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A68023 A briefe examination for the tyme, of a certaine declaration, lately put in print in the name and defence of certaine ministers in London, refusyng to weare the apparell prescribed by the lawes and orders of the realme In the ende is reported, the iudgement of two notable learned fathers, M. doctour Bucer, and M. doctour Martir ... translated out of the originals, written by theyr owne handes, purposely debatyng this controuersie. Parker, Matthew, 1504-1575.; Bucer, Martin, 1491-1551.; Vermigli, Pietro Martire, 1499-1562.; Hooper, John, d. 1555. 1566 (1566) STC 10387; ESTC S101661 56,521 86

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second foundation of your reasons is that these diuersities of vestures were inuented of Antichrist therefore we ought not only to forsake the Pope but all his inuentions Besydes this ye woulde haue all maner of difference of vestures and apparell of Ministers to be taken away Wherefore seyng these two be the chiefe strength of your argumentes I wyll fyrst intreate of them Afterwarde I wyll adde what soeuer it be yf I can call to my remembraunce any other thyng brought in of you to confirme your opinion In Moses lawe or Priesthood after Aarons order there were sacramentes with the whiche it pleased God to confirme as I myght say by puttyng his seale to them the promises made of Chryst commyng I knowledge do graunt that all these thynges be abrogated neuer to be brought in agayne for we beleue that Christ is alredye come and not that he wyll come And we haue other seales in Scripture delyuered to vs of Chryste hym selfe in the Gospell bread wyne and water therfore we neede not call agayne signes for this purpose vsed in the olde Testament There were also in that lawe other signes actions so ordeyned that they could not be properly called Sacramentes and yet they had some respect to comelynesse to order and to some commoditie And these I iudge may be restored retayned as thinges agreeyng to the lyght of nature and inducyng to some profitable vse Who doth not see that the Apostles to the intent they that beleued myght lyue more peaceably and quietlye dyd commaunde the Gentyles to abstayne from bloud and strangled And yet these thynges without all doubt were fetched frō the order of Aaron if ye wyl comprehend generallye all thynges whiche was in the olde lawe And there is none of vs ignoraunt but that the tenthes was fetched from thence which now in our dayes be appoynted to fynde the Ministers of the Church thorowout Christendome You can not wel proue by the Scriptures of the new Testament that Psalmes and Hymnes were songue in the Churche at publique seruice which thyng yet appeareth most playnelye to be done in the olde Testament I wyll here omit that Saint Ambrose in his exposition vpon the. xiiii Chapter of the fyrst to the Corinthians sayth moste playnely that the maner of prophesying whiche Paule teacheth was deryued out of the Sinagoges into our Churches To these I could bryng foorth other thynges and that not a fewe in number yf tyme suffered me to consider diligently the matter which our Church haue borowed out of Moses decrees And that I may speake only of holy dayes which we kepe in memory of our Lordes resurrection byrth and death of Chryst Pentecost shoulde we therfore abolyshe them because they be the reliques of the olde law You see as I suppose by all these thynges howe that not all that pertayned to the Priesthood of Aaron is so abolyshed that nothyng of it maye be retayned or vsed of vs at these dayes Nor here ye shal not by and by saye that this is nothyng els but to open a wyndowe to all abuses as to holy water sensynges in the Churche and to infinite suche other For the aduersaries wyll strayght shape you this aunswere Fyrst of all that there must be limitted a measure in any case as well of those that be reserued as those that shalbe brought agayne into the Churche And secondarylye that no opinion or vertue of religion is at all to be attributed vnto them contrarywise to that we see is done of the papistes in theyr holy water sensyngs Last of all there must good heede be taken lest our Christian libertie be brought into some daunger which shoulde be in ease yf y t such thyngs as be reserued or restored be appoynted necessarye meanes for to obteyne saluation For so are such thynges to be brought in agayne or to be tollerated that they be layde away when they appeare not to be put to good vse And so it seemeth to me we must do at this tyme with this diuersitie of apparell accordyng as I declared my mynde before For I woulde and nowe wyshe that they were layde asyde but forsomuch as yet hytherto it hath not preuayled vntyll better may be I thynke we ought to beare them And yf it pleased God I woulde that the Churches of Germany myght redeeme theyr libertie with this one inconuenience although I wishe by al meanes that no superstuous thyng shoulde be forced vpon them But let vs consider your other argument that is to say It is not lawfull to vse these kinde of vestures because they were inuented of the popes tiranny In this poynt I do not well perceyue howe it maye be affirmed for a suretie that we can vse nothyng that perteyned to the Pope and is vsed in popery Truely we must take good heede that we bryng not the Churche of Christ into such bondage that it may not vse any thyng that the Pope vsed It is very true that our forefathers toke the temples of Idols turned them into holy Churches where Christ should be worshypped And they toke also the salarie and reuenues consecrated to the Idolles of the Gentyles to theyr wicked shewes and playes and to theyr holy votaries virgins transposed it to finde the Ministers of the Church And yet all these thynges dyd not onlye seruyce vnto Antichrist but vnto the deuyll Yea the holy Ecclesiasticall wryters dyd not sticke to take the Uearses of Poetes which had ben dedicated vnto Muses and to other diuers gods goddesses for to be played in playes and spoken in shewes to obteyne the fauour of theyr gods I saye they dyd nothyng stycke or feare to vse them when it seemed to them conuenient imitatyng Paule the Apostle who stocke nothyng at all to rehearse for his purpose Menander Aratus and Epimenydes that he did in intreatyng the holy Scripture appliyng prophane wordes to set forth gods religion We reade also howe that Wyne was consecrated vnto Bacchus Bread vnto Ceres Water vnto Neptune Oyle vnto Minerua Letters vnto Mercury Song vnto the Musis and vnto Apollo and many other thynges Tertullian rehearseth in his ▪ booke entituled de Corona militis Christiani where almost he entreateth this selfe same argument Yet for al that we stycke not to vse all these thynges freely aswell in holy as in prophane vses although at one tyme or other before they had bē consecrated to Idolles and to deuyls Howbeit I wyll not graunt that these diuersities of vestures haue their begynnynges of the Pope forsomuch as I reade in the Ecclesiasticall Hystory howe that John the Apostle wore at Ephesus where he dwelled a byshops apparell tearmyng it Petalum seu lamina Pontificalis As touchyng Saint Ciprian the holye Martir Pontius the Deacon writeth that a litle before he shuld be beheaded he gaue vnto hym that was appoynted to behead hym his vesture called Birrus after he had put it of to the Deacons he gaue his other vesture