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A04429 The opinion, judgement, and determination of two reverend, learned, and conformable divines of the Church of England, concerning bowing at the name, or naming of Jesus. The one somtime a member of the Vnivertie of Cambridge, in a letter to his Christian freind: the other sometime a member of the Vniversitie of Oxford, in a treatise to his brethren the ministers of the Church of England. Printed at Hambourgh, 1632 H. B., Bachelor of Divinity.; I. H., Bachelor of Divinity.; S. O., fl. 1630-1634.; Ofwod, Stephen, attributed name.; Burton, Henry, 1578-1648, attributed name. 1634 (1634) STC 14555; ESTC S106466 28,118 82

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professe to hould communion with them in all holy parts of Gods worship and because we do thus practise Here is one IOHN CAN have published a spitefull if not rayling booke against al● that doe complaine of the superstitions used in our Land And yet hould communion with them in holy graces o● Gods Worship For this cause he chardgeth us to be pervertours of the truth saying Dr. Ames of famous memory who utterly denies that the calling of ou● Minister doe essentially depend on th● Bishops call yet otherwayes have a lawfull calling Against this he doth parentorily affirme the Ministers in our Land by the Laws of our Land doth certainl● depend on the Bishops calling holy an● no mens else Herein he doth affirm th●● this pretence is worse then the family o● Love which are the grossest Heretick● risen in this Adge Therefore we will examine his accusation For if he be false in this then let all that feare God judge him a false accuser like his Father the Devill is And I de here call all discret men to witnes that b● the Laws of our Land the Bishop canno● send a Minister to be made in the church till the Patron do first choose him an● send him with his Letters to the Bishopp to ordaine him And it is well knowne there are sundry Congregations which have agreed with their Patrons that they choose and call their Pastor And sundry Gentlemen fearing God which are Patrons and do use to advise with the most discret in that Church about the choyse of one wherein they do take the advise of learned Devines approvin him and he is choosen by that Church before the Bishops see him and therefore Dr. Ames his sentence is true allthough Iohn CAN revile him for it and he after in the same book doth justifie this course of chusing by the Congregation to be good according to trueth Therefore his owne mouth do give sentence against himselfe to be a false accuser IF Iohn CAN would have triyed and defended his cause of Separatiō from all the Godly Ministers and Professours in the Church of England against Doctor Ames he should have answered his first and second Manuduction against M. Robinson and tryed if he cold hav don more thē M. Robinson have don for ther is his cause proved erronious it is in other books provd fals in denying the Grace of God given us in Iesus Christ. He doth know there are books have been published this 16 years which have proved sundry artikels of their faith false and erronious yet Iohn Can dare not write against till the Authours be dead It appeareth unto me Iohn Can knoweth not the right calling of a Teacher into the Church because he putts no difference betwixt Election Approbation Ordination which th● Word of God doth distinguish yet in his book he count them all one thing He writeth they practise nothing but that the Teachers of our Church have affirmed to be truth which I manifest is not so for we affirm God hath ordained Schooles to educate and fitt men to be teachers in his Church and such are necessary instruments to increase heavenly graces This we hold is a worke of Faith for us to heare them preach which Iohn Can do condemne Act. 13. 15. We doe beleeve the communion of Saints and thus the Church have beleeved since the Apostles dayes and though Iohn Can doth confesse they were first converted by our Ministerie yet he condemneth those that doth partake in that holy worship contrary to the Counsell of the Holy Ghost in dispising Prophe●ie Thess. 5. 20. He writes himself Pastor of the auncient English Church and he doth condemne all the divines of our nation that there is not one a lawfull teacher in this age but himselfe yet it appeareth he is ignorant of the grounds of Religion Hebr. 6. 2. Whereas John Can doe command all those which do denie his grounds to sett downe their names and the place where they dwell I desire of him to shew his commission for I think he is vainly consaited and one that doth not know himselfe therefore fare unfitt to reprove those which have laboured more yeares in studie then he hath monts See his Booke Folio 60. The Publisher Post-scripe to the Reader IF any will-worship or Ceremonialist say that this bowing and ducking at the name or naming of Iesus is justified in Mr. Widdowes his Answer to Mr. Prin I reply first let us observe what a brand of an evill conscience he have which do defend this Superstition It is certainely knowne that Mr. Widdowes is knowne and detected to be but a drunken Divine a kind of mad-fellow and pot-companion and though ●e useth often as is credibly or reported to sweare by the sacred name of Iesus yet his answer for bowing at it was nothing but a Sottishe mad rayling Pamphlet replied unto and utterly confuted by Mr. Prin and he putt to a limping silence and a non plus But some of you Advocates for Baal will happily say that Mr Page forsooth hath hard and killed the Cow in justifying Widdowes and defending of bowing and cringing at the name or naming of Iesus which his pretended gravitie seeming grave stile and colloguing Dedication to his deere Mother the Vniversitie of Oxford But whosoever readeth his book with a single and impartiall eye must ●eeds say that it is likewise farced fuli of idle impertinencies sophistications and not free from absurdities falsities and blasphemous comparisons and revilings towards the person and junioritie of M. Prion though upon my certaine knowledge the learned Laick being betwixt 30 40 yeares old is of sufficient age ambilitie to encounter with any Iesuites Priest Arminian Anti-puritane or Collegelubber in Christendom as his learned Labours doe sufficiently testifie to the World And herein I will not decline but dare and doe appeale to all that are Orthodox Learned Godly and Wise-hearted of the aforesaid famous Vniversities And that the first of these above●named Advocates babbleth and the other blattereth They are allready fully confuted by these Pair of Orthodox Divines before in the twofold Treatise Aud therefore my premised Challenge standeth good Let therefore any opposite Reader in the name and feare of Christ Iesus forbeare further scoffing rayling or giering and in stead thereof if he be able take pen in hand and see what he can say to to the Challenge Iterum vale I have thought it not impertinent but very pertinent to annex hereto the Copie of an Arminians Character which I received from a freind as followeth An Arminian or meere Mountaguist IS an Animal scarce rational whose custome is before he hath well con●'d his Catechisme to read and applaud Peter Lombard and John Duns rather than Peter Martyr and Iohn Calvin and for more moderne Polemicks he preferres Bellarmine above Chamierus His garb or fashion when he comes from the Vniversity with affectation is to weare a long Cloke
relation they have to our Saviour it is too short a Cloke to cover your Idolatry For the same was the perswasion of the Israelites in their Golden Calfe which they did not honour for the matter colour fashion but for the relation it had to God that brought them out of Egypt Exod. 32. 4. 5. The like of Ieroboams Golden Calves 1 King 12. 28. So he Yea we may note also from the Rhemists owne confession that they place all their Religion in such superstition as the adoration of Images of the Crosse and of the name Iesus c. Seeing they charge Protestants with abolishing all true Religion out of the world by their abolishing Popish Superstitions And howsoever they would salve and colour over the matter that they worship no● the very syllables and name simply of Iesus yet in Revel 13. 17. they bew●ay their Hypocrasie and Idolatrie in charging Protestants for taking away the honour and reverence of the name of Iesus which name as the Iesuites Characterize in capitall Letters so they doe not obscurely ascribe honour and reverence to the very name IESVS But whereas they charge the Protestants by removing the worship of Images Crosses of the name Iesus and the like together with the things themselves out of their Churches to make roome for Antichrists Image Marke and Name We answer that these superstitions and idolatries of the whore of Babylon have beene the fittest Vshers to make roome for the Antichrist of Rome and the fairest colours to painte the whores face wath all specially this seemingly pious word innocent bowing at the name of Iesus And of all other the Iesuites have most need to advance the adoration of the name IEsus they having nothing of Christ but bare Iesus to make them Bar Iesusses to bewitch the World with this name that when men either heare the Societate Iesu they may bow to this Iesuiticall Societie or when they see I●HS in the frōt of their Books they may beleeve all to be Gospel written therein Thus we have sufficiently with a Cloud of witnesses cleered the Scripture from being any ground of superstitious adoration of the name of Iesus to which might be added a Catalogue more both of old and new writers and that both PROTESTANTS and Papists but it were both needlesse and would make an Epistle endlesse as this allready hath passed the bounds of an ordinary Letter And chiefly needlesse to heap up more testimonies seeing the Canon alleaged doth not alleage this or any other Scripture as hath beene observed How far then reacheth the command of the Canon in this case Surely not to any superstitious adoration of the name Jesus Superstition we all disclaime If to cap or knee bow or doffe at the naming of Iesus be superstitious the Canon chargeth it not Worship to Christ it commandeth spirituall and corporall Right and reason This command is Apostolicall Corinth 16. 20. But corporally or spiritually to worship Christ at the naming of Iesus rather than at the naming of Christ is to prefer the name Iesus before the name Christ a● of higher accompt whereas the Apostle Peter saith Let all the House of Israell know assuredly that God hath made that same Iesus whom ye have crucified both the Lord and Christ. So that to be Lord Christ is that name above every name seeing that Iesus in his humiliation is now made Lord and Christ in his exaltation Wherenpon it is that Beleevers are called Christians of Christ the Lord though the Antichristian Society affect to be called Iesuites as the more honourable Title When therefore the Canon saith When ●he Lord Iesus is mentioned c. it meaneth plainly the 〈◊〉 of Christ by any of his Name Titles or Attributes and so by a Synechdoche a part for the whole commandeth all due and lowly reverence to Christ yea to the whole Trinitie whensoever they are solemly mentioned by other of their Names For the purpose the person of Christ the Mediatour is expressed by sundry nams not only by the name IEsus but by the name Christ Immanuell by the Titles of Mediatour Saviour which is but Jesus in English David our King the Lord our righteousnesse This is the name whereby he shall be called The Lord our righteousnesse also Isa 9. 6. His name shall be called Wonderfull Counseller the Mightie God the everlasting Father the Prince of Peace Also Revel 19. 13. His name is called the Word of God and the like Now then we being commanded to give due and lowly reverence when we heare the Lord Iesus mentioned to weet when we heare his sacred Person mentioned we are consequently enjoyned to give due and lowly reverence to Christ whensoever by any of his sacred names whatsoever made knowne unto us in Scriptyre he is mentioned unto us But this will some say will be an infinite labour for then in time of divine service we should do nothing else almost but be bovving or doffing or the like Why who prescribes bovving or doffing or the like particular reverence or gesture Would they force or streine the CANON beyond the due limites It prescribes only due and lowly reverence in generall How is that Is not the generall externall reverence expressed in having our Heads uncovered in time of Service and Sermon Is not this a token of our subjection to the Lord Iesus Christ See Corinth 1. 11. 3. 4. So then we being in the Church with our heads uncovered in time of prayer and preaching Is not this a due and lowly reverenca Yea I say during the time of prayer and preaching For is it not all done in the name of Iesus Christ Doe we not pray in his name Doe we not preach in his name Christs name then being the summe subject of the sacred ministration who shall denie all due and lowly not only internall but also externall reverence to the Lord Iesus and to God the Father in his name while all along and throughout the name of Christ is celebrated in the sacred Ministration And this seemeth to be the summe of the CANON But some may object That the Canon enjoyneth reverence in generall as uncovering of the head and also some speciall reverence over and above when the Lord Iesus is mentioned I answer first this speciall reverence is not expressed what or how but as hath beene accustomed But the Superstitious custome of the Synagogue of Rome our Church disclaimeth as before Againe saying when the Lord Iesus is is mentioned not when the name Iesus is named If there be a speciall outward reverence to be done when the person of Christ or the Lord Iesus is mentioned then by the very words of the Canon this reverence is to be done wheu the Lord Iesus is expressed or mentioned by any one of his names titles or attributes as we shewed before which agreeth with the Institution at the Councell of Mentz according to Dr. Willets judicious observation fore-noted Otherwise to