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A65022 A vindication of Mr. VVeld wherein, the case between him and his opposers, is truely stated, and the church-way of Christ soberly asserted. In answer to the aspersions most unworthily cast upon him by Mr. James Cole, Tho: Potts, Tho: Arrowsmith, George Johnson, and Ralph Clavering, (an ill recompence of all his faithfull endeavours for their eternall good) and themselves manifested to the world what spirits they are of. By a friend to truth, and an enemy to lyes. By a friend to truth, and an enemy to lyes. 1658 (1658) Wing V484; ESTC R219234 19,875 30

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And doe ye who are so far from the shew of godlinesse disdaine to be called loose Stones I tell you It● a title too good a terme too high for such as are but mi●● and ●lay yea rotten bones and Straw fit for the D●ugh●ll Isay 10. 6. Isay 25. 10. Ezek. ●7 1. 2. As for that scornfull reproach they cast upon Mr. Weld as counting himselfe a Corner Stone it were horrid presumption for him or any man so to doe that terme being proper to Christ himselfe Psal 118. 22. 1 Cor. 3. 11. John 3. 10 and far from the spirit of Mr. Weld I le onely say of them as it s spoken of a man of th●ir own cut That he prated against the Apostles with malitiou● words so doe they against his faithfull Ministers But as S●l●mon saith Pro. 10. 10. A pra●ing fo●le shall f●ll Tenthly But they with much patie●ce and moderation besought Mr. Weld c. pag. 20. Ans If shewing their teeth if spitting fire if reviling and if turning back upon him when he was answering of them and con●incing of them I● these things speak patience and modera●●on then have they bin ●ull of thes● graces B●t oh that th●y kn●w what patience and moderation mean 〈…〉 leave thus to commend themselves when no g●o● 〈…〉 kno●s them wil● can or da●e doe i● El●venthly See how fit for the Sacraments these men are fo● be●ides all their injurious ungratefull and malitious de●ling agai●st Mr. Weld and the many gro●●e lyes and slanders that run all along through the veines of t●i● poo● Book and be●ides the scandals in their lives all which or any of which were enough to bar them from the Sacrament I say b●●ide● all these doe but take notice of their p●ofound ignorance sh●wen in this Pamph●et the naming whereof is conviction en●ugh viz. As first That the Sacrament should be A●ministred to all without di●tinction pag. ●0 Second●y Th●t all in generall for it s taken by them pro ●●●●esso ●re qu●lified for the Sacrament pag. ●1 Thirdly Th●t every Minister ass●ming a Pastorall Charge ought to administer the Sacrament to all by the Lawes of God a●d m●n Fourthly That there is abo●e 1000 godly people in Gateshead ●or ●uc● as hun●er and thi●st after ri●hteousnesse are g●atious ●a● 5. 6. Mat. 5. 3. Psal 63. 2. Isay 63 2. and th●s ●hey ●ffi●me of a●ove a thousand soules in this Parish Fif●h●y Th●● the Sacraments are the most transcendently effe●tu●●l instrum●●ts for redeeming us from all iniquity and sin p. 17. oh the grosse ignorance and Popery for this is onely applycable to the blood of Christ and never attributed to the Sacraments Ephes 1. 7. John 1. 17. Titus 2. 14. Now if these men be not onely profane but so grosse headed that they cannot discerne these common truths which are obvious to every eye that is open how are they able to discerne the Lords Body which is more spirituall for want of which they eate their own damnation yet they cry out for it and Mr. Weld must be hated reviled and reproached because he will not give it That which follows is a second Answer to the Booke by another Hand HAving Read a Pamphlet lately put forth in the name of the Parish of Gateshead signed by the foure Church-wardens and Ralph Clavering who by the Pen of some Episcopall Spirit have in a vain vaunting stile heaped up very many calumnies and judging them so many Arguments for promiseuous Parochyall Administrations against the Congregationall Church-way I was provoked in my spirit both for the just Vindication of the holy wayes of Christ and for the clearing of the name of that much wronged though very usefull servant of the Lord Jesus Mr. Weld to discover the sinfull pleas of that vain painted Pamphlet I shall onely apply my selfe to that part of the Book which consists of twelve Sections and fourteen Quaeries considering that the other part being matter of fact is faithfully and fully answered before In the enterance into the Sections you have this Title Diotrephes or Altare contra Altare It s well known to any that have Read Smectymnum against Bishop Hall or any other Presbyterian Writers about that place of the 3 of Iohn 8. 9. that Diotrephes was not blamed for giving the Brethren their liberty in Church-votes purchased by the death of Christ nor denying those that were no Church-●embers the peculiar rites of Ch●rches but for usurping preheminence above his Brethen not that I conceive the Presbyterians grant th● Brethren a Vote but to cleare the ignorant app●ication of that Title to Mr. Weld by them that pretend pag. 8. to know the judgement of all L●arned Divines And for Altare contra Altare would they have their old Episcopall Altar up again the book smels ranke of that designe but let them know That as the gathering of the Saints into a body is no setting up an Altar but building an hous● for Christ so their Altar was long agoe destroyed at the pulling downe of Episcopacy they knew who made it a place of lim● and rubbish since In the first Section you have them asserting three things First Their being loth to perish tamely Secondly How Master Weld hath raysed their spleene Thirdly What great attainments they have reach● in the mysteries of the Gospel and Divine Grace and that upon account of their Baptisme To the two first I might justly Answer by way of Exclamation Why will you dye and why will you dye in a rage must you needs dye of the spleene Friends when you come to dye c●ll to mind that it is not the want of Sacraments will be your ruine for you would but have eate and dranke your own damnation if you had them in the frame you are in your ignorance of Christ and opposition to him will be your ruine if the Lord doe not change your hearts For the third Y●u● gle●●i●g in y●ur attainments First you say you are Proselytes of justice Doe you know what you say or whe●eof you affirme Reade the description of Proselytes of justice in Scripture and then judge what you have said they were such as Cornelius and the E●●uch they were devou● men Acts 2. 5. ch 10. 2. 7. ●en fearing God Acts 13. 16. religious men Acts 13. 43. Now Reader if thou knowest the●e men judge whether they be such Proselytes As for the seven Precepts of Noah given to the Proselytes of the ga●e I wish they either understood them or practised them but pretenders will be high flowne But they speake of warmth and gleames of grace that they have had take heed of lying to the holy Ghost what means so much power of the stony heart and profane life if there have been such meltings of Divine Grace please not your selves with words grace is a transforming thing 2. The second Section cryes up the old Laws of England for promiscuous Administrations as if the house of Christ in Church work in times of reformation must be squa●ed and govern'd by old
even hundred pound These men named being Jurior● for Gates●ead resolving to give up his Living at 150 l. that so they might dep●ive Mr Weld of 50 l. p●r annum of it though they knew they should thereby deprive all their succeeding Ministers of so much which Mr. Weld hearing of did demonstrate by shewing them all his Leases for b●th Re●●ory and Hespi●all that the yearely revenue ac●●uing from both wa● sh●r●●f 100 l. per annum and what ever he received more was upon another account yet they he●d their purposes and that they might act their parts with more confidence Mr. James C●le sent Mr. Weld a bravado id est that he would give him 150 l. yearely for his Living To which Mr. Weld sent this answer in Writing Sir I received your liberall proffer of 150 l. per annum for my Living But that I may appeare more kind to you then you are to your selfe I make you this proffer and that under my ha●d that if I go● backe you may shew it against me viz. You shall have all my Annuall profits whatsoever for 100 l. per annum and if you and I come ●o conferre about it I le fall yet lower make tryall of it when you please Your loving Friend Thomas Weld To this he received no answer But after all he and the rest went to Durham and gave it in upon their Oathes That his Living was worth 150 l. and so they told the Commissioners they effered him for it All this is upon Record 11 ●y Then still to gratisie Mr. Weld and make his House the more comfortable to him after all his cost layd out upon the same besides what was given by the Commissioners and the ●arish of Gatesh●ad towards it to the value of 100 l. which 〈◊〉 is for the good of all their succeeding Ministers as well as for himselfe I say to make his dwelling the more sweet and comfortable as a recompence for all his cost for the good of Posterity they the 24 and the rest of the Subscribers to the Book suffer a filthy dunghill even growing to a great mountain where all their dung garbage and very carryon is layd under his nose and to his very dore to stink him if it may be out of his habitation and after many requests made by him they still let it lye 12ly Last of all to mention no more though it might be endlesse almost to set down all their injuri●us dealings These very Church wardens he subscribers of this wretched Book this last harvest that no injury might be left unat●empte● sent to the Par●shioners and Mr. Welds Tenants t● pay him no Tythe nor Rent And when some of the Tenants told them they are tyed by ●ond to pay their Rent● They ●ade answe● Th●y would ●eare them harmelesse A●l these affronte losses and da●mages hath Mr. Weld patiently indu●ed for the Gospel sa●e fearing to harden their hearts though he knows well how easily he could have right●● himselfe ●e having been often heard to say That he ●op●d to win th●m by love at last But after all to the great griefe of his soule he finds their ●earts more and more hardened even to this day against the Lord and him and that they may declare this to the world to their own shame they set forth this miserable Pamphlet thinking to disgrace him and all the Churches of Christ that walk in the Congregationall wayes but the dishonour shall wo●ul●y 〈◊〉 upon their own heads and God herein is just to suffer themselves to vomit out their own shame Yet such hath been Mr. Welds love to this place and the good people therein after all his sufferings from some That when he was profered lately by his Highnesse his choyce of two as eminent places as most are in all England he refused all to come again to this place Now let the Reader judge where the blame lyes Yet again that there be no mistake let all know these ill dealings are not to be imputed to all in Gateshead for Mr. Weld counts deare to his soule many in this place as he hath been often heard to say not onely those of his own Church whom these scorners say that Mr. Weld calls onely the godly party but many others that feare the Lord many of whom God hath pleased to blesse his labours unto If shame and dishonour reflect upon the heads of these men let them thank themselves for better is it that 100. such as they are should justly suffer for their deserts then one such as Mr. Weld should suffer unjustly by their malitious mouthes and pens Now to touch upon some other things in this Learned pee●e First Who but fantasticall men would cu●ger up such bum●asted words as Precentor docked oecunomie Aversations dispotically impellency con●esseration embrocation ca●sticks intimidate fixation Now whether the absurdity of the Penner of the Book or the pearking pride of the pretended Authors are more discovered by such Language I much question for sure these men not being guilty of Learning nor scarce able to Write true English these high-flowne words as all men know could never be the brats of their own braines but they must tell the world that they would faine be counted Eloquent though to attaine this Honour they shew themselves Fooles in Print Secondly Who but prophane and ignorant men would dare throw such contempt upon the Churches of Christ as to call them New wayes of gathering Churches Mr. Welds new Church a seminary of Schisme Contention Division Separation Mr. Welds new garbe Pragmaticall Modell like those dreamers in Jude who speak evill of things they know not But we leave them to give account to the Lord for such hard speeches as these ungodly men have spoken against him Jude ver 8. 10. 10. Thirdly But Mr. Weld deni●s them a Lecturer to Preach and Adm●nister the Sacraments Ans How could that be when they never presented any man to him that would accept the work Indeed they said they would procure eit●er Mr Prideaux Mr. Cole or Master Knight bridge but instead of presenting any of these men they present a Paper to Mr. Wel● to sub●cribe as pag. 3. 4. such a miserable and ab●urd Paper let the Reader per●●e and iudge that ●● Mr. We●d ●old all them unlesse he had lost both his wi●● and c●nscience he durst n●●er yeeld to it For whereas Mr. W●ld hath undertaken the charge of Preaching the Gospel he must if he had subscribed the Paper admit any whom the people should chuse And such an one being c●osen must be est●●lished whe● e●er they d●sire it and when once setled let him Preach false Doctrine be scandal●u● contentious c. Mr. Weld must continue him in that pl●●e and must have no power at all to hinder him by himself● or any other● without all the peoples unanimous consent and this m●●t be Mr. Welds resolu●ion and avowed consent to r●tifi● and c●●firme whatsoever the said p●●ple shall thi●k fi● such an insnaring and