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Marginall antidotes, to be affixed over against the lines of R.H. and E.B. their pamphlet, entituled, The rebukes of a reviler. Written and prescribed by John Stalham of Terling.
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Stalham, John, d. 1681.
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was my expression in my 112. pag. that he sees more evill in a sin of a thought a vain thought then another will or can see in a wicked oath or blasphemy and he will aggravate them in confession according to due circumstance as a Beam Ibid. Paul had not victory over sin and death while he groaned under it How boldly and falsly is this spoken When as with one breath Paul is both groaning and giving thanks about his present condition Rom. 7.24.25 see it farther cleared in my 114. 115. pages Ibid. God never justified any as a sinner but as made obedient through faith What will you make of those Scriptures Rom. 4.5 and chap. 5. ver 8.10 see my 120. 121. pages Pag. 42. The ungodly they were first called out of their ungodlinesse as whom he called them he also justified Whom he calleth he justifieth but he calleth sinners them therefore he justifieth He calleth sinners that they may believe to their justification from guilt to their sanctification from filth and them he glorifieth First in Title last in Possession Ibid. J. S. Would set the Law justice of God at a difference with the Gospel c. This Scribler Rants here if you observe it with his Pen as if he understood neither Law nor Gospel Ibid. The Righteousnesse of God will not leave men disobedrent nor sinners if ever they come to mercy But till they come to mercy doth Law-Justice set them free Gospel-Justice indeed for Christ's the sureties sake moved by mercy absolves them But the Justice of God unsatisfied by mens best conformity to the Law finds them guilty binds them hand and foot over to condemnation and execution Ibid. That Doctrine is accurst from God which saith the Justice of God's Law finds men sinners and leaves men so Let sinners tremble who believe not on true Gospel-justifying righteousnesse in Christ alone nor at this mans Cursing but at the Curse of Gods Law Gal. 3.10 Pag. 42. 43. He concludes it had been better the Scripture had not been known or written It had been better I said for him that shuts out Scripture from being Christ's Organ or the Spirits Instrument and meanes of Regeneration that he had never known the Scripture or written a word about it see my 138. page and observe a meer forgery in this Answer Pag. 43. J. S. Saying the Saints in Heaven hoped for the perfection of their bodies at the Resurrection and again contradicts that saying that at death they have a finall perfection c. not at all for the Saints perfection at death is onely in their Spirits or souls separated from their bodies which Bodies though they be perfectly redeemed already by prayers yet not so by power till the Resurrection Ibid. If people mind the Scriptur there is no such Doctrine in it as the Saints have not received the Redemption of their bodies If the blind lead the blind what will follow Let people turne to Rom. 8.23 24 25. And preserve their eye-sight or recover is if lost Pag. 45. If any turne from the truth into any act of uncleanness then they take that as a proof against those that abide in the truth It is proof sufficient a gainst absolute perfection in this life from which none had they it shall ever fall as did Adam and the Angels Pag. 46. These are they that plead for a life in sin while here and that say the Saintes glorified in Heaven do yet hope c. Christ himself expecteth the finall prosternation of his enemies Heb. 10.13 The Saints glorified may well hope for the Resurection of their bodies when Death the last enemy shall be destroyed Ibid. He speakes of a warfare which yet he himself never came unto How then feels he himselfe to be sinfull and hates the body of sin so as to desire and wait for the utter extirpation of it in himselfe Ibid. It is not sin that is the Condemnation but the light which lets men see their sinnes We must pardon his Ignorance who thus writes for sin is the proper cause and light but the accidentall casion of mens condemnation Ibid This I shall affirm that none comes unto godly sorrow but they deny dwelling sin and they that do not deny in-dwelling sin denies godly sorrow Here is a pretty subtilty couch't under ambiguous terms but know it is one thing to deny pleasure in consent love and obedience to in-dwelling sin as do all humble godly-sorrowing Saints and another thing to deny that sin dwelleth or remaineth in all the Saints upon earth as hath been the Quakers Doctrine the consequence whereof is to disclaim godly sorrow for fin dweling in them for have they any cause to be sorry as to themselves for that which is not radically in them Pag. 47. He is setting up obligations No legal ones Ibid. Of Reading Hearing Praying Preaching to which he saith Life and Salvation is promised As they are ordeined meanes of grace to which God hath annexed his promise in their right order and use not as meer duties done with a legall frame of Spirit Ibid. Page 47. All promises are to the seed What seed but that one Seed Jesus Christ primarily Gal. 3.16 and to all at Second-Hand who are Christ's true seed Gal. 3. last Ibid. Who reads his Book may see his proofs for Infant-Baptisme By consequence he would have Scripture speak c So let him read and search the Scriptures where many a truth is onely taught by consequence Pag 48. He never commanded them to be Baptised with water This is as true as that the Holy Ghost is no Person Ibid. He cannot prove in Justice that ever Infants-Baptisme was either commanded or practised with what equity or reason can you call for a command for water-Baptisme to Jnfants who deny it to the Adulti or them of yeares Pag. 49. J.S. Proves not that any thing which Christ instituted amongst the Saints onely was practised in the World among such who are not called He never undertook to prove the Lord's Supper for which R. H. is speaking to be common to all Pag. 50. Wast paper Pag. 51. He hath condemned all his own praying who confesseth he is wicked c. Wicked was not his expression 〈◊〉 but sinfull it is his shame and grief to be so but it 's his glory and comfort that he 〈…〉 himself to be so Ibid. All the saints upon earth who have the Spirit of Christ shall witnesse against J.S. 〈…〉 is a wide 〈…〉 as any 〈…〉 pamphlet is stuffed withall Pag. 52. What is this to the purpose to prove the world must sing 〈…〉 The Reader will here find much waste paper Page 54. The Call to the true Ministory and Eldership is not by man nor of man but by the Lord according to Gal. 1.1 That Scripture is vindicated and cleared in my 211 page Pag. 54.55 More waste paper Pag. 56. When the Law of the Land ceases to maintein them which will come sooner then they expect then
Marginall Antidotes TO BE Affixed over against the lines of R. H. and E. B. their PAMPHLET ENTITULED The Rebukes of a Reviler Written and Prescribed by JOHN STALHAM of Terling PROV 26.4 5. Answer not a fool according to his folly lest thou also be like unto him Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit LONDON Printed for Edward Brewster and are to be sold at his shop at the Signe of the Crane in St. Pauls Church-yard 1657. Marginal Antidotes c. Their Pamphlet thus Prefaceth page 3. WHereas the ancient of dayes hath appeared c. A transforming mist to amaze the simple Reader pag. 3. 4. 5. 6. as afterwards pag. 18 19 20. Pag. 7. shamelesly stiling the pure light of Christ perverse principle and selfe-adorning-light Quakers adore their own light and magnify natural light as if it were Gospel-saving light this is from the perverse principle of their fleshly wisedome Pag. 8. O! How fain would J. S. sinfull indeed In the sence that Regenerate men have acknowledged see Pag. 149. of my Book entituled The Reviler rebuked Ibid Whether he meanes any one may not I determine not strike them Corporally c. Not any but those authorized and that either Se defendendo or for a criminall offence Pag. 9. Would wickedly make men believe that these mens Tenents sc the Quaker's are as Reprobate stuff as the Jesuites Some of their Tenents I said ' witness their Doctrine of Justification Their blasphemies as horrid as the Popish Parasites Witness Jam. Nayler and his followers Pag. 10. Would have some Stigmatized For their crimes I said not bare opinions which are notorious and grosse seandalous practises Ibid. Who art a reviler of the light of Christ calling it perverse Principle The liberty these men take to wrest adde or detract is hereby evident for I never called the light of Christ perverse Principle but as above in that they set up something in the room of Christ i. e. themselves and their common candle-light of reason which they worship and adore as some have of old the light of the Firmament this self-adoring light is their perverse Principle Pag. 11. In the sight of his Church that his shame may not appear before them The Church here is ashamed of your Doctrines and walkings Pag. 12. All are Reprobates but such in whom Christ is within them Then all the Elect are Reprobates before Conversion Ibid. I ask a proof of this sc Christ's blessing of Infant-Baptisme Many thousands have wil seal unto it Pag. 13. He seemes to charge the Scripture with false Translations The Scripture in the true sence is the believers Rule True Translations may vary in words yet not Deviate from the true sence Pag. 14. His wickednesse appeares by reproching and reviling dead men such as H. N. Jacob B. W. E. This is no judgment in my Epistle pass'd upon the men but upon and according to their Doctrines Pag. 15. Shall the honest Reader receive this for truth that the light of Christ Jesus is a perverse Principle This the fifth time the Answerer hath falsified my sence and words as to this one passage See Antidote upon his page 7. and 10. Ibid. Wee demand what these Jesuiticall plots and designs are we do carry on They are your scattering seeds of Popery and fomenting seeds of division among Protestants and Puritans in profession to carry them more and more back to Babylon Pag. 16. We do not allow that J. S. be our Interpreter Your words compared one Book and page with another and all examined by Scripture interpret themselves which was J. S. his faithfullness to discover how contradictious they are Ibid. His judgment is but out of his old lying heart This is their charity if we confesse we have something of the old man in us to judg that all we write and speak proceed from the old principle and nothing from the new creature Pag. 17. Not in the light of the Spirit do we in any one particular insisted upon by him contradict the Scripture You do not see your contradictions through want of Spirituall light and eyes together Ibid. Out of J. S. deceitfull heart * I shall not retort but pray for all simple Readers and Revilers Pag. 18 19. For as much as many have been moved Another transforming mist and a bold but feigned imitation of Luke Chap. 1.1 c. Pag. 20. And now as the Prophet Joel Prophesied is it come and coming to passe Joel 2 2 3 4. 10 11. An abuse of the Prophet Joel who is literally to be understood in the place quoted and Chap. 2. to be Expounded by Chap. 1. ver 3.6.12 c. Pag. 21. The ground in him and the heart out of which this abundance of words in his book proceeds is the root of all errour see 2d Animadversion upon pag. 16. Ibid. Yet the root of all sin is in him and seen by him not mortified Becaus Paul said there dwelt no good thing in his flesh did he therefore write no truth in his Epistles It followeth as well as these mens reasoning An old Heart and a new are both at the same time not raigning but the old remaining in part and the new raigning over the old in the same Christian See 113. 114. pages of my Book Pag. 22. Such who be in the state as J. S. confesseth he is J. S. said not that he is in the state of sin but that sin the root of every sin is in him and others during the state of naturall Life Pag. 23. The Letter taken strictly being legall c. The Spirit is given by this Not by this but by that part of the word which is the Gospel promise See my Book pag 4. Yet the Spirit worketh by the Legall Letter see how page 6. Pag. 24. Though J. S. say that not one man in the World knows God to be God till he findes him in the Scripture If he had so said it were to be taken in the sence given in my Book pag. 66. but my words are to be read as they are pag. 69. Not one man c. knows him speaking of Christ to be God till he finds him in the Scripture John 1.45 Pag. 25. Again I. S. saith that the Authority of the Scriptures is owned among the Jewes to this day The Authority of Moses and the Prophets I onely speak of see my 13. page Ibid. J. S. saith as deep things as the Spirit hath revealed they are all in the Scripture Answer Nay As Gold pieces of 10. and 20. â— are in the gold One. Ibid. There was things revealed which was unutterable and many things written which is not in the Scriptures as the Book of Nathan the Prophet c. we know by Scripture the e was such things revealed and such Books written see my 17. 18. with 67. pages Pag. 26. Why doth he not as well hear witnesse that Pauls Epistle to the Laodiceans was read as the Word