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A10008 Ane oration made by Master Theodore de Beze, minister of the word of God, accompanyed with. xi. other ministers and. xx. deputies of the refourmed churches of the realme of Fraunce, in the presence of the king, ... Tuesday the ix. day of September, 1561, in the noonnery of Poyssy. Truely gathered and set forth in suct sort as it was spoken by the said de Beze. Whereunto is added a brief declaration exhibited by the said Beze, to the Quene the mother, the next morowe after the making of the said oration, touching certain poyntes conteyned in the same; Harangue faicte par M. Théodore de Bèze. English. Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605. 1561 (1561) STC 2026; ESTC S119256 20,389 80

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for the maintenaunce of their opinions alleaged the autoritie of the Councell of Arimine Lette vs grounde our selfe saith he neyther I vpon the Councel of Nice whiche neuerthelesse is the moste auncient approued Councell neither you vpon the Councel of Arimine but lette vs cleaue and stand fast to the holy Scriptures Saint Chrisostome was of the same opinion who in his seconde expositiō vpon Saint Matthew in his xlix Homely sayth The Churche stayeth it selfe vpon the foundacion of the Prophetes and the Apostles And to conclude in this matter we do receiue and take the holie Scriptures for an entier and a perfect declaration of all thinges necessary for oure saluation And touching suche matter as may be found in Councels or the bookes of any auncient doctours we can not nor ought not to let you but that you maye alleage them to your ayde and we also so as it be grounded vpon the expresse tistimonie of the holy Scripture But for the loue of God bring not to vs their bare authoritis vnlesse the same be throughly examined vpon the touch stone before mencioned For we saye with Saint Augustine in his seconde booke of Christian doctrine in the vi Chapter If there fall any difficultie in the interpretation of anye one passage the holye Goste hath so tempered the holy Scripture as that whiche is in one place obscuredly spokē is in an other place spoken more clerely And thus much for this pointe which I haue drawen some what the more at length to the intente that all men may vnderstand that we be not enemies to councelles neither to the holy fathers by the whiche it hath pleased God to teache and instruct his Church There are yet two matters behynde to witte the matter of the Sacramentes and the discipline and pollicie of the Church Touching the firste trueth it is that it were requisite it were treated of at good length because of the difficulties that be this day thereof in the state of Christendome But because I haue not at this tyme taken vpon me to dispute but rather to sette foorth shortely the principall poyntes of oure conference I will contente my selfe to declare summarelie what we do thynke and holde therein We be as I take it concerning this word Sacrament of one accord to witte that Sacraments be signes visible by meanes whereof the coniunction and vnitie whiche we haue with oure Lord Iesus Christ is not to vs simplie signified or figured but is to vs verelye and truely offered on the behalfe of the Lord and consequently ratified sealed and as it were grauen by the vertue of the holie Gost in suche as by true faith do apprehend and take hold of that whiche is to them so signified and presented I vse this worde signified my Lordes not meaninge thereby to weake or to diminishe the dignitie of the Sacramentes but to note a difference betwene the signe and the thinge that signifieth it in all vertue and efficacie We do also agree that to the Sacramentes there is necessarilie required a celestiall and supernaturall mutation For we do not say that the water of the holy Baptisme is simplie water but that it is a true Sacrament of oure regeneration and of the washing of oure soules by the blood of Iesus Christe In like sort we do not say that in the holy Supper of the Lord the brrad is simplie bread but that it is the Sacrament of the precious body of oure Lord Iesus Christ which was deliuered for vs. Neither that wine is only and simplie wine but that it is the Sacrament of the precious blood which was shed for vs. But here with we do not say that this mutation is made in the substaunce of the signes but in the vse and end for the which they be ordeined Neither do we saye that they bee made by vertue of certaine wordes pronounced neither by the entent of him that pronounceth the same but by the onely power and will of him that ordeined this heauenly and godly action whose ordinaunce in this behalfe ought to bee rehearsed with a loude voyce and in suche language as the assistauntes do vnderstand to whom it ought also to bee plainely expounded to the intent they may vnderstande it and receiue it accordingly And thus muche concerninge the outwarde signes Let vs nowe come to that that is testified and exhibited of the Lord by these signes We do not say as some for lacke of good vnderstanding of vs do iudge that we do teache that is to say that in the holie Supper of the Lord there is nothing but a simple and naked remembraunce of the death of Iesus Christ Neither do we say that by the sayde holye Supper we be made partakers onely of the fruite of his death and passion but we do ioyne the grounde with the fruites that come of it saying with Saint Paule in his first Epistle to the Corinthians the tenth Chapiter That the bread whiche we breake in suche sort as he hath ordeined is the communication of the very body of Iesus Christ that was deliuered for vs. And the Cuppe whereof we drinke is the Communication of the verye blood that was shedde for vs yea in the same substaunce that he toke in the womb of the virgin Marie and that he caried from vs into heauen And I pray you my Lordes in the Name of God what canne you seeke or finde in this holye Sacrament but we do seeke and sinde the same also I do vnderstand what you wil say straight Some of you wil require vs to confesse that the bread and wine be transfourmed I saye not into the Sacramentes of the bodie and blood of our Lord Iesus Christ for that haue we confessed all readie but into the very naturall body the proper and naturall blood of Christ Others peraduenture will not presse vs so narowly but will require vs to agree that the bodie and blood be reallye and corporally other within or with or vnder the bread In whiche point my Lordes I beseche you for the honour of God to geue eare to vs paciently without takinge anye offence of oure sayinges and for a tyme to put away all the yll opinion that you haue conceiued of vs. When either the one or the other of these two opinions shal be by the holy Scripture proued to vs we yelde oure selues readie to embrace it and to stande to it to the death But for the small measure of knowledge that it hath pleased God to impart vnto vs it semeth that this transubstantiation agreeth not in any similitud and conuenien●ie of our faith farasmuche as it is directly contrary to the true nature of the Sacramentes In the whiche it is necessary that the substanciall Sygnes contymie being true Signes of the substaunce of the body and blood of Iesus Christe And besides this it ouerthroweth the veritie of mans nature in Christe ▪ and of his ascention The same do I saye of the seconde opinion that is of the consubstanciation