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controu_fw-fr 2._o quaest_n 4._o pag._n 223._o thus_o write_v it_o be_v manifest_a that_o even_o after_o christ_n his_o ascension_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n descend_v upon_o the_o apostle_n not_o only_o the_o common_a sort_n but_o even_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o err_v in_o the_o vocation_n of_o the_o gentiles_n etc._n etc._n yea_o peter_n also_o err_v concern_v the_o abrogation_n of_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n etc._n etc._n and_o this_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n etc._n etc._n he_o furthermore_o err_v in_o manner_n and_o these_o be_v great_a error_n 19_o answerable_o hereto_o brentius_n 900._o brentius_n in_o apolog_n confess_v c._n de_fw-fr concilijs_fw-la p._n 900._o a_o eminent_a protestant_n write_v that_o s._n peter_n chief_a of_o the_o apostle_n and_o barnabas_n after_o the_o holy_a ghost_n receive_v together_o with_o the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n err_v d._n fulke_o 2._o fulke_o against_o the_o rhemish_n testam_fw-la in_o galat._n 2._o speak_v upon_o the_o say_a 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