronnds being lies that which springs out of them is so as well as thy Grounds or Heads but I turn them under and drive them back with the rest of thy Lies into the Serpents seat ugain lyars Generation from whence they came E●…or or Lie the first In thy third page Thou says it is such a deceipt that they that say they have no sin the truth is not in them but thou cannot prove thy saying therein whose fallacy is laid down in that word they which includes any when the Scripture says not so as thou dost and therefore in that thou hast lyed of the truth and truths friends as it appeareth And here thou goes about to prove that Christ and such as are in him hath no truth in them and that is contradiction to the Scripture and the Spirits Doctrine for thou fetbheth Christ in with them and includes all in that word they saying They that say they have no sin the truth is not in thom as much as to say They that are without sin are without truth and have no truth in them but Christ and such as are in him are without sin Therefore if they say they are without sin there is no truth in them as thou says for that is contrary to thy proofless Argument Pollard or Hagger whether of you laid it down take notice of your folly therein here thou would by that have Christ and such as are in him to have no truth in them see what a trick the deceit hath taught thee in that for first it is said of Christ That he sinned not and so was without sin for no guile was found in his month and therefore he was without sin and the truth was in him contrary to thy lying of him for he is both the way the truth and the life Joh. 14.6 and is without sin but full of truth and such as abide in him they sin not as saith the Scripture 1 Joh. 3.5,6 then such as abide in Christ sin not as the Scripture saith they are without sin 1 John 3.9 and the truth is in them for such said That as he was so was they in this present world 1 John 4.16,17 Pallard take notice of thy Errors and Lies and also of thy contradiction of the Scripture For they that did abide in Christ and sinned not 1 John 3.6 they were so far trom being without truth or having no truth in them that they were full of grace and truth for the Spirit of God was in them which was truth and no lie 1 John 3.24 And secondly the word of God was in them 1 John 2.14 and they were strong in the Lord and the power of his truth for they had overcome the wicked one and the word of God were abiding in them and so the truth of God abode within them for saith Christ to his Father Sanctifie them with thy word thy word is truth John 17.17 Then they that had overcome the wicked one and were sanctified through the truth and were without sin having also the word of God abiding within they were full of truth and not without it or no truth in them take notice of thy absurdities and lies for they had the holy Unction within them that were without sin and that was truth and no lie 1 John 2.20 and 27. and greater was he that was in them then he that was in the World 1 Iohn 4.4 take notice of thy lie and that trick of thy deceit Error or Lie the second Thy second Lie is that thou saies we boast of perfection perfection in and by Christ we own else we should deny the truth and the worke of grace according to the working of the Spirit of God as it is witnessed according to the Scripture and by the Ministrie of Christ in the new Covenant Math. 5.48 and Eph. 4.11.12.13 1 Cor. 2.6 Heb. 6.1 Heb. 12.22.23 but though we witnesse

made thy self manifest and being guided by a lying spirit thou art to be denyed but thou says now is the hour of temptation for if these be not wicked errors I know not what is Yes thy many lies which before with the rest that are set down are so and the Scriptures which thou so much talks of hath not kept thee for falling into them but thou would put it off and say they are those which are laid down to their view which Farnsworth did stand by to vindicate if his own testimony may stand Here again I charge thee to be a lyar and a false accuser and that they was not so testified by Farnsworth as thou hast set them down thinking thereby to strengthen thy deceit neither canst thou prove them to be so in his testimony or book which thou hast written thine in answer unto and there thou art proved the Lyar in that as well as the rest and therefore thou art left with them charged upon thee and there they are to remain clear thy self if thou can for this book doth not clear thee but lets thy filthiness more appear neither doth it at all weaken the book thou pretendest it against but it stands yet for the truth against thy deceit as this doth stand to witness against thy lies which in thine thou hast scraped together or heaped up to manifest that thou art not builded upon the rock and therefore thy building cannot stand who makes lies thy refuge being set upon the sand as thy lies and confusion maketh it manifest for the tree is known by its fruits as thou art by thine Matth. 7.15 And where thou saist to the Reader that we deny the rule of Tryal to try the spirits withal that is another of thy lies For in thy 28. Lie page the 14. thou saist The rule of tryal to try the spirits withal is thrown away by them And in thy 29 Lie Thou saist it is become of none use to those men except it be for advantage take notice of thy Lies and also of thy own confusion within thy exception for that which is for a good use and right advantage is not thrown away but made use of but the tryal or Tryer spirits is not by us thrown away though thou say it is but made use of according to thy saying in thy self-confutation and it is both advantagious and profitable for us and also to try your deceits withal take notice of that and take heed how thou utterest thy folly as thou hast done And where thou saist many poor souls have been misled as to say that which men call sin doth as highly honor God as that which men call Prayers and holy performances and faith these things thou hast heard uttered by mouth and seen in print and hath as it were cast it as a slander upon upon us and doth accuse us with it where thou saist this is their principle and how doth it open a door of loosness pag. 14. Such Principles we do deny and thy slander also and all that knows our Principles and practice may witness against thee in thy filthy Slanders And I charge thee in the presence of the Lord and also Haggar thy partaker to prove that ever such things were ever spoken or printed by us or else be ashamed for ever and own condemnation upon your wicked lies and gross errors who are so far misled as to act Antichrists part making lies your refuge seeking thereby to hold up your deceir And to thy fourth That thou says Farnsworth affirmed that Christ had not a visible Church in the world for thou saies they are his principles set downe in his book that the Church was in God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is in his books that he affirmeth and the Scriptures witnesseth the same 1 Thessalon 1.1 2 Thessalo 1.1 and that the Church is made of living stones elect and pretious a spirituall house for God to dwell in by the Spirit and officers and over-seers were made by the Holy-Ghost and he is not visible for the world seeth him not neither knoweth him and that is in his book and the Scriptures witnesseth the same at which thou art offended 1 Pet. 2.5.6 John 14 17. Ephes 2.20.21.22 Acts 20.28 And God is a Spirit and his Church is spirituall and they endured as seeing him who is invisible which thou appeares to be ignorant of and thou saith to manifest thy darkness and ignorance therein because Farnsworth tells of an invisible or spirituall Church he thou saies is no member nor officer in that Church because he is a visible man as much as to say Paul that eminent Apostle because he was a visible man as to the outward body his visible or bodily absence did exclude his invisible or spirituall presence from the Church and that is contrary to the Scriptures and Crosseth his experience and spirituall doctrine also who him-self said that tho he was absent in body yet he was present in Spirit beholding their order Col. 2.5 then it was a spirituall order and rule or government in the Church and the visible and bodily absence of Paul did not exclude his invisible or spiritual presence but that thou art blind in the things of God the Spirit of God as the Serpents seed ever was and according to that former saying of thine because Christ was visiblely ascended far beyond all Heavens Acts. 1.11 Jesus of Nazareth could not be invisibly persecuted by the contrary Spirits invisible men c. And that is cross to the Scriptures for after Christ was so visiblely ascended he spake to Saule that persecuted his seed and he said Saul Saul why persecutest thou mee he said Lord who art thou that I persecute he said I am Jesus of Nazareth and he were ascended far beyond all Heavens Acts 9.4.5 When he were invisible by a contrary Spirit in a visible man so persecured or his seed in his Saints and such as were his Church that was chosen out of the world Joh. 15.18.19 which Church thou hast shewed thy ignorance of and thy blindnesse in That Farnsworth should say or affirme that all ordinances ceased when Christ ascended and gave the Spirit was never so spoken by him neither canst thou find such a saying in that book which thou pretends to write thine in answer unto therefore thy ground or fifth head being false so is thy scraped up stuffe and turned under by which thou seeks to make a cover and thou art also left charged with that thy 30 Lie And where thou hast gathered many Scriptures in thy book about the Spirits teaching and Baptisme c thou saies when thou instanced those Scriptures before which thou hast set downe thou saies Farnsworth said that was not water Baptisme here thou hast lied againe and that is thy 31 Lie saying thou did before mention those Scriptures when thou did not then mention them and thou saies many can witness it but then it must be against thee and

thy lies as I have done That one Scripture thou didst mention of Ananias going to Saul and saying Arise brother Saul and be Baptised and wash away thy sins whereupon I asked thee if your water Baptisme did or could wash away sins and thou stood and gave little or no answer therein as many can witnesse And if nothing can wash away sins but the blood of Christ or the water of regeneration then it must needs be that the Baptisme which washeth away sins is either by one Spirit into one body 1 Cor. 12.13 and so into Christ Gal. 3.27 and into the blood or life of the Covenant or else into the holy unction and water of regeneration where there is but one faith one Lord one God and Father of all them that are borne of the Spirit and so Baptised into that one Baptism Eph. 4.4.5.6 But thou couldest not witnesse that your outward water Baptisme did or could wash away sins then it is not that Baptisme which doth and being confounded in thy selfe thou would have gon forth of the doores but that I took thee by the arme and stayed thee awhile and spoke to thee till thou could not tell what to say for thy selfe but said the letter which thou called the written word and the Spirit were inseparable and then said the letter was a Historie And I told thee if I should have called it a History then others would have been ready to have called that blasphemy and being put to prove thy sayings thou could not but to thy shame got from mee and went away and they of thy own company spoke to thee of it and were grieved to see thy folly so made manifest as many can witnesse but in that I cease and let the other book witnese in that thing and the rest further to and for the truth against thy deceipt And in thy 32 lie Being so accustomed to it thou saies we wickedly speake against Christ and his ordinances But wickednesse and wicked speaking we deny who own honour and dearly love the Lord Jesus Christ and his ordinances speaking wickedly against them shall stand for thy selfe and such liers and false accusers as thou art and that is thy 32 lie And in thy 33 lie Thou saith that when I asked thee whether thy water Baptism did or could wash away sins in thy book to make a cover and manifest thy lying Spirit the more in that as well as in the rest of thy lies thou hast done thou sayes thou told me such words as is expressed in thy 17. page when there was then no such thing by thee done and therefore in that thou hast lyed of thy self but lying is thy work and that Spirit which guides thee is accustomed to it And in page 19 thou sayes we have a spirit of delusion that is thy 34th lie comming from Hell and darkness but cannot prove it yet that spirit by which thou art taught of old Antichrist to delude which hath caused thee to utter these lies is such a one and therefore what thou art guilty of thou would cast upon us but we deny thy spirit of delusion and lies and testifie against it and thee and such hellish darknesse as thou art possessed withall that regards not what falsely against us and the truth thou ventest but it toucheth us not and therefore turnes back upon thee againe and is to be cast into the bottomless pit from whence it came Lie the 35 that spits out such venome against the ordinances of Jesus Christ that is thy own and turnes back upon thee againe for Christ Jesus and his ordinances and worship in Spirit and spiritualI ordination we honour and own but spitting of venom comes out of thy brest take it into thy old bottle from whence it came And for thy 6th thing or head is another of thy lies and makes thy number 36 such words as are there set downe was not set downe in my booke which thou pretends to write this in answer unto therefore the absurdities spoken of and also the lies is turned back upon thee againe pag. 20. 21. For the Scriptures I own and that holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost 2 Pet. 20.21 but liers like thee I deny and against testifie Eph. 5.11 and the Scriptures serves to be a witnesse against such as professe them in words and walke contrary to them in life and conversation but liers slanderers and false accusers doe so as thou Haggar and Griffith and such like doth and therefore the Scriptures doth witnesse against you and your generation and seed of evill doers And such hath the benefit and comfort of the Scriptures as are guided by the holy Spirit into the life and power from whence good Scripture words proceeded yet the letter is not the life Joh. 5.39.40 and power of God to salvation but Christ and the Gospel is which the letter or Scriptures declares and testifies of Joh. 14.6 1 Joh. 5.12 Act. 4.12 Hebr. 5.8,9 Rom. 1.16 But thou seems as if thou would have a letter God a letter Christ a letter Spirit and a letter power to salvation or set the letter or Scripture up as God and Christ and power of God to salvation for thou saies faith comes by hearing the Scriptures preached which thou calls the Gospel and if by it thou saies then not without it and so according to that no Scripture no faith no salvation for without faith it is impossible to please God and be saved but according tothy saying or false doctrine no Scripture no faith and so making Scripture the moving cause of mens salvation for if there can be no saith without the Scripture then Christ might not be the author of it neither upon that account could he give faith if the Scripture were wanting and if there an be no faith without the Scripture thou would not have Christ to be the author and finisher of it but the letter and so sets the Scripture in the roome of Christ saying take away the Scripture which thou calls the cause and then the effect thou saies ceaseth so no Scripture no savtation upon thy account as much as to say the Scripture is the cause of mans salvation and not Christ and rake away the Scripture the cause and the effect ceaseth mind your Error or Lies herein Christ cannot give faith nor save without them and by that meanes or according to that saying or false doctrin of Haggars and thine for he hath backed thee in it no faith without the Scripture though Christ be the way to faith and the moving cause of it and so both the beginning and ending or author and finisher of it as the Scripture saith and saith Christ without mee you can do nothing then not beleive without him for he is the way to the Father Joh. 14.6 and so to faith who is both the author and finisher of it Hebr. 12.2 and here thou hast shewed thy ignorance of the Gospel and

aske for them all and returne us an answer if he please But however Godwilling I shall to stop his boasting returne in short an answer to his onely spareing the labour of setting most of his downe but those that would compare the answers and Queries may take his book and see them and in this see an answer to them for the boaster Henry Hagger in his proud challenge faith thus much by Henry Hagger and as he saies a setvant of the Lord Jesus Christ and the congregations of the Saints which a desire of an answer by any who will or can But this I say that lyers slanderers and false accusers and such as joynes and partakes with them helping Antichrist to carry on his designe in such an evill work of falshood and deceipt and by a number of lies 70. and odd makes opposition against the truth they are no Servants of Jesus for he doth not imploy his in such an evil work neither are they sanctified and so of the Congregation of Saints but enemies to them and the work of sanctification c. Yet such a one is Henry Haggar who hath joyned himself with Pollard and backed his number of lies slanders false accusations and therefore he is no Servant of Christ but of Antichrist and the Congregations of Saints are ashamed of him and denies him and Pollard and also denies the workes of their hands proceeded from their evil hearts which long hath lien hid but now is brought to light which manifests their Antichristian spirit in their book of slanders with the number of lies as it doth appear and is left to the view that others may thereby take warning and feare And further it is considered and known that false Apostles were and are deceitful workers in that work of iniquity c. so are lyars slanderers and false accusers c. But such are Thomas Pollard and Henry Hagger and deceitful workers c. as it is manifest by their book of lies and wicked deceitful mischievous slanders therefore they are false Apostles that so acts Antichrists part under a refined subtlety and are such false accusers and deceitful workers 1 Cor. 11.13 c. Rom. 1.29 c. 2 Thes 2.7 c. 2. Consideration I answer that it is considered and known that the false Prophets that come to deceive did as you do preach the words of others and say thus faith the Lord when he never spoke to them Jer. 23. and they preached the Letter as you do and their brain imaginations but knew not the spirit and word that were as a fire and a hammer Jer. 23.29 c. which were within in the true Prophets and were as a fire in the bones Jer. 20.9 which words within you being ignorant of you preach the Letter of the Scripture and others words with your brain Imaginations added thereunto and are not guided by the same spirit from which it did proceed as your lies maketh it manifest and therefore you ate like the false Prophets also that as thou sayes pretended to come in the name of the Lord to preach their lies as you have done yours and therefore in that you are considered and known to be as the false Prophets were that said thus saith the Lord when he never spoke to them And as John Griffith in that Book called the Gospel-faith collected into 30 Articles and subscribed with the names of Thomas Lover John Foxwell John Parret Francis Smith John Griffith who in that Book called the Baptized Believers Faith or a Voice from the word of the Lord c. hath taken upon him to prophesie lies in the name of the Lord and the ground of his Prophecy is from the imaginations and corruptions of his own heart who speaks from that and from the Letter and the words of others and not from the voice of the Lord unto him and where did any of the true Prophets take upon them to go and prophecy to a people from anothers writings when they were not called by the Lord and sent so to say by his spirit and word within for they spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost and that was from the spirit and word within 2 Pet. 1.21 and the spirit of Christ was within them 1 Pet. 1.11 and they were not sent by a printed Book to preach and prophecy but by the Lord God and his spirit Isay 48.16.17 and therefore they spoke and prophecyed truly that were so taught called and sent by the Lord God and his spirit moving in them but the false Prophets took the words of others without them and spoke from them a divination of their own brain as John Griffith hath done and spoke not from the word and voice of the Lord God and his spirit within and therefore they prophesied lies in the name of the Lord and were reproved for it c. as this John Griffith the false Prophet is that speaks the brain imaginations and divinations of his own heart from others words and not from the mouth of the Lord as the false Prophets did and therefore the said John Griffith is a false Prophet as such was which the Lord was against therefore he is against him that hath prophesied lies in his name as they did Jer. 23.21 30. 31 32. verses The beginning of John Griffith's false Prophecy where he prophesieth lies in the name of the Lord saying thus saith the Lord to thee Oh Quaker thou art fleshly minded John Griffith that is thy lying spirit that hath told thee so and thou that pretends to speak so from the Scriptures without thee and calls thy saying a word from the voice of the Lord I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to shew that Scripture that faith O Quaker thou art fleshly minded or else I charge thee here to be a lier both of the Scripture and of the Lord for such as walk in obedience to the word and spirit of the Lord are not fleshly and carnally but spiritually and peaceably minded Rom. 8.6 Phil. 2.5 1 Cor. 2.15.16 But they that walk in obedience to the word and spirit of the Lord and are born again not of corruptible seed but incorruptible by the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever 1 Pet. 1.22.23 and are in Covenant with God though reproached by the name of Quakers c. 1 Pet. 4.14 for the name of Christ c. are spiritually and peaceably minded and not as John Griffith hath said therefore he hath taken upon him to prophesie or publish a lie in the name of the Lord And the said John Griffith in his second lie and false Prophesie page 2. saith Oh fleshly minded men whom the God of this world hath blinded that is a third lie because you believe not that is a fourth lie for such as walk in the light of the Gospel 2 Cor. 4.4,5,6,7 and are born of God and in the faith which purifies the heart and overcomes the world as such was Act 15.9.1 John