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A61556 The grand question, concerning the Bishops right to vote in Parliament in cases capital stated and argued, from the Parliament-rolls, and the history of former times : with an enquiry into their peerage, and the three estates in Parliament. Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. 1680 (1680) Wing S5594; ESTC R19869 81,456 194

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