but withall haue ouerwhelmed it with sundrie errours The first is this You pretend them to bee refused by the Iewes because they were written in a language not vnderstood by them What Did not Hierome out of Chaldie translate Tobit Did not the Iewes in their Dispersion vnderstand the Greeke tongue namely in the Greekish Septuagint Why was the Epistle to the Hebrewes written in Greeke if they were ignorant of the language The like is to be said of the Epistles of Saint Iames and Saint Peter Now tell me Doe not you acknowledge our Apocryphall Bookes to haue beene written in Greeke and yet was not Sirach's Sonne a Iew Did not Philo and Iosephus being Iewes write in Greeke The second is rather a scoffe then an errour Not vnlike that of some men partly Arrians and partly Barrowists which call the Athanasian Creed the Creed of Sathanasius This is like that which is more then yea and nay for it comes of euill Your third errour is that you acknowledge the traditionarie testimonie of the Church for the Bookes of Scripture and yet explode all tradition not only as needlesse but euen as damnable Your fourth errour is that you ascribe more to the Iewish Synagogue then to the Christian Church For you heard before out of Hierome that the Christians receiued these Bookes N. They receiued them but as Apocryphall I. And yet they read them in the Church N. They were men and might erre For wee are assured that these Bookes are not agreeable to the Canon as containing and maintaining manifold errours and therefore may bee the Canon neither of Faith nor of Manners I. Wee denie that you can finde any errour in these Bookes concerning Manners Now touching Faith fundamentall errours wee acknowledge none in them If any pettie fault or slip be found our subscription is safe But now bring forth the errours in their numbers and armies N. The Apocryphall Bookes are either such as are reputed so by the Papists themselues namely the third and fourth of Esdras and the prayer of Manasses besides some other Bookes not expressed in our Common Bibles or such as are so accounted of by the Protestants onely whereof some be not read some be Of the first kinde are certaine portions of Hester also Susanna Bell and the Dragon and the two Bookes of the Maccabees And here I maruell much that the first Booke of Maccabees is not read in your Church considering you say it is a key to the Mysteries of Daniel I. Euen for the same cause that wee reade not other Bookes of the Chronicles and Other Volumes of holy Scripture N. This cause shall hereafter be tried Now the Bookes that you read are Historicall or Dogmaticall The Historicall be either whole Bookes or a fragment Of the first sort are Tobit and Iudith The Booke of Tobit containeth errours of things to be beleeued or to be done The first sort concerneth either Angels or the Meanes of our preseruation Angels bee good or euill In the good we may consider the name and nature concerning the first The Booke setteth downe the name of an Angell calling him Å¿ Tobit 3. 17. Raphael whereas Angels names ought not to be enquired t Gen. 32 29. after as being u Iudg. 3. 18. secret I. The Bookes of x Dan. 19 21. â—0 21. Daniel of y Luke 1. 19. Luke of z Iud. 9. Iude and of Saint a Apoc. 12. 7. Iohn doe set downe the names of Angels after which we should not enquire because they be secret are they therefore Apocryphall N. These names are not secret to God's Spirit which hath reuealed them to vs in these Bookes I. And why may not God's Spirit reueale the name of Raphael in this Booke N. This name Raphael is not extant in any other Booke of Scripture and therefore it seemes to be a tearme Apocryphall I. If a Iew should thus reason I finde the names Gabriel and Michael specified no where but in Daniel it seemes therefore the Booke should be Apocryphall what answere would you returue if you were a Iew and beleeued neither S. Luke S. Iude nor Saint Iohn N. I would answer It is sufficient that these names are recorded in one Booke of Scripture I. So it is sufficient though Raphael bee named no where but in Tobit vnlesse you beg the question Besides the names of Angels are of two sorts Some expressing their nature some their office Of this latter kinde is the name of b Isa 6. 2. Seraphim which signifies burning because one of them touched the Prophets lips with a burning coale To this head wee may referre Raphael which signifieth one that healeth from God because he healed Sara and Tobit Lastly the place in Iudges by you alleadged is impertinent The Angell which appeared might bee Christ who said his name was Secret or Wonderfull The like Isaiah saith of c Isa 9. 6. Christ hee shall call his name the Wonderfull and so forth So that the Angell may seeme rather to haue reuealed his name to Manoah then to haue d God shewed the burning of Sodom to Abraham and yet not to Lot The time of death to Ezekiah not to vs. concealed it from him N. From the name of Angels we come to their nature wherein wee will trie their number and their office Touching the first this Booke determineth that their are seauen e Tobit 12. 15. Angels c. which is partly Magicall partly Popish For first the Magitians especially the Iewes numbred seuen Angels according to the seuen dayes of the weeke For Sunday Raphael then Gabriel Sammael Michael Izidkiel Hanael f See Iunius vpon this place Rephariel I. The Booke of Tobit doth not designe these Angels by dayes much lesse reckoneth their names though two of them namely Gabriel and Michael are found elsewhere in Scripture By what tradition the Iewes vnderstood the rest we know not But first we are sure the Angell tels Daniel that hee was one of the chiefe g Dan 10. 13. Angels Secondly this number of seuen may probably be thus collected The seuen eyes in h Zach. 3. 9. Zacharie are by Saint Iohn expounded to bee the seuen spirits which are sent into all the i Apoc. 5 6. world And what should be meant by these Spirits but Angels Againe Saint Iohn twice mentioneth seuen k Apoc. 8. 6. 16. 1. Angels it is not sufficient for you to exclaime that this is Magicall Wee rather credit the Scriptures affirming then your negatiue supposals N. The seuen spirits are expounded the Holy Ghost I. The exposition is but your owne N. What Doe you suppose that Iohn prayes for grace and peace from Angels I. Not as from causes but as from instruments Againe though they be interpreted of the Holy Ghost in the first Chapter yet in the Vision of the fift Chapter that exposition will be violent For there it is said that the Lambe had seuen hornes and seuen eyes which
those words consecrated to such a mysterie ibid. Marriage not acounted by vs a Sacrament ibid. towards the end and so to the end of the Chapter Of the Ring in Mariage p. 195 CHAP. XVIII Of Churching and Buriall p. 196 What purification is abrogated p. 196. how p. 197. Our Churching of Women no Iudaisme and of the Vaile then vsed p. 198. and of the Offering imposed p. 199. Of Tithes ibid. They are God's Stipends not Almes p. 200. They are not Iewishly Ceremoniall p. 201. They are due to Ministers and so proued ibid. Of competencie p. 204. Citie Tithes p. 205. The Apostles were not maintained by Almes ibid. Priests bury not but assist the Funerall p. 207. Of Prayers then vsed and of Sermons p. 208. The place of Burial p. 209. The second Booke CHAP. I. Of the Booke of Tobit p. 211 THe Apocryphall Bookes no Canon with vs for Doctrine p. 211. And yet vpon good grounds read in our Church p. 212. As namely for the explanation of the Canonicall Scriptures p. 215. Why they are called Apocryphall pag. 216. Of the Angell Raphael in the Booke of Tobit p. 220. Of the seuen Angels in the twelfth Chapter of Tobit p. 221. That number is neither Magicall nor Popish p. 223. The Office of Angels p. 224. Whether they pray for vs p. 225. Whether the Angels eate really p. 227. Of the Angels speaking p. 228. Of Asmodeus the euill spirit p. 230. Of the Nature of Angels both in their Affection ibid. any limitation in respect of the meanes and manner p. 232. Of Almes and how they purge sin p. 235 Of contract before Marriage p. 237 CHAP. II. Of Iudeth and the Song of the three Children p. 241 Of the word Titans and of borrowing words from Peets p. 241. The time of Iudeth's Storie p. 249. Of Bethulia p. 248. Iudeth's fasting whether superstitious p. 249. Her prayer whether impure p. 251. Her craftè whether wicked p. 254. Her course is warranted by the like of Iael in the Booke of Iudges p 257. Of the Song called Benedicite the vse thereof p. 259. The clearing of that Historicall Fragment from obiections p. 260 The Storie of Susanna vindicated p. 262. The Storie of Bel and the Dragon opened p. 264 CHAP. III. Of Wisdome Ecclesiasticus and Baruch p. 265 Of the Booke of Wisdome's Authour p. 265 The explanation of those words But rather being good I came into an vndefiled body p. 266. And of those when a Father mourneth grieuously for his Sonne c. p. 268. Of Tammuz ibid. Of the Argument of Ecclesiasticus p. 269. Of the Prologue p. 270. Of the Treatise p. 272. How Enoch is said to be taken away p. 273. Of Samuels death foreshewed ibid. Of Elias pag. 274. Of the time when Ierusalem was burnt in Baruch's account p. 276. What he meanes by those words Heare the dead Israelites p. 277. Of Ieremies Epistle p. 278. CHAP. IV. Of the Translation of the Psalmes p. 280 Of the Psalmes-Tiles p. 280. Of words detracted p. 283. The sense not corrupted in that 68. Psalme verse 27. p. 284. Nor in the 105. vers 28. p. 285. Of additions to the Psalmes in sentences p. 287. In words 288. Of the obscuritie in translation or euer your pots bee made hote c. p. 291 And of that humbly bringing pieces of siluer c. p. 292. And of that it shall not breake my head pag. 293. Of falshood in translation as in that thou shalt learne frowardnesse pag. 294. And in that Psalme 125. 3. shall not fall ibid. And in that Psalme 107. verse 40. though hee suffer them to bee euill intreated of Tyrants ibidem And in that Psalme 68. 6. Men of one minde p. 295. And in that Psalme 75. 3. when I receiue the Congregation ibid. And in that then stood vp Phinees and prayed pag. 296. And in that make mee to delight in good ibid. CHAP. V. Of the Lessons Epistles and Gospels p. 297. Of the omission of Chapters p. 297. The terme of Lesson p. 299. Of that translation Luke 1. 36. this is the sixt moneth that is called barren ibid. Of cutting the Bible into Epistles and Gospels p. 300. Of those words left out Col. 3. 12. Holy and beloued p. 101. Why we call Prophecies Epistles p. 302. The place Galat. 4. 5. cleared p. 303 How wee are the naturall sonnes of God ibid. How Paul calleth Timothy his naturall sonne ibid. God in a different degree loueth vs as his sonne Christ ibid. Iohn 1. 1. Cleared page 304. Of that Gal. 4 25. bordereth for answereth pag 305. Of that Ephes 3. 5. Father of all that is called Father ibid. Ephesians 5. 13. cleared p. 306. Heb. 9. 25. cleared ibid. Rom. 12. 11. cleared pag. 307. Luke 1. 48. cleared ibid. 1. Cor. 9. 27. cleared ibid. Phil. 2. 7. cleared p. 308. 1. Pet. 3. 20. cleared ibid. A Dialogue concerning the Liturgie OR The Booke of Common Prayer The Speakers NOVATVS A curious Corrector of things indifferent IRENaeVS A peaceable Conformer to the state of the present Church CHAP. I. Generall arguments against the Liturgie I. GOod morrow to you friend Nouatus how haue you fared this cold Christmas N. Brother Irenaus as my body is in health so my minde is ill apaid to heare your good morrow sauouring of Paganisme being drawne from Bonum mane vsed by the Romans and your Christmas of Poperie which ioyneth the Masse to Christ as an Asse to an Oxe or Dagon to Gods Arke I. The Latine word mane properly seemeth to signifie nothing but gracious or peaceable whence we translate Manes good spirits and immanis Cruell In which sense if we interprete Bonum mane it shall betoken nothing but grace or Peace be with you which kind of salutation soundeth more of heauenly Scriptures then of earthly heathens But if mane be taken for the morning as being the most gracious time of the day wherein the brayne is Cooled the stomacke strengthened the heart tempered and the spirits repaired How can this greeting of good morrow more displease then haile or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vsed by a Luke 1. 28. the Angell to the Virgine which as it seemeth to be deduced from b Ionice 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pro 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vt in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a season So before Luke vsed it the heathens did vsurpe it For Agylla chiefe Citie of Hetruria was called Coere as some thinke of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which was vsed by a Citizen in scorne to a Pelasgian besieger the same day the Citie was surprised N. To let your Latine and Poetry passe praier in common talke bewrayes little reverence Againe Iohn 10. we ought not to salute or pray with them whose religion is to vs vnknowne I. To let passe your hard Censures by which you cut out the tongues of tongues and plucke out the hearts of artes Is there not a prayer exprest in the common talk of
belonging to the liuing we come to the Buriall of the Dead wherein wee dislike the Person Manner and Place Touching the first we maruell that you make Buriall a Ministeriall Dutie seeing the Law prohibiteth the Priests to defile themselues by the e Leuit. 21. 1. Dead I. You were lately displeased because we vsed Purification being Iewish And now you would haue vs vse the Iewish manner of Buriall Wee like not this that with the same breath you blow both hot and f Reclusis illud hoc clausis Lahijs cold Againe tell I pray you what meane you by that defiled with the Dead N. It seemeth that g Leuit. 21. 3 4. lamentation is thereby meant I. Where is then your Argument The Priest may not lament for the Dead He may not therefore be present at Burials to comfort them that lament with his deuout exhortations and prayers N. We reade not that the Priests did burie any man and therefore to make this their office is against Scripture I. It is not against but besides Scripture were it as you pretend But the truth is we doe not appoint the Priest to burie that act being in a manner meerely ciuill but only to assist the Funerall for the comfort and instruction of the liuing N. The manner of your Burials doth also displease vs Forasmuch as you vse sundrie Prayers therein which seeme to fauour the Popish Purgatorie I. The Dumbe Shewes of Other Churches though wee condemne not yet wee cannot suppose that they containe so much reuerence and deuotion as our custome doth As for the Purgatorie you mention it is a forgerie of your owne Iealousie considering wee pray for nothing in the behalfe of the Dead saue only that wee seeme to be in good hope of their ioyfull resurrection of which matter wee treated in Baptisme N. Yea but Prayers being rehearsed at the Graue haue some smell of Superstition I. Were you as quicke-sented as the Vultures of Romulus yet could no such sauour bee here felt forasmuch as our Prayers being in the mother tongue are discerned by the meanest auditor to containe nothing but matter of consolation and hope to the liuing N. Funerall Sermons are of the same branne and therefore iustly abrogated in the Reformed Churches N. If those Sermons containe flatterie or errour wee may not defend them But if they be replenished with hopefull and consolatorie doctrines we doubt not to thinke them to bee of that nature of which was the famous lamentation of Dauid made for his King h 2. Sam. 1. 17. and his Friend Or of which were those worthy Orations i The Funerall Orations of Basill and Gregorie Funerall which deserue to bee written in Plates of gold celebrated in all antiquitie And certainly if a Word in Place k Prou. 25 11. and l Prou 15. 23. Time bee so precious If wee bee commanded to preach in m 2. Tim 4. 2. Season Can any Sermon be more seasonable then when God's iudgements concurre with his word when the sense of mortalitie doth kindle deuotion and griefe quickneth Charitie Thinke you that when the men of Iabesh fasted n 1. Sam. 31. 13 seuen dayes at the buriall of Saul and his sonnes and when Mary wept at the Tombe of her o Iohn 11. 31. brother a Sermon would haue beene vnseasonable Suppose you that in all those seuen dayes before mentioned prayers were not mingled with their fasting As for the Reformed Churches wee censure them not neither may they condemne vs Forasmuch as the Strangers amongst vs being men of their owne Countrie and Discipline doe still retaine Funerall Sermons N. Wee are most offended with your Place of Buriall which is the Church or Church-yard wherein you seeme to place great holinesse I. Wee doe in some Cities allow men to be buried in a field set apart for that purpose N. But euen that field is reputed holy ground I. And that most iustly For did not Abraham refuse to be buried among the p Gen. 23. 6. 9. Hittites Did he not there buy a field for buriall wherevpon the Place was called Hebron Did not Iacob desire to be buried with q Gen. 49. 30. Abraham Ruth with r Ruth 1. 17. Naomi The old man with the Å¿ 1. King 13. 31 man of Iuda Did not the Pharises purchase a field for t Math. 27. 7. strangers called Acheldama a field of u Acts 1. 19. Bloud Is it not probable that the brethren of Ioseph desired to bee buried with him in x Acts 7. 16. Shichem Did not the men in the Primitiue Church desire to be buried neere the Martyrs by whose Tombes afterwards in the Halcionian dayes of Peace Oratories and Churches were built for the honour of Martyrdome not for the worship of Martyrs Are not the bodies of Saints departed still members of Christ being vnited to their soules not onely by the relatiue hope of the resurrection but euen by the vnion of Christ's Spirit And by what more liuely signe can we testifie or signifie this our beliefe then by interring them in or neere some Church where they may be reserued better then in the y Where the Kings of Egypt were buried Pyramides of Egypt till the second comming of CHRIST Finis Libri Primi THE SECOND BOOKE Of the New Liturgie CHAP. I. Of the Booke of TOBIT FRom the Old wee passe to your New Liturgie wherein you haue both added the Apocryphall Bookes to the the Canon And haue in sundry sorts depraued the Canonicall Text it selfe I. The Apocryphal The Booke of the Articles of Religion Article 6. Bookes as Hierome saith the Church doth reade for example of life and instruction of manners But yet doth it not apply them to establish any Doctrine N. Against the reading of these Bookes I thus argue Whatsoeuer is read in the Church ought to be Canonicall Scripture But these Bookes are Apocryphall not of the Canon Wee may not therefore be vrged to reade them in the Church I. First your conclusion strayeth from your reason like a bird from her nest It should haue beene thus framed They may not therefore be read in the Church You pretend as if you were vrged and inforced to reade them the â—utâ— is if you did not delight in contention as the Viper that was pleased with the bloud of her owne tongue which shee grated against the file you might easily perceiue that the Booke leaueth it to your discretion whether you will read a Canonicall or an Apocryphall Chapter N. If we may not reade them then much lesse bee vrged to the reading of them So that my Conclusion was a Secondarie or Corollarie naturally following out of the proper conclusion of mine argument I. In the meane time you see that your oft complaints of vrging and hard vsage being both causelesse and respectlesse doe deserue to exasperate the State against you For many things â—o doubt had beene either altered or mitigated had
you not against the rule of Pythagoras digged in the fire with a sword But now to reuisite your argument First I might denie your Maior and render foure reasons for it First the Epistle written from a Coll. 4 16. Laodicea was read in the Church and yet it was out of the Canon vnlesse you thinke it was some Epistle of Saint Paul which is lost some thing therefore not Canonicall may be read in the Church N. I thinke no Canonicall Epistle could bee lost For it were to derogate too much from Gods prouidence and the faithfulnesse of the Church which should bee the Keepresse of the Volumes of the Couenant I rather suppose that it was some Epistle written from the Laodiceans to Paul to the demands whereof this Epistle to the Colossians did answere And therefore that it might more plainly be vnderstood it was meete that the other of the Laodiceans should bee read in the Church also For such a like thing is probably collected to haue beene done by the b 1. Cor. 7 1. Corinthians I. To sift the ground of your assertion were now vnseasonable But you haue giuen in a faire euidence against your owne Maior as shall hereafter appeare My second reason is this Nine Chapters of the Booke of Iob wherof foure were vttered by c Iob 4. 5. 15. 22. Eliphaz three by d Chap. 8. 18. 25. Bildad two by c Chap. 11. 20. Zophar are read in the Church But these Chapters are not of the Canon seeing no doctrine can be establisht by them forasmuch as Go himselfe disallowed the f Iob 42 7. saying of Iobs three friends wee may therefore in the Church reade some thing which is not of the Canon N. The generall positions of Iobs friends are true howsoeuer they erred in the application of them to Iob himselfe as if hee had beene an hypocrite I. That is but a shift for the maine maxime of all the Dispute is taken from Iob's wiues g Iob 2. 9. speech The summe whereof may thus bee demonstrated He that fals into great miseries is an hypocrite But Iob is so falne He is therefore an hypocrite So then let him not continue in defending his vprightnesse but blesse h Ios 7. 19. God in the acknowledgement of his hypocrisie and so let him die with repentance and patience By this it is plaine that the Maior Proposition was false and not the Assumption onely as you pretend N. I hope you will not exclude these nine Chapters out of the Canon considering they containe an historicall though not a positiue truth For it is true that these men so spake though they erred in their speech I. You haue made a faire distinction whereby you will cut off your owne arguments made against the Apocryphall Bookes as shall bee shewed in due place My third argumeÌ„t is this Sundrie Bookes of Traditions were read in the Church of the Iewes and yet were neuer of the Canon Or else how could the names of i 2. Tim. 3. 8. Iâ—â—nes Iambres the k Heb. 12. 21. foure of Moses the time of the famine in the dayes of l James 5. 17. Elias the combat of Michael with the m Iude 9. Deuill the prophesie of n Iude 14 15. Enoch haue bin rehearsed as things vulgarly knowne My fourth last reason is this Set Prayer may bee read in the Church and yet is no part of the Canon as was proued in the first o Lib. 1. Chap. 2. conference Besides this your Maior admits of a distinction which is this Whatsoeuer is read in the Church must either bee the Canon of faith or manners To this latter kinde we may referre the Apocryphall Bookes N. This is a rotten deuice They cannot bee the Canon of manners seeing that in the Doctrine of manners they may erre I. This answere shall bee sifted in your Minor But now wee tell you further that things may be read in the Church for the explanation of the Canonicall Scriptures For as you remember you said the Epistle of the Lacdiceans was read for the explanation of Saint Paul's Epistle to the Colossians N. But the Bookes Apocryphall doe rather obscure then explaine the Canon I. The Booke of Wisdome doth open the Storie of Exodus concerning the ten p See Wisdome 16. 17. plagues of Egypt Ecclesiasticus is a Commentarie to the Prouerbs The Sixt of Baruch is a most famous epitome of sundrie things in Moses the Psalmes and the Prophets against Idolatrie The first Booke of Maccabees is a key to the mysteries q Especially to the 8. 11. Chapters thereof of Daniel N. Because you cauill so much at my Maior I will change both it and my whole reason Whatsoeuer is read in the Church ought either to be Canonicall Scripture or agreeable thereunto But the Bookes betweene Malachie and Matthew are neither And therefore may not be read I. As the change of your Maior is to the better so is that of your Minor to the worse whereof wee desire the first part to bee explained the latter to be confirmed N. That these Bookes are not Canonicall it is plaine because they are Apocryphall I. Some Serpent lurketh vnder this grasse why call you them Apocryphall N. First because they containe sundrie errours I. How many errours thinke you there be in the Booke of the Petition to the Parliament defended by T. C N. Wee suppose no errour can bee found therein I. A Booke Apocryphall hath errours But this Booke hath none and therefore is not Apocryphall and is by consequent Canonicall N. It may be Ecclesiasticall and so neither Canonicall nor Apocryphall I. You see then that your reason is infirme These Bookes are not Canonicall because Apocryphall and therefore Apocryphall r Non causa pro causa because they containe errours N. Secondly then they are tearmed Apocryphall because they are capable of errours as being the writings of men I. This is to make them Apocryphall in possibilitie not in act Now euery possibilitie is reducible to some act Tell then what is the actuall cause why they are Apocryphall N. Can a priuation haue an actuall cause I. The cause may be actuall though rather deficient then efficient N. Thirdly then They are deemed Apocryphall because their Authour is not knowne I. No more is the Authour of Ioshua Iudges Ruth Samuel Kings no nor of the Epistle to the Hebrewes in your opinion N. Their Authour is knowne to bee Gods Spirit though we doubt of the Penman I. But how is that knowne N. The Propheticall Church receiued the Bookes as from God and hath deliuered them to vs by Succession Fourthly then these Bookes are Apocryphall because the Iewish Church neuer receiued them For neither were they written in any tongue which the Iewes vnderstood neither doe the Iewes at this day admit of them but as of Interludes I. You haue at the last stumbled vpon the true cause
can his seruants I. Can they not relinquish his seruice and become Reformed Christians N. They may but then they cease to be his seruants I. You meane then That wee may pray for them as Bishops but not as Popish Now we pray that God would illuminate all Bishops that is deliuer them from the darknesse of Poperie and all manner of errours Againe why beate you the bush in this manner I know you meane that our Lord Bishops are Popish and the seruants of Antichrist Neither can you be ignorant that for their sake principally this Prayer is intended N. If it be so I am the more sorrie except you meane to pray for their conuersion Howsoeuer it be I will not now enter into that combat But from your Intercession I make haste to your Deprecations which either concerne things spirituall or temporall Of the first kind is this Prayer From fornication and all other Deadly Sinnes wherein you seeme to make fornication no sinne I. Doe wee pray to be deliuered from it as from a Punishment or as from a Sinne N. You made the doubt your selfe Bee you the Oedipus sure I am you make it no sinne as may thus be proued All sinne is deadly as no Protestant will denie But fornication in your Letanie is no deadly sinne and consequently no sinne The Minor thus appeares You say Fornication and all other deadly sinnes whereby you distinguish Fornication from the other as not being of that kinde I. When Dauid saith Sheepe and Oxen yea and the beasts of the field doth hee exclude Sheepe and Oxen out of the number of the beasts of the field When Saint Paul saith As the Apostles and the brethren of the Lord and Cephas Doth hee denie the Lords brethren and Cephas to bee Apostles Doe not the Papists themselues acknowledge Fornication to be one of the Deadly sinnes And doe you vilifie vs in respect of them N. You vilifie your selues in making seauen deadly sinnes like Papists which some humorous men haue applied to the seuen Planets according to the dayes of the weeke As Pride to the glorious Sunne Enuy to the pale Moone Wrath to fierce Mars Couetousnesse to subtle Mercurie Gluttonie or Drunkennesse to prodigall Iupiter Lust to wanton Venus Sloth to dull Saturne I. I dispute not now whether these men did inuent this method partly for memorie partly to shew that lanets though they compell not mans minde yet they incline his affection vnlesse he breake and tame his naturall disposition Only this I demand Doe the Papists make no other deadly sinnes then these seuen Is not heresie with them capitall Doe they not make sixe sinnes against the Holy Ghost Presumption Despaire Finall Impenitencie Obstinate Malice Inuidence or Enuie against Gods grace in our brother resisting of the knowne truth N. Yea your selfe made Enuy not long agoe In a Sermon vpon Rom. 1. 29 a sinne against the Holy Ghost I. It was then declared that there is but one sinne against the Holy Ghost and therefore that those sixe things reckoned by the Schoolmen out of Saint Austine are rather parts then kindes of that sinne Also it was shewed that Enuy was of two kindes The first whereby one desireth anothers happinesse to be translated to himselfe Another whereby he is sorrie that any vertue remaineth in the Matth. 13. 28. world This latter is in him that is called the enuious man and may be a part of that dreadfull sinne against the Holy Spirit N. But you said in another Sermon that Witches sinne against the Holy Ghost I. I said it not of my selfe but recited it out of the Kings Maiesties Booke called the Demonologie The worthinesse whereof I thought to bee such though it had beene written by a man vnknowne or meerely priuate as might stop all Cauils But now what can you alleage against it Doe not some Witches plainly renounce God and that with a voluntarie and direct obstinacie Doe they not often blaspheme that God whom they haue known and acknowledged Can this iniquitie bee distinguished from the sinne against the Holy Ghost N. It was affirmed by them that reported it to vs that these were your assertions Witches sinne against the Holy Ghost Enuy is the sinne against the Holy Ghost I. Men of your profession should be diligent hearers and slow beleeuers For you know that Fame is like the vrine which till it bee chafed and tried is as deceitfull as an Harlot N. Well if the Papists and you make more deadly sinnes then seuen why are these seuen only reckoned I. Let the Papists themselues tender a reason of their owne popular diuision As for vs wee account all firme in it owne nature to bee mortall N. But you seeme to imply the vulgar Popish distribution of Sinnes into Mortall and Veniall I. Doe none diuide Sinne in this manner but Papists Doth not Bellarmine tell you Bellar. lib. 2. de peccato that Lutherans hold all the sinnes of the Elect to bee veniall of the reprobate to be mortall Dare you denie the Publique Doctrine of our Church that all sinnes except that against the Holy Ghost howsoeuer in their owne nature they be deadly yet are made through the merits of Christ veniall and pardonable N. From spirituall things I come to temporall Whereof both the number and matter are by vs disliked Touching the first The number of your prayers for Temporall benefits exceedeth them which are made for Spirituall graces whereas of the six Petitions in the Lords Prayer the fourth only is for Temporall things I. When wee pray in the sixt Petition Lead vs not into temptation against what temptations doe we pray N. Temptation is from God either immediately without meanes as that which is termed the Diuine temptation namely when the wrath of God doth immediatly seize vpon the Conscience Or else by meanes which are three First the Deuill who stirres vp the blasphemous temptation Secondly the flesh or part vnregenerate from which doe issue both the temptations of sinne affrighting the Conscience and of Fancie molested with Melancholy Thirdly the world by and in which are raised outward temporall afflictions I. I will not now dispute about your diuision Only you confesse that in this sixt Petition you pray against temporall affliction and so for a temporall blessing But now tell me I pray you when in the seuenth Petition wee say Deliuer vs from euill what euill is vnderstood N. These words not the seuenth but a part of the sixt Petition For the coniunction But knitting them to the former words doth make them but one sentence and one Petition I. By this your reason there wil be but foure Petitions Considering to these words Giue vs this day our daily bread the rest of the Prayer is annexed by three coniunctions Namely twice And and For. Againe Beza telleth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 you that the word But is oft times taken for And. N. To grant that these words may make the seuenth Petition yet by
N. That part of the Minor is to bee applyed to Orders and Matrimony I. Belike then you affirmed that ioyntly of all the Sacraments which should haue beene deuided among them N. We most insist vpon the last clause Namely that they haue no visible signe I. Neither is that built vpon a Rocke For haue not Confirmation and Orders the visible signe of imposition of hands Can you conceiue of Matrimonie without hand-fasting Or of Extreame Vnction without Visible Infusion of oyles Nay if Sensible bee Visible and Audible be Sensible Is not Confession in Penance directly Audible so Visible by your owne interpretation N. What then Doe you reuiue the Seauen Popish Sacraments I. Nothing lesse But onely I manifest vnto you with what leaden weapons you impugne the iron enemie namely the Papist Against whom while you deferre to fight our Church becomes like the Oake cleft with wedges made out of her owne bodie N. If this Argument be weake you condemne the Booke of Articles which propoundeth the Art 25. same reason I. You mistake the meaning of the Booke yea and the words also The words are thus Being such as are growne partly of the corrupt following of the Apostles Partly are states of life allowed in the Scriptures but yet haue not like nature of Sacraments with Baptisme and the Lord's Supper for that they haue not any visible Signe or Ceremonie ordained of God Here first you perceiue that the word Partly was twice left out of your argument wherevpon came your fallacie of Compounding and Diuiding And so it may bee the hauing of a visible signe taking Visible in his proper sence doth exclude Penance They being onely a state allowed in Scripture doth shut out Matrimony as the corrupt imitation of the Apostles doth Anoyling Some such like thing may bee thought of Confirmation and Orders But it is vncertaine N. Yea but they all fiue are denied to haue a visible signe I. Some coniecture that by Visible is meant that which is perceiued by many senses and this kind of Signe may bee proper to Baptisme and the Lords Supper But the plaine answere is That no Sacraments excepting those two haue a visible signe generally necessarie to saluation N. Without Orders there can be no Ministery without the Ministery no Visible Church without which there can bee no ordinary salution I. Orders are mediately necessarie for all but immediately for Ministers alone N. From the number of the Sacraments I come to their end Namely their necessity against which I thus argue Those things without which saluation may be obtained are not necessary to saluation But such are the Sacraments Ergo. I. I thus encounter your Maior Those things without which saluation may bee obtained are not necessary to saluation But without Miracles Saluation may be had And therefore Micracles euen those of Christ shall bee needlesse to saluation N. Miracles are no ordinary meanes to saluation but extraordinary I. So Sacraments are not extraordinary Which heresie denieth all outward Sacraments but direct and ordinary meanes for vnlesse you be a Swingfeldian you must acknowledge that neglect or contempt of Sacraments is a Barto life eternall And so both the doubtfulnesse of your Maior and falshood of your Minor doe at once appeace in their colours N. My second reason is this Things necessary to saluation doe conferre grace But Sacraments do not and so are not necessary I. Your Maior is not well poised For is therefore the Sabbath needlesse to saluation because it doth not conferre grace Againe your Minor wants the bridle of bondage and limiting distinction For though Sacraments doe not actiuely Physically and by infusion conferre grace yet none but publique enemies to all Sacraments will denie that they bring grace passiuely and by the assistance of the concurrent Spirit of God Euen as the Circles of Magicians and Spels of Witches are said to bee operatiue not of themselues being meere quantities but by the concurrent assistance of Satan with whom the bloudie couenant is stricken Now that Sacraments are necessary to Saluation it appeares by three things First because they are Gods Ordinances and so most needfull Secondly because they are markes of the Church visible out of whose bosome there is no ordinary saluation Thirdly because faith is begun in Baptisme and strengthned in the Lords Supper The necessitie whereof is greater then of water and fire nay then of friendship N. This shall bee tried in the particular Sacrament to which wee now descend It seemeth then that you make fiue Sacraments Baptisme Confirmation The Lords Supper Penance and Orders which last because it is not expressed in the Liturgie we will now omit I. You confest before that wee made only two Sacraments generally necessary why doe you then place Confirmation betweene Baptisme and the Lords Supper And where doe you finde our Sacrament of Penance N. The reason of these things shall afterwards be z In Confirmations and the Visitation of the sicke declared Now I come to Baptisme In the dignitie you giue to Baptisme we note two errours First you corruptly cite the words of Christ to Nicodemus Vnlesse a man be borne of water and of the Holy Ghost For by water you vnderstand the Baptisme of the Floud as you terme it Whereas indeed by water you should conceiue nothing but the purging efficacie of the holy Spirit I. Wee embrace the literall sense why doe you flie to a figure without important necessitie N. Yea necessitie doth vrge vs so to doe For else we should grant the necessitie of externall Baptisme to saluation I. You heard before that Sacraments were thus necessarie Why doe you now rowle the same stone N. Proue in particular now Baptisme to bee necessary to saluation I. First Circumcision was thus necessary For the soule vncircumcised was to be a Gen 17. 14. cut off from the people of God Yea God would haue slaine Moses because hee neglected the Circumcision of his b Exod. 4. 24. Sonne Nay the necke of the Asse-coult not c Exod. 13. 13. redeemed was to bee broken which redemption was proportionable to Circumcision as appeares by the d Exod. 22. 30. time thereof But Baptisme is answerable to e 1. Pet. 3. 21. Circumcision therefore equally necessarie Secondly Baptisme is tearmed the lauer f Titus 3. 5. of regeneration whereby the Church is g Ephes 5. 26. sanctified It is also called the Baptisme of repentance vnto remission h Marke 1. 4. Acts 19 4. of sinnes Yea Peter and Paul being demanded what men should doe to be saued The one in direct words both in practise did vrge i Acts 2. 37 38. 16. 30 33 34 Baptisme aswell as beliefe Yea Christ himselfe saith Hee that beleeueth and is baptized shall bee k Marke 16. 16. saued And Peter peremptorily auerreth that Baptisme l 1. Pet. 3. 21. doth saue N. First it seemes by these places That saluation is not ascribed to Baptisme
sentences and words The first sentence is in i Math 9 25. In the Gospell on the 24. Sunday after Trinitie Matthew where you adde these words And said Damosell arise I. Beza tels you that some copies did insert these words out of Saint k Luke 8. 54. Luke it may be also out of l Marke 5. 41. Saint Marke N. Two other sentences are added by you in Luke The first in the Storie of the m Luke 16. 21. In the Gospell on the first Sunday after Trinitie richman And no man gaue vnto him I. It may bee those words were taken out of the Parable of the Prodigall n Luke 15. 16. childe Or else in some Copies they were put in by Consequence of the Storie For it is more then probable that no man gaue any thing to that poore Eleazar or Lazarus whom God and not o So answeres Junius in his Paralells vpon Heb. 1◠21. man helped N. The next sentence added in p Luke 19. 42. In the Gospell on the tenth Sunday after Trinitie Luke is this Thou wouldest take heed I. Beza doth out of Budaeus tell you That this patheticall exclamation hath in it a defectiue breuitie which may fitly bee supplied or explained by this or the like sentence which libertie of supplying who so grants not to all translaters shall shew himselfe more stiffe in opinion then studious for edification N. The words by you inserted are partly in the Old partly in the New Testament And here we cannot but maruell that you call q As Isaiah 40 55. 63. Ier. 23. Ioel 2. Apoc. 14. and the like Prophecies Epistles I. This we doe for two causes First in regard of the matter of these Chapters which is Euangelicall and Hortatorie not vnlike that which is found in the Epistles Secondly in regard of the forme For these being among the Epistles receiue their common name So we say the Psalmes of Dauid though Dauid made not all of them so we reckon the words of r Prou. 30. 1. Agur and of ſ Prou. 31. 1. Bathsheba among the Prouerbs of Salomon So Saint Luke stileth his second Booke The Acts of the Apostles though other mens actions besides the Apostles be there historified N. The first word added by you in the Olde Testament is found in t Isaiah 63. 11. In the Epistle on the Munday before Easter Isaiah where you haue patched the text with this word Israel whereas the place is meant of God as is plaine by the context I. Not so plaine as you pretend The wordes are intricate in the u As may appeare by Iunius his confused translation of this place Hebrew neither will there bee any incongruitie in the sense if we say that Israel remembred the dayes of old and so God in mercie remembred his penitent people Israel Surely though I were of Domitians minde I should bee wearie of killing these little flies N. Secondly you adde in x Ier. 23. 5. in the Epistle on the 25. Sunday after Trinitie Ieremie these words with wisdome I. The Hebrew word signifieth elsewhere to prosper with y 1. Sam. 18. 14. 30. wisdome N. The place in the New Testament is in the Epistle of Paul to the z Gal. 4. 5. In the Epistle on Sunday after Christmas day Galatians where you adde his word naturall I. Why are not wee the naturall sonnes of God by faith N. Christ only is Gods Sonne by nature wee by adoption I. Saint Paul calleth Timothy his naturall sonne in the a 1. Tim. 1. 2. faith N. He meaneth that he loued him in manner as a naturall sonne I. So God though in an other degree loueth vs as he doth his Sonne Christ Can you tell what Corne is shaken by this winde N. In the qualitie there is obscuritie and falshood Obscuritie comes by transposing or misinterpretation of words Of the former the first instance is in b Math. 27. 9. In the Gospel on Sunday before Easter Matthew where you reade whom they bought of the Children of Israel whereas it should bee rendred whom they of the Children of Israel bought or rather valued I. If they valued they bought by consequence As for the obscurity it is in the Greeke aswell as in our English The like Phrase is found in the c Acts 21. 16. Acts for there is a d 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or the like word in both places vnderstood N. A second instance is in the Gospell of e Iohn 1. 1. In the Gospell on Christmas day as you call it Iohn where you read God was the word whereas the words should thus bee placed And the word was God as both the Greeke f 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Article sheweth which declareth the subiect as you terme it not the g Ramus doth terme these antecedens consequens predicate As also the sense and scope of the place doth conuince For it is as improper and indirect a speech to say God is the word or Christ as if one should say a liuing creature is a man or a Tree is an Oake I. Ramus did indeed exclude indirect predication out of his new inuented Logique as hee did also many other most wholsome things Namely the doctrine of Obiectum Modalis propositio Limitatio Distinctio Reductio Syllogismi Figurarum modi Besides he most negligently handled Relation Definition Demonstration h See more in Kekermans Booke called Praecognita Method Euerie Logician can tell you that indirect predication is vsuall For here it is vsed by Saint Iohn in the i 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 originall What doe you make words of Scripture like Complementall Pharisees striuing for places Besides if a man should examine you Cuius est haec praedicatio This word was God Could you answere It is not Generis de Specie Speciei de Indiuiduo Nor Differentiae de Specie Much lesse Proprij or Accidentis de Specie seu Subiecto N. We haue hissed the Predicables out of Logique I. You may depart out of the Schooles with them for company For without the Predicables Diuision Definition and Demonstration cannot be vnderstood N. Obscuritie by misinterpretation of words is found in that place of the Epistle to the k Gal. 4. 25. In the Epistle on the fourth Sunday in Lent Galatians where you translate bordereth for answereth I. Doe you meane that it answereth in neerenesse of situation N. Nothing lesse For there is a great distance betweene Mount Sinai and Ierusalem Wee meane it answereth in allegoricall proportion I. The same doe wee meane by bordering Namely not Locall but Relatiue or contrarie N. Other obscure places are in the Epistle to the Ephesians The l Ephes 3. 5. In the Epistle on the 16. Sunday after Trinitie first is where you reade which is father of all that is called father whereas the words should thus be turned Of whom is named euery family I.