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B04736	Quakerism the mystery of iniquity discovered in a brief dialogue between a Christian & a Quaker: By way of supplement to my former papers exhibited in Dublin against them, in two of the most important particulars charg'd upon them; viz. the holy Scriptures, and our Lord Jesus Christ; in which it doth most evidently appear, that both are denied by them, in a true, Christian, and proper sense. / By John Plimpton.	Plimpton, John, fl. 1698.	1698 (1698)	Wing P2572; ESTC R181887	11,478	32

the authority of men or upon their own authority both the latter are absurd in your eyes therefore the former only is true Not from men nor tradition for thou sayest that is Popery and believing as the Church believes ibid. p. 142. again thou queriest p. 140 141. How shall I be assured the Scriptures came from God I am bound to try all things then them among the rest I would fain know what I must try them with with the Scriptures then the Scriptures must be the rule of my examination and Faith concerning themselves which is improper W. Pen hast thou not here reprobated the Scriptures with a witness certainly you are the most prodigious Hereticks and Imposters that ever any age did produce Qu. Whether the first Penman of the Scriptures was Moses or Hermes or whether both these are not one or whether there are not many words contained in the Scriptures which were not spoken by inspiration of the holy Spirit whether some words were not spoken by the grand Imposter some by wicked men some by wise men ill applied some by good men ill expressed some by false Prophets and yet true some by true Prophets and yet false Quakers Refuge p. 17. Chr. Well if it be thus then whether it is not dangerous to receive the Scriptures any further then they agree with the Light within and if Moses and Hermes be both one then whether thy query be not frivolous if not then whether the first with all the rest of thy queries be not very mischievous having this natural tendency to prejudice the weak Reader And so these things being taken collectively Whether 1st thou wouldst not throw aside a great part of the holy Scripture as doubtful particularly the Books of Moses 2. Whether thou wouldst not have some part to be diabolical 3. Some part false 4. Some part foolish both in expression and application 5. And some part little to be regarded though true beeause spoken by Lyars 6. Some part spoken by inspiration and yet of no Authority because false and so no part of it the true Record or Declaration of God's Love for the Salvation of Mankind for that or nothing is the implication of thy distinctions but what further hast thou to say Qu. Though we do say men ought to live up to those holy rules contained in the Scipture yet the reason why is that conviction they meet with from the Light in their own Consciences therefore the Light within is both our warrant for saith in and obedience to them Reason against rail pag. 48. Chr. Certainly thou W. Pen art a shameless man thou dost not care what thou dost affirm or deny so it may serve for thy Interest but if thou hast any shame in thee I will make thee asham'd Didst thou not affirm in pag. 47. that the greatest reason of your belief concerning the Prophesies and Promises recorded in the Scriptures was not from any outward thing but that inward testimony that you have received from the holy Light within you to the truth and faithfulness of those sayings And now W. P. after thou hadst writ all this and much more that might be minded thou hast charg'd T. H. with forgery because he charg'd the Quakers with the truth certainly thou must be an Athiest or a Person given up to a reprobate mind or else thou couldst not remain Impenitent as 't is evident thou dost by those Papers thou hast set forth of late Oh! W. Pen repent if thy day of grace be not over But since thou hast so much favour for the Scriptures as to receive them so far as they agree with the Light within pray tell me whether you do not esteem your own words as spoken immediately by the Spirit to be of greater authority then any Chapter in the Bible Qu. That which was spoken from the Spirit of truth in any is of as great authority as the Scriptures or Chapters are and greater G. W. Apol. pag. 49. Chr. But how can that which is spoken by a Quaker supposing though not granting to be from the Spirit of truth be of greater authority then that which the holy Spirit hath spoken in the Scriptures but since you exalt your words to be above the Scriptures pray what do you think of your writings Qu. Fox and Hubberth●rne in a Book of theirs called Truths Defence pag. 2. in answer to Parson Comelford of Stavely Chappel the Auth●●●aving sent some queries to the P … who instead of swering them burned them thereupon he tells the Parson the said Book and page that he might as well have condemned the Scriptures to the fire to be burned as his queries he sent him or that he might as well have said the saying of Christ and his Apostles were absur'd as his queries they meaning his Queries being given forth by the same Spirit c. Chr. Certainly these are great swelling words of Vanity if you propound queries to any they must be estemed equal with the Scriptures but if any propound queries to you they must be doom'd as conjured up in the black Art out of the bottomless pit that they are the Language of a white devil propounded in the subtilty of unclean wisdom only to carp cavil and to insnare the innocent Certainly were you such innocent Persons as you pretend to be you would never exalt your selves and debase all others nay you would not exalt your own words and writings above nor equal with the Scriptures But since you thus under-value the Scriptures don't you believe them to be the true sayings of God Qu. I have told thee before that some were spoken by false Prophets and yet true and some by true Prophets and yet false And Samuel Fisher in his rustick alarm to the Rabies tells thee that they are false and falsified both Transcripts and Translations yea that none of them are right Chr. Certainly you are vile wretches the very prodigy of the times we live in for should any wise man read and consider well what you have written he must needs conclude that you have conspir'd together to under-value the Scriptures and to expose them to the greatest scorn and contempt in the world But what saith W. Pen to this Qu. If the Scriptures are the rule they are so either in their Original or Copies if in their Original that is not extant then no rule in being for the last of it that was extant Was John's History at Ephesus not seen these thousand years if the Copies must be the rule it were to be wished we knew which were the rightest to the Original there being above thirty in number this is undetermined and for ought we see indeterminable and that which makes good what I say are the variety of readings among those Copies amounting to several thousands and if the Copies cannot how can the Translations be the rule so d●ffering from the true sence of the Copies in many things and from another besides I would fain know of ●hose

is plain you believe he hath no other body but his Church But do you believe he shall so come in like manner as he was seen go into heaven Qu. I deny he shall come visibly and tho' it be said in like manner yet every like is not the same G. Whitehead Christ ascended p. 22. Chr. Is not this a plain denial of Christ's second personal coming Qu. They are like to be deceived who are expecting Christ's second coming will be a Personal coming which word person you add to the Scriptures not minding the penalty Revel 22. G. W. ibid. p. 23. Chr. 'T is almost time to conclude but before we part let me tell thee that from what hath been said I do gather 1st That you assert that Christ was before he took that body and that the taking that body did constitute him Christ nay that it was no part of Christ 2. That Christ was never visible nor seen with carnal eyes 3. That Christ is God and God is the Light within and that this Light in it self is the Christ of God and that this Light was all the Christ that was crucified which was crucified only within 4. That Christ Heaven and God's right hand is only within 5. That Christ's second coming will neither be visible nor personal consequently that he is come as much as he will come I think by this time I may safely conclude that both the holy Scriptures and the true Christ is really denied by you notwithstanding your equivocations and therefore Quakerism is the Mistery of iniquity or in it self but a meer mystical Romance Qu. Strainings Perversions and false Inferences being the frequent practice of our Adversaries at which rate the Scriptures may be made to prove there is no God if these words the fool hath said in his heart be left out of the Text The Quaker a Christian p. 3 Chr. If thou thinkest fit I am willing to put it upon tryal In the mean time I do affirm I have done ye no wrong neither by curtailing straining or misapplying of your principles I have taken many things immediately from your own Books Some things indeed I have taken from Tho. Hick's Dialogues I hope that 's no offence to thee Qu. Tho. Hicks is guilty of vile forgeries Counterfeit Christian Title page Chr. I know you accuse Tho. Hicks of many things which I know he is not guilty of but dost thou indeed believe his quotations in his Dialogues are forgeries Qu. I never thought so much less writ so nor was that the question taking quotations for places cited as to book and page and if generally accepted by him Countefeit Chrian p. 17. Chr. Herein then dost thou justify both him and me from forgeries in this matter however I have seen the most part of what I have here written in your own Books I shall now take my leave of thee desiring thou mayest turn from Quakerism to Christianity I shall address my self to the Reader whom I would heartily desire he would seriously consider what is here written I design it for thy good and now Reader consider the true Christ is really denied by th● Quakers and if so they are no Christians and so I hope thou wilt carefully avoid them and then as I have said before all other doctrines fall to the ground I might min● many more of their gross errors which as yet I have no● done I shall mind but one and that is the Resurrectio● of the Dead which tho' they pretend to own in som● sense I say they own it in no true sense I recommen● all to the blessing of God and rest thy Friend JOHN PLIMPTON POSTSCRIPT W. Pen tells you in his last Pamphlet Intituled Truth furth●● cleared p. 44 45. Principle 15th that frou our denying t●● resurrection of the same natural and corruptible body we are made deny the Resurrection of any Body however spiritual and glorifi●● and even of eternal Reward too Now if the Body rise not and t●● soul be part of God ahen consequently all eternal Rewards are de●●ed the first is denyed by W. Pen. The 2d is asserted by G. Fox th● King and Prophet Great Mystery p. 29. 68. 90. 100. in which pl●ces 't is plain from his words that the soul being a spiritual substanc● is part of God and God's Being without beginning and infinit● consequently Angels and Devils are Gods being spiritual substanc● or part of God's Being Such horrid Blasphemy is G. Fox and 〈◊〉 Quakers Guilty of ☞ If any desire to have any of these Books let the● come to my Lodging at Mrs. Bruntons in Great T●●mas-Court where they may be supplied FINIS