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himself_o 29._o himself_o lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr ro._n pont._n cap._n 29._o do_v for_o many_o year_n together_o hold_v with_o albertus_n pighius_fw-la 7._o pighius_fw-la lib._n 5._o hierach_n eccles_n cap._n 7._o that_o it_o be_v the_o more_o probable_a opinion_n that_o s._n paul_n &_o consequent_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v subject_a in_o temporal_n to_o caesar_n not_o only_a de_fw-fr facto_fw-la but_o also_o the_o jure_fw-la from_o whence_o suppose_v another_o true_a &_o undoubted_a principle_n grant_v also_o by_o card._n bellarmine_n 3._o bellarmine_n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n cap._n 29._o &_o lib._n 5._o cap._n 3._o that_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n do_v deprive_v no_o man_n of_o any_o his_o right_a or_o dominion_n it_o necessary_o follow_v that_o if_o infidel_n prince_n have_v rightful_a power_n and_o dominion_n or_o jurisdiction_n over_o clergy_n man_n there_o be_v no_o repugnance_n but_o that_o they_o may_v keep_v the_o same_o power_n and_o jurisdiction_n 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