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A27232 The Quakers challenge made to the Norfolk clergy, or, A relation of a conference between some clergy-men of the Church of England and some Quakers held (on the 8th of December 1698 in West-Dereham Church) in the county of Norfolk : together with those letters which passed between them in order thereunto : to which is added a certificate relateing to the challenge. Beckham, Edward, 1637 or 8-1714.; Meriton, Henry, d. 1707.; Topcliffe, Lancaster, 1646 or 7-1720. 1699 (1699) Wing B1654; ESTC R27616 19,882 30

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if we stick to our former measure without apparent Violation of it Now Sirs what are those hard measures I pray Why truly after we have Charged some of yours with Blasphemy in some Books Printed 10 20 30 some 40 Years ago that were never Corrected nor Censured by your Church in your Second days Meeting erected on purpose to Examine Books and Licence them but have been approved and commended to us and admired by almost all of you we demand that you would either justify or disown them publickly under your hands And now you ask us very pertinently whether we are willing to be Charged with all the Old and New Books and Pamphlets that our Brethren of the Clergy have written or Printed to stand or fall by them Such an Impertinency as this is would be almost Intolerable but that we are so commonly used to them by your Party Do but Scratch your Heads a little and consider seriously the force of such a consequence We are bound to justify or disown all the Books of our Brethren as to every little Error or Mistake because we call upon you only to justify or disown the Blasphemies of yours We doubt not but there have been some tolerable Errors in ours which are no great blot to an Author that acknowledges himself to be a Man viz. fallible but a mighty prejudice against the Infallible Club whether at Rome or Grace-Church-street that pretend they cannot Err And we are only obliged to a Charitable forbearance in such Cases when you will be obliged for every Error you find in yours by reason of such a pretence to disown them as Cheats But if any of our Authors have wrote or Printed Blasphemy we are sure such have not been approved or allowed of by our General Meeting our Convocation who have made bold to Censure them without asking the Authors leave or if there be any such that have escaped the Knowledge of the Convocation and therefore not Censured by them perhaps they have been condemned if not burnt by Parliaments and Universities or if they have escaped such a Censure bring out such Books of ours when you will and you shall see we will either justify or disown them without calling for the Authors to come and plead their Cause To the Second Question we Answer You shall have equal liberty with us produce our Books and your Charge against them Supposing it be of Blasphemy when you will after you have first answered ours and we will give you leave to reserve your particular instances to the very Time and Place of Meeting if you please For we are assured that Blasphemy is of so strong and rank a Scent that every Christian that hath not his Nose quite stopt that as St. Paul says can but exercise his Senses never so little about Good or Evil as soon as ever it 's opened or discover'd will presently nauseate and turn away from it And we are sorry that so many of you have got such a stuffing in your Heads as not to perceive it Nay you think them sweet Odours sure that you will not be satisfied till you be allowed Advocates to Plead for them as sound and wholsom and therefore to be continued in the best Room of the House the Church The third Question is Coincident with the First but we must answer it or you 'l say we dropt it for its Weight for there is no reason we should appear in the Porson of all those our Brethren so as to be Charged with every little Error out of their Books in their stead but this we will do bring forth their Books and Blasphemies as we havesaid before and we will either justify them or disown them without consulting the Authors of them And this is all that we desire of you either to justify or disown Yours and Their Blaspemies under Your Hands which we may expect from you by the same rule you lay before us do as you would be done by And why may we not expect this of you seeing you have abandoned you Authors in lesser matters as in their Orders about Ribbons Lace Slit-wast-Coats Prancing Steeds Costly Habits fine Clothes Stately Buildings in for bearing to Thee and Thou and Sir your Betters Seeing many of you have opposed their Orders in Paying Tithes Womens Meetings Swearing in Courts of Judicature of carrying no Guns in their Ships or using the Carnal Weapen Last of all We take Notice with much joy to see you so much fall off from the former rude and rugged behaviour of those Men whose Cause you espouse towards the Clergy It is not long since your Address to them was in that Tinkerly Language Gready Doggs Babylons Merchants Devil driven dungy Gods Witches Bloodhounds Sodomites Gimcracks Wheelbarrows Tatter demallions which you have now Exchanged for more familiar and kind Expressions to call us Friends tho your former Carriage hath been as Divinely Authorized as your present Blasphemies Your very Railings have been as you have pretended by Inspiration We hope since you have begun to draw from that Old filthy Spirit that dwelt in your Ancestors you will at last totally abandon them seeing you have abandoned them in lesser Matters and why not in their Blasphemies Friends Pray trouble us no more with your Letters for our Measures are fix't and you may Chuse whether you will meet us upon the Terms resolved upon or no. No more from those who are resolved to continue your real Friends whether you will or no. Hen. Meriton John Meriton Lau. Parke Here followeth the Copy of the Quakers last Letter dated November the 23d 1698. To which the Ministers made no Answer Friends YOURS of the 16th Instant We have receiv'd the tenor of it declares Your purpose still to evade our just demand as is set forth in our 2d and 3d Letters to you we shall now give you a brief Reply because we perceive our Letters are troublesome to you First if you were as real as you pretend Frindship towards us the Moderation of Friendship questionless would prevent your being astonished at our denial of the Term Challenge in our Letter to you For then it had been our place to have Charged you so we should have made our selves Plaintiffs and you had been Defendants We doubt not but upon more mature thoughts your astonishment will vanish away 2dly We still insist upon our former demands as just and reasonable for how can you or any Man whatsoever think that we or any others for us can make Answers to Matters thus hiddenly Charged upon us whilst you refuse us the knowledge of them as you say they stand in our Books Pray be plain with us and if there be such Rank Blasphemy as you say bring it forth do not be shy Give us Author Title Book and Page and if you please tell us in the first place what is Blasphemy 2dly Wherein do you Charge us with Blasphemy against God and against Jesus Christ and against the Holy Scriptures What are the