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nos_fw-la deo_fw-la in_o sanguine_fw-la tuo_fw-la etc._n etc._n thou_o have_v redeem_v we_o to_o god_n in_o thy_o blood_n and_o have_v make_v we_o to_o our_o god_n a_o kingdom_n and_o priest_n and_o we_o shall_v reign_v upon_o the_o earth_n and_o this_o may_v be_v confirm_v out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o wisdom_n 3â—_n which_o say_v that_o the_o just_a when_o they_o shall_v be_v glorify_v iudicabunt_fw-la nationes_fw-la &_o dominabuntur_fw-la populis_fw-la etc._n etc._n shall_v judge_v nation_n and_o shall_v have_v dominion_n over_o people_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n the_o psalmist_n say_v speak_v of_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n saint_n exultabunt_fw-la sancti_fw-la in_o gloria_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o saint_n shall_v exult_v 14â—_n and_o rejoice_v in_o glory_n etc._n etc._n they_o shall_v have_v two_o edge_a sword_n in_o their_o hand_n to_o take_v revenge_n upon_o nation_n and_o to_o chastise_v people_n to_o tie_v their_o king_n in_o fetter_n and_o their_o noble_a man_n in_o iron_n manacle_n etc._n etc._n thus_o say_v the_o royal_a prophet_n 60._o and_o albeit_o this_o shall_v be_v special_o 19_o and_o most_o manifest_o fulfil_v at_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n â—2_n when_o the_o saint_n of_o god_n shall_v assist_v our_o saviour_n in_o the_o judgement_n country_n and_o condemnation_n of_o the_o wicked_a yet_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o also_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n it_o be_v verify_v in_o the_o power_n and_o dominion_n that_o god_n impart_v to_o his_o saint_n give_v they_o the_o protection_n of_o city_n country_n and_o man_n as_o it_o appear_v evident_o by_o innumerable_a example_n which_o may_v be_v allege_v of_o kingdom_n and_o city_n defend_v god_n servant_n relieve_v and_o his_o enemy_n destroy_v by_o they_o 19_o for_o which_o cause_n the_o ancient_a father_n do_v worthy_o call_v they_o the_o keeper_n of_o human_a kind_n governor_n of_o
may_v not_o pray_v to_o saint_n do_v he_o not_o see_v trow_v you_o if_o he_o see_v the_o place_n in_o the_o author_n matter_n and_o not_o in_o some_o corrupt_a notebook_n either_o of_o his_o own_o or_o his_o fellow_n that_o s._n ambrose_n speak_v here_o of_o prayer_n for_o a_o particular_a purpose_n to_o wit_n to_o obtain_v the_o grace_n of_o god_n for_o the_o emperor_n child_n to_o make_v they_o like_o their_o father_n and_o this_o s._n ambrose_n say_v with_o great_a reason_n be_v to_o be_v crave_v of_o god_n alone_o for_o he_o alone_o and_o none_o but_o he_o can_v give_v grace_n and_o therefore_o he_o be_v only_o to_o be_v invocate_v as_o the_o giver_n of_o it_o albeit_o the_o prayer_n both_o of_o saint_n and_o man_n may_v be_v crave_v to_o help_v to_o obtain_v it_o of_o he_o and_o i_o think_v m._n andrews_n will_v not_o deny_v he_o but_o that_o s._n ambrose_n may_v very_o lawful_o have_v desire_v the_o people_n to_o pray_v to_o god_n to_o represent_v theodosius_n in_o his_o child_n that_o be_v to_o say_v to_o give_v they_o grace_v that_o they_o may_v be_v like_o their_o father_n in_o virtue_n and_o piety_n so_o as_o it_o appear_v that_o solus_fw-la invocandus_fw-la be_v no_o otherwise_o use_v in_o this_o place_n of_o s._n ambrose_n then_o as_o rogandus_fw-la be_v which_o present_o follow_v and_o that_o both_o of_o they_o be_v to_o be_v refer_v to_o that_o which_o ensue_v to_o wit_n repraesentesâ—_n and_o final_o that_o this_o place_n do_v not_o exclude_v the_o crave_n of_o prayer_n either_o of_o man_n or_o of_o saint_n to_o obtain_v grace_n of_o god_n though_o it_o signify_v that_o god_n only_o can_v give_v grace_n and_o consequent_o be_v only_o to_o be_v invocate_v to_o that_o end_n 34._o and_o therefore_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o thy_o judgement_n his_o good_a reader_n how_o sincere_a m._n andrews_n be_v in_o cite_v the_o father_n who_o he_o nip_v and_o mangle_v in_o this_o manner_n to_o make_v they_o speak_v after_o his_o fasshion_n and_o what_o a_o good_a cause_n he_o have_v in_o hand_n see_v he_o be_v force_v to_o maintain_v it_o with_o such_o fraud_n and_o falsehood_n which_o may_v yet_o further_o appear_v by_o the_o conclusion_n of_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o place_n object_v by_o the_o cardinal_n out_o of_o s._n ambrose_n wherein_o true_o he_o show_v himself_o no_o less_o fraudulent_a poterat_fw-la and_o impertinent_a then_o before_o thus_o than_o he_o say_v etiam_fw-la scriptus_fw-la illi_fw-la de_fw-la oratione_fw-la libre_fw-la etc._n etc._n he_o to_o wit_n ambrose_n also_o write_v a_o book_n concern_v prayer_n wherein_o albeit_o there_o be_v fit_a place_n or_o occasion_n to_o treat_v of_o this_o matter_n write_v yet_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n at_o all_o of_o saint_n so_o heâ—_n which_o true_o i_o must_v needs_o account_v for_o a_o fraud_n &_o abuse_v of_o his_o reader_n until_o he_o tell_v i_o where_o this_o book_n which_o he_o mention_v be_v to_o be_v find_v for_o i_o have_v search_v for_o it_o diligent_o as_o well_o in_o the_o tome_n of_o s._n ambrose_n as_o also_o in_o other_o that_o have_v write_v particular_o of_o his_o work_n and_o yet_o i_o can_v find_v no_o such_o book_n nor_o mention_v thereof_o any_o where_o 35._o true_a it_o be_v that_o he_o treat_v of_o prayer_n in_o many_o part_n of_o his_o work_n not_o in_o any_o particular_a treatise_n bear_v that_o title_n but_o obiter_fw-la by_o the_o way_n upon_o occasion_n offer_v either_o in_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o scripture_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n or_o in_o his_o other_o treatise_n as_o for_o example_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr sacramentis_fw-la he_o write_v of_o the_o manner_n &_o place_n of_o prayer_n of_o the_o order_n to_o be_v observe_v therein_o of_o the_o beginning_n midst_n and_o end_n of_o it_o of_o the_o difference_n of_o postulation_n 4._o obsecration_n and_o thanksgiving_n yea_o he_o expound_v the_o whole_a pater_fw-la noster_fw-la and_o as_o it_o be_v true_a that_o in_o these_o place_n there_o be_v no_o mention_n either_o of_o the_o prayer_n of_o saint_n for_o we_o or_o of_o our_o prayer_n to_o they_o so_o also_o it_o be_v no_o less_o true_a that_o there_o be_v many_o other_o thing_n appertain_a to_o prayer_n which_o be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o touch_v there_o as_o to_o speak_v of_o a_o thing_n of_o like_a nature_n and_o quality_n to_o the_o other_o there_o be_v not_o any_o insinuation_n of_o our_o mutual_a prayer_n one_o for_o another_o albeit_o there_o be_v diverse_a place_n which_o may_v be_v suppose_v very_o fit_a and_o convenient_a for_o that_o purpose_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o mention_n there_o of_o prayer_n for_o our_o enemy_n although_o s._n ambrose_n may_v seem_v to_o have_v have_v very_o just_a occasion_n to_o speak_v thereof_o when_o treat_v of_o prayer_n he_o expound_v this_o petition_n of_o the_o pater_fw-la noster_fw-la dimite_fw-la nobis_fw-la debita_fw-la nostra_fw-la etc._n etc._n forgive_v we_o our_o trespass_n as_o we_o for_o give_v they_o that_o trespass_n against_o us._n 36._o and_o now_o shall_v we_o say_v that_o s._n ambrose_n hold_v it_o to_o be_v either_o unlawful_a argument_n or_o needle_n to_o pray_v for_o our_o enemy_n or_o to_o crave_v the_o prayer_n of_o our_o brethren_n because_o he_o faith_n nothing_o of_o those_o point_n in_o these_o place_n or_o shall_v his_o silence_n here_o prejudice_n his_o clear_a doctrine_n else_o where_o and_o be_v take_v for_o a_o recantation_n of_o it_o as_o m._n andrews_n will_v have_v it_o to_o be_v suppose_v in_o this_o other_o case_n what_o then_o will_v he_o say_v of_o a_o point_n which_o he_o himself_o allow_v concern_v the_o intercession_n of_o saint_n to_o wit_n not_o only_o that_o they_o pray_v for_o we_o but_o also_o that_o we_o may_v pray_v to_o god_n to_o hear_v and_o help_v we_o by_o their_o intercession_n which_o he_o grant_v to_o be_v lawful_a albeit_o there_o will_v be_v no_o mention_n of_o it_o in_o that_o book_n of_o s._n ambrose_n the_o oratione_fw-la which_o he_o cite_v poterat_fw-la if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o for_o he_o himself_o confess_v that_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n therein_o at_o all_o of_o saint_n will_v he_o therefore_o allow_v we_o to_o infer_v hereupon_o that_o s._n ambrose_n do_v not_o believe_v eythere_o that_o saint_n do_v pray_v for_o we_o or_o that_o we_o may_v pray_v to_o god_n to_o be_v help_v by_o their_o intercession_n so_o shall_v this_o suppose_a book_n whereto_o he_o appeal_v condemn_v he_o no_o less_o in_o this_o point_n then_o we_o in_o the_o other_o 37._o and_o if_o i_o will_v be_v so_o absurd_a to_o argue_v as_o he_o do_v i_o may_v as_o probable_o say_v that_o s._n ambrose_n approve_v prayer_n to_o saint_n himself_o because_o he_o do_v not_o condemn_v it_o in_o his_o exposition_n of_o the_o pater_fw-la noster_fw-la where_o the_o place_n seem_v to_o invite_v he_o to_o teach_v that_o all_o prayer_n ought_v to_o be_v direct_v to_o god_n only_o if_o he_o have_v be_v of_o that_o opinion_n and_o have_v not_o allow_v prayer_n to_o saint_n as_o to_o intercessor_n to_o god_n for_o we_o thus_o i_o say_v i_o may_v argue_v with_o as_o much_o probability_n as_o m._n andrew_n do_v but_o that_o i_o be_o not_o ignorant_a as_o neither_o he_o i_o think_v shall_v be_v that_o such_o a_o argument_n ab_fw-la authoritate_fw-la negativa_fw-la howsoever_o it_o may_v sometime_o serve_v for_o a_o light_n or_o bare_a conjecture_n yet_o can_v never_o pass_v for_o a_o proof_n among_o learned_a man_n especial_o to_o such_o purpose_n as_o he_o urge_v it_o here_o to_o wit_n to_o overthrow_v a_o author_n express_a doctrine_n in_o one_o place_n by_o his_o silence_n thereof_o in_o another_o for_o who_o know_v not_o that_o all_o author_n have_v certain_a principal_a intention_n in_o their_o work_n and_o treatise_n whereto_o special_o tend_v all_o their_o discourse_n and_o that_o they_o be_v not_o any_o way_n bind_v to_o handle_v other_o by-question_n further_o than_o they_o think_v convenient_a wherein_o also_o every_o one_o have_v his_o reason_n though_o unknown_a to_o other_o why_o he_o handle_v one_o point_n more_o than_o some_o other_o which_o may_v perhaps_o seem_v no_o less_o pertinent_a to_o his_o subject_n then_o that_o which_o he_o handle_v neither_o be_v he_o to_o be_v control_v or_o blame_v for_o the_o same_o if_o he_o perform_v as_o much_o as_o he_o either_o promise_v or_o special_o intend_v and_o therefore_o although_o s._n ambrose_n have_v write_v such_o a_o book_n concern_v prayer_n as_o m._n andrews_n forge_v yet_o his_o silence_n therein_o touch_v prayer_n to_o saint_n can_v not_o prejudice_n his_o express_a doctrine_n thereof_o in_o his_o other_o work_n 38._o well_o then_o to_o conclude_v concern_v this_o point_n i_o hope_v good_a reader_n thou_o have_v note_v diverse_a thing_n worthy_a to_o be_v consider_v as_o first_o
he_o take_v arcadius_n the_o emperor_n who_o cause_v this_o to_o be_v do_v and_o all_o the_o bishop_n which_o carry_v these_o relic_n and_o all_o the_o multitude_n of_o people_n which_o accompany_v they_o for_o sacrilegious_a person_n and_o fool_n and_o final_o conclude_v deryde_v his_o folly_n videlicet_fw-la say_v he_o adorabant_fw-la samuelem_fw-la non_fw-la christum_fw-la cvius_fw-la samuel_n &_o levita_fw-la &_o propheta_fw-la fuit_fw-la belike_o they_o adore_v samuel_n and_o not_o christ_n who_o levite_n and_o prophet_n samuel_n be_v this_o say_v s._n hierome_n show_v the_o absurdity_n of_o vigilantius_n who_o do_v think_v that_o christ_n be_v not_o adore_v in_o all_o this_o but_o only_o samuel_n whereas_o all_o the_o reverence_n honour_n &_o adoration_n use_v by_o those_o bishop_n and_o people_n to_o the_o relic_n of_o samuel_n be_v indeed_o do_v to_o christ_n because_o as_o s._n hierome_n say_v before_o seruorum_fw-la honos_fw-la redundat_fw-la ad_fw-la dominum_fw-la the_o honour_n of_o the_o servant_n redound_v to_o their_o lord_n 26._o so_o that_o s._n hierome_n do_v not_o deny_v that_o holy_a relic_n may_v be_v adore_v in_o any_o other_o sense_n then_o as_o m._n andrew_n follow_v his_o progenitor_n vigilantius_n will_v needs_o understand_v the_o word_n adoration_n that_o be_v for_o a_o divine_a cult_a and_o worship_n in_o which_o sense_n neither_o s._n hierome_n nor_o the_o catholic_n in_o his_o time_n nor_o we_o now_o do_v use_n or_o take_v it_o when_o it_o be_v apply_v to_o holy_a thing_n but_o only_o for_o a_o devout_a and_o religious_a veneration_n as_o s._n hierome_n himself_o do_v also_o use_v it_o not_o only_o in_o the_o place_n before_o cite_v by_o the_o cardinal_n touch_v the_o adoration_n of_o the_o ash_n of_o s._n john_n and_o other_o prophet_n but_o also_o when_o he_o say_v of_o himself_o ruffin_n praesepe_fw-la domini_fw-la &_o incunabula_fw-la adoravi_fw-la i_o adore_v the_o manger_n and_o cradle_n of_o christ_n and_o again_o expound_v that_o verse_n of_o the_o psalm_n adorate_fw-la scabellum_fw-la pedum_fw-la eius_fw-la adore_v the_o footstole_a of_o his_o foot_n he_o take_v the_o footstool_n to_o be_v the_o cross_n 98._o give_v thereby_o to_o understand_v that_o the_o cross_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v and_o therefore_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o thou_o good_a reader_n to_o judge_v what_o a_o vain_a vaunt_n it_o be_v of_o m._n andrews_n to_o say_v upon_o the_o former_a place_n of_o s._n hierome_n tenetur_fw-la hic_fw-la cardinalis_fw-la ut_fw-la elabi_fw-la non_fw-la possit_fw-la hecre_n the_o cardinal_n be_v take_v and_o hold_v so_o fast_o that_o he_o can_v slip_v away_o whereas_o you_o see_v that_o the_o whole_a place_n and_o the_o circumstance_n be_v lay_v down_o with_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n betwixt_o vigilantius_n and_o s._n hierome_n all_o which_o he_o crafty_o conceal_v he_o be_v catch_v himself_o like_o a_o mouse_n in_o a_o trap_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o he_o shall_v never_o be_v able_a to_o get_v out_o with_o his_o credit_n 27._o examine_v but_o yet_o there_o remain_v a_o word_n or_o two_o more_o to_o be_v say_v of_o this_o matter_n to_o a_o place_n of_o s._n augustine_n and_o s._n ambrose_n which_o he_o also_o object_v to_o the_o same_o purpose_n for_o whereas_o those_o two_o father_n interpret_n the_o word_n of_o the_o psalm_n adorate_fw-la scabellum_fw-la pedum_fw-la eius_fw-la adore_v you_o the_o footstool_n of_o his_o foot_n do_v expound_v the_o footstool_n to_o be_v the_o body_n of_o our_o saviour_n in_o the_o bless_a sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n 12._o teach_v that_o the_o same_o be_v there_o to_o be_v adore_v m._n andrews_n say_v that_o if_o adorare_fw-la may_v be_v take_v proper_o to_o adore_v holy_a thing_n they_o will_v never_o have_v trouble_v themselves_o so_o much_o to_o find_v out_o how_o the_o footstool_n of_o god_n may_v be_v adore_v neither_o will_v they_o have_v determine_v that_o it_o can_v not_o be_v adore_v but_o in_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n 13._o whereto_o i_o answer_v firstâ—_o that_o they_o do_v not_o expound_v the_o same_o literal_o but_o mystical_o for_o scabellum_fw-la dei_fw-la the_o footstool_n of_o god_n in_o that_o place_n be_v literal_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o ark_n of_o the_o testament_n as_o the_o cardinal_n have_v prove_v by_o many_o notable_a reason_n &_o authority_n in_o his_o controversys_n whereto_o i_o remit_v m._n andrews_n because_o i_o will_v not_o detain_v my_o reader_n too_o long_o upon_o this_o point_n 28._o second_o i_o say_v that_o albeit_o they_o understand_v adoration_n in_o that_o place_n for_o divine_a honour_n yet_o they_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o it_o be_v and_o well_o may_v be_v take_v in_o other_o place_n 1._o for_o a_o religious_a worship_n do_v to_o holy_a man_n for_o s._n augustine_n himself_o teach_v express_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr civitate_fw-la dei_fw-la that_o there_o be_v no_o one_o word_n in_o latin_a that_o so_o proper_o signify_v divine_a honour_n or_o worship_n but_o it_o be_v and_o may_v be_v apply_v to_o creature_n except_o latria_n which_o be_v borrow_v of_o the_o greek_n and_o apply_v either_o always_o say_v s._n augustine_n or_o almost_o always_o to_o the_o service_n of_o god_n rather_o by_o custom_n and_o use_n then_o by_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o word_n proper_o signify_v seruitus_fw-la service_n for_o which_o cause_n have_v in_o his_o question_n upon_o genesis_n demand_v how_o abraham_n can_v lawful_o adore_v the_o child_n of_o heth_n see_v the_o scripture_n say_v 4._o dominum_fw-la deum_fw-la tuum_fw-la adorabis_fw-la &_o illi_fw-la soli_fw-la seruies_fw-la thou_o shall_v adore_v thy_o lord_n god_n and_o serve_v he_o alone_o he_o answer_v that_o it_o be_v not_o say_v there_o deum_fw-la solum_fw-la adorabis_fw-la thou_o shall_v adore_v god_n alone_o but_o illi_fw-la soli_fw-la seruies_fw-la thou_o shall_v serve_v he_o alone_o and_o note_v also_o that_o for_o the_o word_n seruies_fw-la in_o latin_a the_o greek_a have_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o whence_o be_v derive_v latria_n so_o that_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o s._n augustine_n himself_o that_o neither_o adorare_fw-la nor_o any_o other_o latin_a word_n do_v proper_o signify_v to_o worship_n god_n only_o and_o that_o adoratio_fw-la when_o it_o be_v not_o take_v for_o cultus_fw-la latriae_fw-la as_o he_o take_v it_o in_o the_o exposition_n of_o adorate_fw-la scabellum_fw-la etc._n etc._n may_v be_v apply_v to_o creature_n and_o therefore_o he_o himself_o not_o only_o understand_v adoration_n for_o civil_a worship_n in_o the_o foresay_a example_n of_o abraham_n sanctis_fw-la but_o also_o use_v it_o else_o where_o for_o religious_a worship_n due_a to_o holy_a man_n say_v of_o s._n peter_n beaâ—issimum_fw-la petrum_fw-la piscatorom_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o multitude_n of_o faithful_a people_n do_v now_o adore_v the_o most_o bless_a peter_n the_o fishery_n genibus_fw-la provolutis_fw-la upon_o their_o knee_n theodosij_n 29._o s._n ambrose_n also_o make_v no_o doubt_n to_o apply_v it_o to_o the_o veneration_n and_o worship_n of_o holy_a thing_n who_o speak_v of_o the_o nail_n of_o christ_n cross_n which_o queen_n helen_n cause_v to_o be_v set_v in_o the_o diadem_n of_o the_o emperor_n constantin_n her_o son_n say_v that_o she_o do_v wise_o therein_o ut_fw-la crux_fw-la christi_fw-la adoretur_fw-la in_o regibus_fw-la that_o the_o cross_n of_o christ_n may_v be_v adore_v in_o king_n and_o to_o show_v that_o he_o speak_v of_o religious_a worship_n &_o adoration_n &_o not_o of_o civil_a honour_n due_a to_o king_n he_o add_v immediate_o non_fw-la insolentia_fw-la ista_fw-la sed_fw-la pietas_fw-la est_fw-la cum_fw-la defertur_fw-la sacrae_fw-la redemptioni_fw-la this_o be_v not_o insolency_n but_o piety_n when_o 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v refer_v to_o our_o holy_a redemption_n wherein_o i_o wish_v it_o â—o_o be_v note_v by_o the_o way_n that_o m._n andrew_n may_v learn_v hereby_o how_o impertinent_o he_o answer_v else_o where_o to_o this_o place_n allege_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n for_o whereas_o the_o cardinal_n to_o prove_v the_o religious_a adoration_n of_o relic_n and_o image_n object_v out_o of_o s._n ambrose_n this_o very_a place_n to_o wit_n that_o queen_n helen_n do_v well_o and_o wise_o cause_v the_o cross_n to_o be_v set_v upon_o the_o head_n of_o king_n to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o cross_n of_o christ_n may_v be_v adore_v in_o king_n m._n andrews_n answer_v ambrosio_n that_o if_o the_o cross_n be_v adore_v in_o king_n non_fw-la aliter_fw-la adoratur_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v not_o otherwise_o adore_v then_o the_o king_n themselves_o be_v autem_fw-la civilis_fw-la honos_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la religiosus_fw-la but_o this_o be_v a_o civil_a and_o not_o religious_a honour_n so_o he_o but_o you_o see_v here_o that_o the_o adoration_n whereof_o s._n ambrose_n speak_v be_v not_o due_a or_o give_v to_o the_o king_n themselves_o but_o refer_v to_o our_o redemption_n that_o be_v to_o say_v to_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n and_o therefore_o