not_o where_o but_o in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n hyperius_n in_o his_o method_n of_o divinity_n lib._n 3._o pag._n 349_o be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n at_o that_o time_n of_o elias_n altogether_o invisible_a to_o man_n and_o know_v to_o god_n alone_o the_o swisser_n confession_n cap._n 17_o the_o church_n hide_v from_o our_o eye_n and_o know_v to_o god_n only_o alone_o know_a to_o god_n alone_o do_v often_o fly_v the_o judgement_n of_o man_n besnage_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o visible_a and_o invisible_a church_n cap._n 4_o the_o church_n be_v eftsoon_o know_v to_o god_n alone_o son_n be_v in_o his_o answer_n to_o sponde_v cap._n 2._o pag._n 32_o we_o say_v the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n be_v such_o as_o be_v sometime_o know_v to_o god_n alone_o and_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 3._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 478_o we_o say_v that_o the_o external_a state_n of_o the_o church_n do_v cease_v and_o that_o the_o faithful_a and_o godly_a may_v be_v so_o 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22_o i_o deny_v say_v be_v this_o succession_n of_o pastor_n to_o be_v always_o notorious_a to_o the_o world_n and_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o stapletons_n cavillat_n who_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o she_o alone_o it_o the_o true_a church_n who_o can_v show_v her_o pastor_n in_o a_o continual_a succession_n d._n humphrey_n to_o 3._o reason_n of_o f._n campian_n p._n 288._o confess_v that_o not_o so_o much_o as_o the_o name_n of_o the_o pastor_n who_o teach_v their_o church_n be_v extant_a d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2_o quest_n 5._o cap._n 6._o page_n 508._o thus_o write_v what_o then_o be_v the_o succession_n of_o our_o pastor_n always_o visible_a no._n for_o this_o be_v not_o needful_a though_o therefore_o our_o pastor_n be_v not_o in_o time_n past_o manifest_a neither_o can_v we_o name_v then_o yet_o etc._n etc._n d._n morton_n in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o his_o apology_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 21._o say_v that_o the_o catholic_a church_n can_v always_o show_v the_o ordination_n of_o pastor_n d._n white_a in_o his_o way_n to_o the_o church_n pag._n 410_o i_o have_v show_v the_o teacher_n of_o our_o faith_n do_v lawful_o succeed_v and_o so_o always_o have_v do_v though_o not_o outward_o and_o visible_o to_o the_o world_n the_o like_a he_o have_v pag._n 411._o and_o 436._o sadel_n write_v his_o book_n the_o vocatione_n ministrorun_v against_o such_o protestant_n as_o think_v that_o their_o minister_n want_v all_o lawful_a call_n because_o say_v they_o they_o have_v no_o perpetual_a visible_a succession_n from_o the_o apostle_n unto_o these_o time_n and_o himself_o there_o pag._n 560._o confess_v that_o visible_a succession_n have_v be_v break_v of_o for_o many_o year_n in_o the_o church_n thou_o see_v good_a reader_n how_o they_o plain_o confess_v that_o before_o luther_n start_v up_o their_o pastor_n be_v unknown_a to_o the_o world_n not_o manifest_a their_o succession_n not_o always_o visible_a their_o name_n not_o extant_a nor_o they_o can_v be_v name_v of_o 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the_o gradual_a psalm_n tom_n 3._o fol._n 5â—5_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o my_o quarrel_n i_o take_v all_o the_o matter_n upon_o myself_o and_o do_v think_v that_o by_o god_n help_n i_o alone_o shall_v sustain_v it_o and_o otherwhere_o as_o before_o be_v report_v he_o say_v that_o without_o he_o other_o shall_v not_o have_v know_v one_o jot_n of_o the_o gospel_n melancthon_n in_o the_o preface_n of_o the_o act_n of_o ratisbon_n tom_n 4._o pag._n 730_o say_v luther_n alone_o dare_v meddle_v with_o the_o error_n of_o the_o pope_n &_o school_n zuinglius_fw-la in_o his_o exegesis_n to_o 2._o term_v luther_n jonathas_n who_o alone_o dare_v set_v upon_o the_o camp_n of_o the_o philistian_o and_o caluin_n in_o his_o admonition_n to_o westphalus_n pag._n 787._o say_v luther_n alone_o doubt_v not_o to_o set_v upon_o all_o popery_n beside_o luther_n as_o before_o we_o have_v rehearse_v write_v that_o the_o only_a scripture_n be_v leave_v whereby_o man_n may_v recover_v the_o faith_n but_o if_o 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tom_fw-mi 3._o fol._n 568_o the_o church_n have_v no_o true_a ministry_n under_o antichrist_n ministry_n no_o true_a ministry_n upon_o the_o 25._o of_o genesis_n tom_n 6._o fol._n 319_o in_o our_o time_n after_o those_o popish_a monster_n the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o the_o word_n and_o of_o divine_a ordination_n be_v extinguish_v and_o upon_o the_o 49._o chap._n fol._n 655_o extinguish_v extinguish_v we_o be_v not_o the_o church_n for_o any_o ordinary_a succession_n caluin_n epist_n 290_o because_o the_o true_a rank_n of_o ordination_n be_v break_v of_o by_o the_o tyranny_n of_o the_o pope_n now_o we_o need_v have_v new_a help_n to_o raise_v again_o the_o church_n of_o break_a of_o and_o in_o answer_n to_o sadolet_n pag._n 132._o he_o write_v that_o when_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o pope_n be_v set_v up_o the_o true_a order_n of_o the_o church_n perish_v perish_v perish_v and_o of_o true_a reformation_n p._n 322_o not_o without_o cause_n do_v we_o avouch_v the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o some_o age_n to_o have_v be_v so_o ioâ—ne_a and_o scatter_v that_o be_v it_o be_v destitute_a of_o true_a pastor_n beza_n in_o his_o catechism_n pastor_n destitute_a of_o pastor_n title_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 5_o sect_n 18_o in_o our_o time_n it_o come_v to_o pass_v thing_n be_v so_o fall_v down_o that_o there_o be_v leave_v no_o place_n for_o ordinary_a vocation_n and_o epist_n 5._o pag._n 39_o in_o our_o time_n ordinary_a vocation_n where_o ordinary_a vocation_n no_o where_o which_o no_o where_n be_v neither_o can_v nor_o aught_o to_o be_v expect_v and_o epist_n 24_o you_o know_v be_v teach_v by_o fresh_a example_n how_o the_o public_a ministry_n be_v as_o it_o be_v overwhelm_v for_o a_o time_n yet_o the_o church_n of_o god_n remain_v and_o epist_n 81_o the_o matter_n come_v to_o that_o pass_n ground_n overthrow_v to_o the_o ground_n that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a order_n be_v whole_o overthrow_v even_o to_o the_o foundation_n the_o vain_a name_n thereof_o only_o remain_v 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his_o denial_n and_o vorstins_n in_o his_o antibellarm_n pag._n 464_o it_o be_v enough_o for_o the_o denier_n probable_o to_o deny_v wherefore_o in_o these_o kind_n of_o question_n protestant_n ought_v to_o be_v urge_v to_o perform_v their_o part_n that_o be_v to_o prove_v what_o they_o affirm_v to_o wit_n that_o before_o luther_n time_n their_o church_n be_v have_v pastor_n and_o the_o like_a which_o if_o they_o can_v do_v they_o must_v needs_o confess_v that_o in_o this_o debate_n they_o have_v lose_v their_o cause_n and_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o press_v we_o to_o prove_v that_o before_o luther_n their_o church_n be_v not_o have_v not_o pastor_n etc._n etc._n because_o as_o i_o say_v herein_o we_o be_v only_o the_o defender_n and_o denier_n 473._o tom._n 1._o foe_n 389._o 473._o and_o therefore_o it_o suffice_v for_o we_o to_o show_v that_o no_o reason_n which_o the_o protestant_n allege_v convince_v a_o reasonable_a man_n to_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v any_o such_o church_n 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the_o church_n pag._n 95_o that_o they_o profess_v among_o themselves_o osiander_n in_o his_o manuel_n pag._n 59_o in_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o rome_n there_o be_v the_o invisible_a company_n of_o believer_n hide_v to_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o world_n caelius_n secundus_fw-la curio_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o lardgne_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n pag._n 212_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o for_o many_o year_n the_o church_n lie_v hide_v and_o that_o the_o citizen_n of_o this_o kingdom_n can_v scarce_o or_o not_o at_o all_o be_v discern_v from_o other_o and_o the_o scot_n in_o their_o general_a confession_n we_o say_v that_o this_o be_v the_o only_a true_a christian_a say_v which_o be_v now_o reveal_v to_o the_o world_n thus_o they_o acknowledge_v that_o before_o luther_n tym_fw-mi protestant_n be_v unknown_a to_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o officer_n to_o their_o
that_o be_v to_o be_v iustify_v by_o good_a work_n for_o thus_o say_v luther_n of_o they_o in_o his_o table-talkes_a chap._n of_o suermer_n the_o waldense_n be_v holy_a workman_n and_o believe_v not_o that_o say_v without_o work_n do_v justify_v and_o know_v nothing_o at_o all_o of_o imputative_a justice_n 8._o cocciuâ—_n 10.1_o lib._n 8._o and_o bennet_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o the_o church_n p._n 1â—4_n speak_v thus_o unto_o they_o you_o confirm_v the_o doctrine_n of_o antichrist_n touch_v good_a work_n justification_n etc._n etc._n and_o themselves_o in_o their_o apology_n print_v at_o hanow_n together_o with_o the_o history_n of_o bohemia_n pag._n 256._o plain_o show_v that_o they_o believe_v a_o man_n to_o be_v justify_v by_o faith_n charity_n hope_v penance_n and_o work_n of_o mercy_n and_o do_v say_v that_o devout_a prayer_n do_v purge_v and_o penance_n cleanse_v a_o man_n 4._o three_o the_o waldense_n be_v condemn_v of_o protestant_n both_o lutheran_n and_o sacramentary_n melancthon_n in_o his_o counsel_n part_v 2._o pag._n 152._o write_v 418._o see_v refut_n orthod_n consensus_fw-la pag._n 418._o i_o rejoice_v that_o you_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o the_o sum_n of_o doctrine_n i_o know_v the_o waldense_n be_v unlike_a and_o in_o carrion_n chronicle_n print_v at_o paris_n 1357._o he_o say_v that_o they_o sow_v error_n deny_v all_o oath_n and_o all_o form_n of_o prayer_n beside_o the_o lord_n prayer_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o forname_v book_n pag._n 79._o give_v this_o verdict_n of_o they_o they_o have_v proud_o neglect_v the_o light_n of_o doctrine_n which_o be_v kindle_v from_o heaven_n in_o this_o age_n &_o have_v with_o tooth_n and_o naâ—le_n by_o write_v among_o their_o own_o man_n secret_o defend_v those_o most_o gross_a erro_n which_o in_o the_o year_n 1523._o be_v discover_v by_o luther_n beside_o selnecer_n as_o he_o report_v affirm_v that_o they_o have_v gross_a error_n and_o such_o as_o be_v not_o to_o be_v bear_v withal_o 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themselves_o we_o abide_v in_o one_o opinion_n that_o the_o form_n of_o your_o confession_n can_v be_v absolute_o admit_v without_o danger_n and_o m._n jewel_n also_o in_o defence_n of_o the_o apology_n part_n pag._n 48._o say_v plain_o of_o the_o albigense_n they_o be_v none_o of_o we_o d._n humphrey_n to_o the_o three_o reason_n of_o f._n campian_n pag._n 371_o they_o be_v not_o whole_o we_o and_o osiander_n in_o his_o 13._o century_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 4._o pantaleon_n in_o his_o chronicle_n pag._n 98._o &_o melancthon_n in_o the_o foresay_a chronicle_n of_o carrion_n reckon_v they_o among_o heretic_n but_o the_o albigense_n be_v all_o one_o for_o religion_n with_o the_o waldense_n as_o d._n fulke_n say_v in_o these_o word_n lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 332_o that_o epistle_n of_o the_o archbishop_n do_v prove_v that_o the_o albigense_n &_o waldense_n be_v all_o one_o the_o same_o also_o confess_v illyricus_n in_o his_o catalogue_n in_o 4._o to_o pag_n 536._o where_o also_o pag._n 561._o he_o speak_v in_o this_o sort_n the_o waldense_n or_o albigense_n yea_o the_o waldense_n themselves_o in_o the_o bohemian_a confession_n if_o it_o be_v they_o do_v insinuate_v that_o they_o be_v condemn_v of_o the_o sacramentary_n whereas_o they_o say_v in_o the_o 13._o article_n that_o they_o who_o deny_v the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n to_o be_v the_o true_a flesh_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n do_v call_v they_o idolater_n antichrist_n and_o man_n brand_v with_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o beast_n beside_o illyricus_n in_o his_o forecited_a catalogue_n write_v that_o the_o thaborites_n who_o indeed_o say_v he_o follow_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o waldense_n be_v grievous_o vex_v and_o persecute_v of_o rokesana_n and_o other_o hussite_n wherefore_o sith_o protestant_n common_o challenge_v the_o hussite_n for_o their_o brethren_n they_o ought_v not_o to_o claim_v also_o the_o waldenles_a who_o doctrine_n the_o hussite_n do_v persecute_v certain_o the_o confession_n of_o bohemia_n which_o be_v say_v to_o be_v they_o do_v plain_o distinguish_v they_o from_o protestant_n especial_o from_o sacramentary_n for_o art_n 2._o they_o say_v we_o must_v keep_v the_o commandment_n in_o hart_n &_o deed_n art_n 5._o that_o those_o which_o repent_v must_v confess_v their_o sin_n to_o a_o priest_n and_o ask_v absolution_n of_o he_o art_n 9_o that_o priest_n ought_v to_o be_v single_a art_n 11._o that_o sacrament_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o be_v 13._o that_o the_o eucharist_n be_v the_o true_a body_n of_o christ_n as_o say_v they_o christ_n plain_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n of_o which_o word_n we_o ought_v to_o believe_v the_o plain_a sense_n not_o declime_v to_o the_o right_n or_o left_a whereupon_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n that_o caluin_n in_o his_o 249._o epistle_n deni_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a man_n to_o embrace_v the_o waldense_n confession_n in_o these_o word_n consider_v you_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a man_n 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