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A31661 A dialogue between a pædo-baptist and an anti-pædo-baptist containing the strength of arguments offered on both sides at the Portsmouth disputation, with the addition of a few more arguments then ready to be offered in vindication of infant baptism / by Samuel Chandler and William Leigh. Chandler, Samuel.; Leigh, William. 1699 (1699) Wing C1931; ESTC R35977 16,321 29

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not kept out Because Jews and Gentiles have the same Privileges in Christ. This I suppose no Anti-Paedo-Baptist will deny Col. 3. 11. Other Arguments might be offered as the Reader may observe in the Abridgment of Mr. Chandler's Sermons prefix'd to our Impartial Account But a design of Brevity forbids here to add them Anti-P But after all the best Arguments you can offer for Infant-Baptism are but Consequential Let us have somewhat Express P. Bapt. Shew me where an Adult Person is expresly Commanded to be Baptized Anti-P Adult Persons making a credible profession of Faith are Disciples of Christ therefore brought to be Ba●●●zed P. Bapt. And what is this but Consequence Such a one is a Disciple therefore by consequence he ought to be Baptized This Argument is convincing I add a Believer's Infant is in a Scripture sense Holy a Church Member hath a visible right to that Promise Acts 2. 39. a Disciple therefore he ought to be Baptized Is not this Arguement as convincing as the other Pray how would you clear up your Right to future Happiness Anti-P I would endeavour to prove myself a Believer an Holy Person And finding Eternal Life made over to such and not finding upon the most strict enquiry one word in all the Book of God to exclude such from it I should conclude my right to future Happiness unquestionable P. Bapt. Well then I have proved the Infants of Believers Holy Persons Church-Members Disciples and this in a Scripture sense such I have proved entituled to Baptism And not finding upon the most strict enquiry one word in all the Book of God to exclude them from it I conclude their right to Baptism unquestionable Arguments for the Baptism of an Unbaptized Professing Christian nay for the true Christian's Salvation are Consequential and yet most Convincing Why then should Arguments for the baptism of Believers Infants be slighted because Consequential when they are so many and so clear from Scripture POSTSCRIPT Reader TO Prevent unjust Reflections our design in this Dialogue was not strictly to confine our selves to the words of the Disputation but to present thee with the Strength thereof therefore something then omitted on both sides are here Inserted others more intelligibly express'd and we think nothing of Weight then deliver'd is here Concealed And whereas other Arguments here totally passed by might be urged to good Purpose particularly from Rom. 11. some Hints of which are given in our Impartial Account Page 4. Second Edit We hope necessary confinement to Brevity will be a sufficient Excuse to the Ingenious BOOKS Printed for Abr. Chandler AN Impartial Account of the Portsmouth Disputation with some Just Reflections on Dr. Russel's pretended Narrative By Samuel Chandler William Leigh and Benjamin Robinson With an Abridgment of those Discourses that were the Innocent occasion of that Disputation and an Healing Preface to the Sober Anabaptists The Second Edition with a Postscript Price 1 s. The Young Scholar's Guide through the English to the Lattin or Writing-School Wherein the Nature and Use of Vowels Consonants Diphthongs c. are demonstrated by plain Tables and the Rules for Dividing long Words into Syllables made useful to Children by sutable Examples to each Rule by which a Child that hath learned his Letters may be speedily taught to Read English Exactly c. With some useful Observations in Orthography Price Stitch'd 3 d. Sacramental Discourses on several Texts before and after the Lord's-Supper By Mr. Iohn Shower Of the Duty of Grace Or a Discourse concerning the Possibility and fear of its being past before Death Shewing the groundless Doubts and mistaken Apprehensions of some as to their being finally Forsaken and Left of God With the dangerous Symptoms and Approaches of others to such a sad State In Four Sermons from Psalm 81. 11 12. By Mr. Iohn Shower * See our Account p. 70 71. for further Answer * See our Account pag. 74. See our Account * See our Account p. 73 74. * I refer it to the Learned whether this be not the fairest Translation of the Words * Thus the 〈◊〉 taken Mat. 13. 47. 48 49. comp with v 41 Mat. 11. 11. Mat. 25 1. Mat. 5. 19. See our Impartial Account p. 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40. See our Account page 37 38. See our Account p. 75 76 77. The Greek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may well be rendred Custom See our Account p. 81. See our Account p. 78 79. * 1 Cor. 5. 8. Can't 5. 1. * Isa. 44. 3. Heb. 12. 24. 1 Pet. 1. 2. * Deut. 7. 6. * 1 Cor. 3. 17. * The great advantages of Infant Church-membership see in our Account p. 8.
A DIALOGUE BETWEEN A Paedo-Baptist AND AN Anti-Paedo-BAPTIST Containing the Strength of ARGUMENTS Offered on both sides at the Portsmouth Disputation WITH The Addition of a few more Arguments then ready to be offered in Vindication of Infant-BAPTISM By Samuel Chandler and William Leigh LONDON Printed for A. Chandler at a Glover's Shop over against the White-Hart-Inn in Aldersgate-street and Sold by A. Baldwin 1699. TO THE READER BEcause Dr. Russel or some Friend of his did a while since disgrace the Press with some scraps of their Narrative stuff'd with Nonsense and Partiality nay and by its Title did delude the Vulgar with an Imagination that it contained the true State of the Portsmouth Disputation and the same how Unjust soever being Cheap hath been scatter'd throughout most parts of the Kingdom Therefore by Advice of our Brethren from various Parts we have offered so far as this small Tract would admit the strength of Arguments then urged on both Sides omitting Names and Personal Reflections apprehending this way may be most Grateful to Persons seriously Inquisitive We have also annex'd a few Arguments which with others were then ready to be urg'd had the Company 's Satisfaction requir'd and the approaching Evening admitted If this fall into the hands of the Learned we request them to remember That it is designed for Persons of meaner Capacities that neither understand Ornaments of Speech nor affect Terms of Logick If it fall into hands more Illiterate yet willing to receìve Divine Truths we request of them that they would weigh it in the Balance of Scripture and Sanctified Reason yea and we request of God that they may Sam. Chandler Will. Leigh QUESTION I. Whether according to the Commission of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Adult Believers only are the Proper Subjects of Baptism and not Infants Asserted by Anti-paedo-Baptists THE Controversy is Whether Christ's Ministers ought 1. To deny Baptism to the Infants of professed Christians 2. To Baptize those at Mature Age who by vertue of descent from professed Christians were Baptized with a small quantity of Water in Infancy The first Argument offer'd at the Disputation by the Anti-paedo-Baptists I consider last because there it will come to be more fairly Answered Anti-poedo-Baptist I prove then That no Infants can be the Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission Argument 1. No Infants can be made Disciples by the Ministry of Men therefore no Infants can be the Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission Mat. 28. 19. Go teach c. or Disciple all Nations c. Paedo-Bapt I deny your whole Argument and 1. I assert If they could not be made Disciples by the Ministery of Men yet this Text would not exclude them from Baptism And then 2. I assert That they be made Disciples by the Ministery of Men. Anti-Paed Christ puts Teaching before Baptism therefore it goes before and consequently Infants are Excluded Paedo-Bapt This is a weak way of Arguing The word is placed before in Scripture therefore the thing signified must go before Were this true then Baptism must go before Confession of Sin in the Adult because it 's said They were Baptized Confessing their sins Mat. 3. 6. Nay Sanctification and Preservation in Christ must go before Calling Iude 1. But the contrary is evident to all But farther Infants may be Disciples and therefore by your own Argument may be Baptized they may be Taught in their Parents as well as the Kohathites keep the Charge of the Sanctuary in their Parents from a Month old Numb 3. 28. Or Levi pay Tithes in Abraham Heb. 7. 9. Or the Israelites in David's time rejoice in their Ancestors on the Banks of the Red Sea Ps. 66. 6. There did we rejoice c. i. e. as considered in our Parents Anti-Paed But how can this be by the Ministery of Men Paedo-Bapt 1. By the Preaching of Men Parents may be constrain'd to resign their All to God and so their Infants 2. They are immediately Discipled by Men's Ministery when Parents and Ministers concur in their Solemn Dedication to God by Baptism Anti-Paed But Teaching and Learning make the Relation between Master and Scholar Paedo-Bapt The contrary is most true the Master doth care for and command the Scholar is subject in order to Instruction and Resignation of the Scholar or his Parents for him and Acceptance of the Master constitutes the Relation and by virtue hereof the Scholar is as much obliged to submit to his Master according to his Capacity before he touches a Book as when he hath learned Seven Years If Teaching were the ground of this Relation then Persons long since Dead might be our Governors Iob 8. 8 10. The former Age and their Fathers shall teach thee Nay the Beasts of the Field may be our Masters too Iob 35. 11. Who teacheth us more than the Beasts of the Earth c. We may learn of them and yet be our own Governors But Christ's Disciples are resigned to him in order to their being both Governed Taught and Disposed of by him according to their Capacity Anti-Paed Argum. 2. Paul did declare the whole Counsel of God and yet did never declare the Baptism of Infants therefore Infant-Baptism is no part of the Counsel of God Paedo-Bapt Neither ever did Paul declare That the Baptism of Believers Children ought to be delay'd till they can Personally profess their Faith therefore thir Practice being such is no part of the Counsel of God Take the Argument to your self and make the most of it 2. But I hope to prove Infant-Baptism from Paul's Words 1 Cor. 7. 14. Rom. 11. But pray Is nothing part of the Counsel of God but what stands on Record as delivered by Paul Anti-Paed Nothing and therefore not Infant-Baptism Paedo-Bapt If nothing then how great a part of the History of the Old World of the succeeding Patriarchs of the Ceremonial Law of Prophecies Gospel-History and other Sacred Matters in Holy Writ is no part of the Counsel of God The Truth therefore is Paul might declare Infant-Baptism an hundred times in his vast number of Sermons and Pious Discourses and yet the Holy Ghost might not see fit to insert it as delivered by him this Doctrine being sufficiently Established in other New-Testament Texts But farther These words were spoken to the Church of Ephesus And all that remains on Record of what he spake to them in two Years Acts 19. 9 10 11. is but the Epistle to the Ephesians and this in Acts 20. And dare any say That he never declared it to them because it 's not herein contained Here because some Anabaptists from Dr. Russel's false Narrative do report That we pretended at the Disputation that six Leaves of Paul's Writings containing Infant-Baptism may be lost therefore we will tho otherwise 't were impertinent give a true representation of that Matter The Doctor 's weak Evasions did force us to make our Answers evident beyond all Contradiction And thus we Argued If there were