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A20391	A dialogue, concerning the strife of our churche wherein are aunswered diuers of those vniust accusations, wherewith the godly preachers and professors of the Gospell, are falsly charged; with a briefe declaration of some such monstrous abuses, as our byshops haue not bene ashamed to foster.		1584 (1584)	STC 6801; ESTC S109629	51,954	154

other men may iudge but in my iudgement it is a very prophane and a very wicked saying Is there any God but one any faith but one any Church but one Is not the whole Churche in all places in the worlde Gods familie Hath he not giuen one booke of the holy sacred scriptures to teache and gouerne the same euery part therof Were not those mē principall Instruments of the Lord to expounde and open the mysteries of God vnto his church did they not teach declare the counsels of God onely out of his word Is our church then the Church of Christe and hath their doctrine nothing to do with it Philodoxos I know right well that their doctrine which they teach out of Gods word which is the doctrine of faith doth belong indifferently to the whole Church Because as you say there is but one Church and one faith But in some externall matters one Church may differ from an other And in that respect euery Church is not tied to the outwarde forme of the Church at Geneua in euery particular There be circumstaunces of persons times and places which maye make some variaunce Orthodoxos One Church maye differ from an other in some externall matter let that be graunted as I know not who doth deny it Is that a sufficient cause for men to saye what hath maister Caluine or maister Beza or others to doe with our Church Haue not the excellent seruaunts of God taught that point also by the Scriptures which you speak off that churches may vary in some externall matters How then can it be saide that our Church hath nothing to doe with their doctrine I doe not speake as though we were to depende vppon men further then they prooue their doctrine by the holy Scriptures But when God hath raised vp speciall instrumentes and made them lightes to his people it muste needes proceede from a vile minde to saye what haue they to doe with our Church Such mens fingers are to be looked vnto as those which are not to bee put in truste with the Spouse of Christ For this is out of all doubt that as those other are manifested vnto the worlde to be rare and speciall seruauntes of God for the seruice of his sonne and saluatiō of his people so these by demanding so disdainfully what they haue to do with our Church giue manifest cause of suspicion that they be none of Gods houshold For either they must prooue that those excellent men did not deale faithfully in Gods matters which they shall neuer be able to doe or else confesse themselues to be vntrusty Who is so foolish but that he can sée whē such as with the mighty power of Gods spirit haue spread the light of the Gospell and thrown downe the Kingdome of Antichrist are reiected or little set by that there is no faithful mind especially when it is by those which them selues doe hurt and no good to the furtheraunce of mens saluation Philochrematos Gentleman by your patience maye it please you to let me aunswere not that I thinke you vnable to confute such friuolous speech but because I am pricked and can holde no longer I woulde faine knowe who they are whome you meane which do hurt no good in our Church If you meane the cheefe of the cleargy God be thanked your slanderous tongue is not able to discredite them they are well knowne to be graue wise learned and Godly and therefore of all others do the most good and the least hurt in the Church If yee meane the Puritans or Precisians all wise men wil agrée with you for in déede it can not be shewed that they do any good but I am able to prooue that they doe much hurt for they be Scismatikes and make diuision in the Church a thing much to be abhorred of al godly mindes they are the cause that there be so many Papistes for what maketh them to be offended and to refuse to come to the Churche but this that we do not agrée among our selues but these are not those whom you meane Orthodoxos I sée you take it in great snuffe that I saide there are which doe hurte and no good in the Church You woulde knowe whome I meane But it must needes bee meant as you take it eyther of the cheefe of the Cleargie or else of those whome you tearme Puritans and Precisians For the first yee say they bee well knowne to bee graue wise learned and Godly I suppose by the chiefe of the Cleargie you meane Bishops Deanes and Archdeacons and Bishops Chaplaynes And so you come in the number your selfe beeing a Bishops Chaplaine I doe suppose that the greatest part of these are graue and learned and it were a verye lamentable thing that none of them should be Godly I doe verilye suppose that among these there be some which are not so drowned with couetousnesse and ambition but that they haue their speciall care for the aduauncement of Gods Gospell and the saluation of mens soules But will yee therefore cléere and iustifie all But as for the Puritanes and Precisians yee say they do no good and you can prooue they doe much hurt You doe also shew wherein they be Scismatikes and make diuision in the Church They giue offence to the Papistes No doubte these bee abominable vices and those that be giltie of them the woe and cursse of God doth hange ouer their heades But your bare affirmation maye not carrye away the matter you muste prooue those men to bee such whome you call Puritans Philochrematos It is a sore matter which yee put me vnto I praye yee what neede is there of anye further proofe when the thing is euident to all the worlde Who doth not see that there is a Scisme in our Church both among ministers and people Who doth not see who are the cause of it When a Church is established and there doth arise contention therein are those the Scismatikes which defende the state and would haue it quiet or those which rayse vp vnquietnesse Do the chiefe Prelates make the Scisme in our Church or the Puritanes It is well knowne that they labour to haue it in peace but these other are the cause of vnquietnesse Orthodoxos You make verye light of the matter as a thing so euident that there needeth no proofe And to make the euidencie appeare yée take this for your grounde that where a Church is established those which defend the state thereof to hold it in quiet canne not bee Scismatikes On the contrarye parte those which make any vnquietnesse to the state thereof can not but be Scismatikes If yee will haue no further consideration but so then surely maister Luther maister Caluine and others are iustly charged by the Papistes to be Scismatikes For there was a state established the Pope his Prelates were desirous to hold it in quiet The other part yee knowe did disquiet it Yet neuerthelesse euerie one which hath anie true

as do Princes verie great hurt doe accuse those to be euill subiectes which of all other are the most faithfull Did not Abner and other of King Saules Councellers take them selues to be his best subiects and yet who led him from God vnto his destruction but they by stirring him vp to persecute Dauid Did they not accuse Dauid to be a traitour yet who was so faithful and true harted vnto his Lord as he Wise men must not be carried away with a blast of wordes nor with some colour of matter which vngodly men neuer want against the good Philocrhematos I perceiue it is but in vaine to spende the time in talking with such as you which are obstinately wilfullie bent You will be singuler Orthodoxos Obstinacie and wilfulnes can not be but in an vngodly and naughtie matter For a man can not be too stedfast in the truth Let the cause be good and the more stiffe and constant the minde is so much the better If I haue vttered or defend anie falshood let me be conuicted and I will yeeld If I be not conuicted what reason is there that I shoulde be charged with wilfulnes or obstinacie If Iesus Christ and his Apostles be of my side what wickednes is it to say I would be singuler Philodox It were well if yee would all agree teach vs that be of the laiety by your good example for that ought to be in yee And how shal it be expected at our hands to liue in vnitie to do well when those are at discord and variaunce which should instruct and guid vs Can yee exhort vs vnto concorde and your selues at variance Orthodox You speak of that which was neuer seene in this world nor neuer shall For so long as God hath faithfull messengers so long will also the Deuill haue his vngodly instrumentes These can neuer agree the one part seruing god the other liuing viciously And I pray yee how or wherin wold yee haue them to agree Which part shall condescend vnto the other Which part shal yeeld Shall those that holde the truth giue ouer That is abhominable to bee spoken and shall neuer be Will those that are vngodlie yeelde submit them selues vnto the truth No their stomach will not let them though they be conuict in conscience Moreouer this is to be noted that such a man as is not sanctified but delighteth in worldly lustes cannot abide the puritie of the word which doth condemne him Herein the world is iniurious that they crie out for vnitie vnitie blaming alwaies that part which holdeth the truth because they woulde haue them yeelde vnto their affections seeing they cannot abide to forsake their vild lustes Againe a number of yee beeing ouercome of your carnall lustes are glad to make this pretence and excuse We cannot tell what to do The Preachers cannot agree they be all naught what shold we giue heede to follow any thing which they teach these be hellish and brutish speeches Yee must seeke out which hold the truth which call yee vnto true godlines and amendement of life and with them yee must be at vnity The true Preachers are not to exhort men to be at such an vnitie as you imagine But they must teach them to flie the fellowship of the wicked I woulde to God men woulde consider this and tourne vnto him and not like Giants fight against him Philodoxos I do not thinke that anie do fight against God You shoulde not vtter anie such speeche vnlesse yee did know it to be true a man can not fight against God vnlesse hee hate God and I dare not iudge so euill of anie man Orthodoxos You think none fight against God because whomsoeuer a mā fighteth against him he hateth and you dare not iudge so euil of anie man to be so fowlie giuen ouer as to hate God It is grose ignorance in ye which seemeth to be excellent modestie For if you had eies that could discern you should see how horriblie some men doe hate the Lorde God and desperatlie fight against him Moste true it is the wicked men are so blinded by a iust iudgment of God vpon them that they think they loue God or at least that they do not hate him But we maie not iudge according to the sence of flesh bloud but according to the sacred truth of holie scripture by which I wil make the matter plaine vnto yee The blessed Apostle Rom. 8. doth affirme that such as walke after the flesh shall dye He rendreth a reason which is that the wisdom of the flesh is enimity against God And whie is it enimitie against God or whie doth the holy ghost charge it to leaue hatred against him because saith the Apostle It is not subiect to the law of God neither in deede can bee Marke this well for it is euen as a thūderbolt wherby al the wicked are striken down they bear themselues in hand that they loue God they make open brags and vaunts that they be his friendes but you maie learn heere frō the mouth of the Lorde him selfe that whosoeuer are not Subiect to the obedience of his law they bee his enimies and doe hate him Then doth it follow that whosoeuer do fight against his word or anie parte thereof they are his enimies they doe hate him fight against him Then let vs come to the matter Is there anie reasonable man but will confesse that Gods worde doth commaund learned godlie ministers to teach and guid his people Doth not the scripture laie woes and curses vpō those that be contrarie Is it not his holie ordinance that euerie shepheard shall attend vpon the flock of which he hath taken the charge and ouersight Do not those then monstrouslie fight against God and hate him which in sermons in their bookes published abroad do with reasons drawne from the wisedome of the flesh defend non residentes double beneficed men the vnlearned ministery with sundrie abominations The dreadfull vengeance of God doth hang ouer the heads of such men vnlesse they repent in time They doe against their Conscience for they can not but know such things as be euill The loue of the world doth carrie thē vnto it God hath also commaunded that his messengers shall be well intertained that his Church maie be built Do they not then directly fight against him which deface molest them depriuing multitudes of people of the foode of theire soules This is yet a more shamelesse matter that euen such as be old turncoats it is to be feared readie to saie Masse again are great instrumentes Such beeing known athiests are not ashamed to step into the Pulpit to charge the Godlie faithfull messengers of the Lorde to be Atheists rebells traitors I know not what If the cause bee good let not such guiltie persons defend it take such as be not spotted Shall those stand as the champions in the Lords battell which haue imbraced this present worlde and seeke after gaine These fight for their bellie not for the Lord. Those whom the people calleth greedie Dogs could not be more greedie then these for they be neuer satisfied The Lord giue them repentance or else disburden his church of them Philedonos I am sorie there is anie such taske in my house If you will go to your chambers all things are readie the Night is well spent FINIS