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A85327 Faith in five fundamentall principles, strongly fortified against the diabolical, atheisticall, blasphemous batteries of these times Serving for the conviction of opposers, the satisfaction of doubters, and the confirmation of believers. In a conference which a godly independent minister and a godly Presbyterian minister had with a doubting Christian. By E.F. a seeker of the truth. Fisher, Edward, fl. 1627-1655. 1650 (1650) Wing F993; Thomason E1375_2; ESTC R209221 23,410 56

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FAITH In Five Fundamentall Principles Strongly Fortified against the Diabolical Atheisticall blasphemous Batteries of these Times Serving for the conviction of Opposers the satisfaction of Doubters and the Confirmation of Believers In a Conference which a godly Independant Minister and a godly Presbyterian Minister had with a doubting Christian By E. F. a seeker of the Truth 2 COR. 13. 8. We can do nothing against the truth but for the truth LONDON Printed for John Wright at the Kings Head in the old Bailey 1650. The Author to the Reader LIke as it is good Military policy when the Inhabitants of one City do heare and understand that the common enemy hath not onely assaulted but also vanquished another City within the same Dominions to use all the means they can to fortifie themselves against him even so do I conceive it to be good Christian policy when one Christian doth heare and understand that the common enemy Satan hath not onely assaulted but also vanquished the faith of others to use al the means he can to fortifie his own Therefore I being credibly given to understand that this foule Fiend hath vanquished the faith of some men touching these five Fundamentall Principles did thinke it to be good policy in me to use all the means I could to fortifie my faith in them by searching all the Magazines I could finde for the best Ammunition therein contained and to place it in the best order I could for my faith's defence And having so done considering it to be Ammunition of that nature as might be communicated to the defence of others and yet be no lesse usefull to my self I thought it my duty to make it common by committing it to the Presse But yet alas what are all these humane perswasions grounded on reason without the testimony of Gods Spirit in our hearts truly nothing Let us therefore in the reading of these things lift up our prayer to God for the powerfull work of his Spirit to seale up unto our hearts the truth of these Principles And the Lord grant our Petitions for his Mercies sake in Christ Amen FAITH in five Fundamentall PRINCIPLES INTERLOCUTORS A moderate Independant Minister A moderate Presbyterian Minister And a tempted doubting Christian Presbyterian YOu are well met good Mr. B. whither are you going so fast this way if a man may know Ind. Why truly Mr. H. I am going whither I wish you would go also and that is to meet a man whom I am perswaded is truly godly and yet by reason he hath been accustomed of late to frequent the meetings of divers erronious persons he seemeth to be somewhat tainted with divers of their erronious opinions at least to make question of divers fundamentall truths and is unsetled in his judgement and my intent in going to meet with him is to do mine indeavour to shew him the truth and settle him in the same And truly Sir if your occasions will permit you I think you shall do very well if you go with me and afford us your assistance Pres But Sir if we go shall we be sure to meet with him think you and will he be willing to confer with us Ind. Sir the man seems to be of an humble spirit and willing to see his errours and to know the truth and it is his own desire that I should meet him this day at a convenient place not far hence to answer his doubts Pres Well Sir then will I defer the businesse which I was going about till to morrow and go along with you 〈◊〉 you do desire it and spend this afternoon with you Ind. The houre he hath appointed for our meeting is one of the clock and I think it is now about that time Pres Yea indeed I think it is Ind. Well yonder 's is the place and yonder comes the man Pres Doth he meet you alone Ind. Yea so it seems Christ Oh Sir are you come according to your promise how much am I obliged unto you Ind. Yea I am not onely come my selfe but meeting with this godly Minister by the way I have desired him to come along with me Christ Sir I humbly thank you I know Mr. H. very well and he is very welcome to me Ind. Well now my loving friend if you will be pleased to propound your doubts we shall be ready to answer you as the Lord shal enable us Christ Why truly Sir as you know I hinted unto you before I have lately been where many points of Divinity have beene questioned and controverted and some of them flatly denied which hath made many scruples arise in my heart and especially about five fundamentall principles Ind. What be they I pray you Christ Why truly I am afraid to name them yet being I am in hope to receive satisfaction from you I shall adventure to tell you First that I make some question whether there be a God Secondly whether those Books which are called the Scriptures be the Word of God Thirdly Whether the Sonne and Holy Ghost be God Fourthly Whether the soule of man be immortall And fifthly Whether there shall be a resurrection of the body And to tell you the truth all these things are denied by some in whose company I have lately been Ind. Surely it is a sad and lamentable thing that men in these daies are growne to such a height of impiety as flatly to deny these fundamentall truths and so as it were to pluck up the foundation it self surely these men are meer Libertines and licentious men for as the firme and strong believing of these first Principles is the ground of our exact and even walking with God so when men do not onely question them but also flatly deny them it is the very roade way to all wickednesse and ungodlinesse it is therefore time for us that are Ministers to labour to strengthen these Principles both in our own hearts and in the hearts of others but blessed be God my friend though you make some question of them yet you do not flatly deny them so that there is much more hopes of rooting out these seeds of Atheisme out of your heart then out of theirs who flatly deny them Touching the being of the Godhead And therefore I beseech you in the first place consider that the first of these five Principles to wit That there is a God may be most clearly demonstrated by plain naturall reason for as Calvin truly saith God hath planted in all men a certain understanding of his Divine Majesty so that all men none excepted do know there is a God for indeed there is ingraven in the minds of men a certain feeling of the Godhead And to tell you truly this Doctrine That there is a God is such a Doctrine as every man is a teacher thereof unto himself even from his mothers womb yea and such a Doctrine as the first use of reason is imployed about and which nature suffereth no man to forget And although there have been some