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A84067 A call to the churches; or, A packet of letters to the pastors of Wales presented to the baptized teachers there. With a postscript of a Welsh dispute. By Will. Erbery. Erbery, William, 1604-1654. 1653 (1653) Wing E3224; Thomason E688_1; ESTC R206886 39,182 57

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and many with me that as the eares of the deaf shall hear the words of the book so the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness Isa 29.18 19. This Scripture I spake of at Brecknock the last first day The Book I shewed was God dwelling in men Immanuel God with us that 's Christ God in us God manifest in our flesh as in his is Christ in us the hope of glory for all the Saints shall be taken up into the same glory with himself and the Nations by this called and joyned to the Lord. This Book is sealed to the learned and unlearned Preachers Isa 29.11 yea to the Prophets and Seers and most seeing men yea sealed with seven seals that 's perfectly sealed and from all Churches for it relates to the seven Churches enclining to the Apostacie which followed Secondly 'T is but a sma book a very little one for Iohn could swallow it at a bit Rev. 10. and 't was bitter in his Belly 't is so to flesh for it suffers by it as Christs did but the little Book is no more then God manifest in flesh in his flesh and in ours Thirdly It shall be open and that surely for the ministery of God shall be finished fully known and the Angel sweares by God that time shall be no more for all shall be taken up into eternity into God himself and God shall be all in all I shall repeat no more onely the remembrance of the Lord and his love to me in your dear deceased Wife who lives with me and in me for there 's the Lord in whom she is and in whom we both are though we know not but we shall when the book shall be opened My dearest salutes to all the Saints with you Farewell Brecknock the 23 of Aug. 1652. Your William Erbery For Mr. Vavasor Powel Dear Sir I Am owing to you in much love and in a Letter you long since sent unto me but now I shall repay you an answer which I had not so fit an opportunity to returne till by the present bearer I do not remember the contents of that onely I conceive 't was something concerning Christ and 't is that alone I shall in this confer with you for your Church-fellowship is at an end with God though some men may see somewhat in it yet 't is but a dead carcase they look upon the form of a man but the Spirit life and power form on high appears not at all to me nor to many in it as I have hinted in a Letter to Mr. Moston This is not to direct you in preaching but to desire your second thoughts in the things you spake of the personal reigne of Christ which with confidence you declare to be in that fleshly presence of his with which he ascended and shall so descend to reign a thousand years on earth and the Saints with him This hath some shew in the Letter of Scripture but if the Spirit hid in your flesh and mine shall be suffered to come forth and truely to interpret without the Tradition and Teaching of men God may shew you another sense then what is commonly revealed by Christians and Churches The first ground whereon your foundation or fundamental doctrine stands is Act. 1.11 Ye men of Galilee why stand ye gazing up into Heaven this same Iesus which is taken up from you into Heaven shall come so in like manner as yee have seen him go into Heaven To this know that the Disciples of Christ were too much taken with his fleshly presence while he was living with them in the dayes of his flesh John 16.7 Joh. 20.13 20. and his departure from them or dying of flesh filled their hearts with sorrow as after he was raised those who were weeping at his grave John 20.17 rejoyced to see him in the flesh again and so to touch him but that must not be saith he till I am ascended and this touch could not be but by the Spirit that in them was to take and touch the Spirit in him And what was he even Jesus but God manifest in flesh for 't was God who rose and ascended up on high Joh. 5.19 30. Joh. 8.27 28. Joh. 14.9 10. compare Psal 68.1 18. that 's God in flesh and what was his coming but when that Spirit and power of God in his flesh should appear in theirs the same Jesus came again for as the shedding forth of all the Gifts of the Spirit on the Disciples was the same so Christ tells Paul persecuting the Saints or the Spirit rather in them I am Jesus whom thou persecutest Act. 9.5 Jesus was therefore come again for his coming that he promised 't was nothing but the promise of the Father which they heard of him and in him for as the Father was all in all in his flesh who dwelt and did all his works spake his words so when God even the Father should appear thus with power in their flesh as in his then he came indeed Iohn 14. 18 19 20. He that believeth on me saith he the works that I do shall he do also and greater works then these shall he do because I go to the Father His going to the Father was his disappearance in flesh for when he no longer appeared to them in flesh then he was said to depart therefore his coming again was in the Spirit when he who was with them should be in them then Christ was the Spirit the quickning Spirit because I live ye shall live also Iohn 14.17 19. thus Christ was the Comforter verse 16. called another Comforter because he came in another presence then that of flesh he came and yet was he the same Comforter for I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you verse 18. yet a little while and the world seeth me no more but ye see me c. the world that 's carnal Christians could see no more of Christ when his fleshly presence was gone but ye see me ye who are spiritual or when spiritual ye see me how sure in the Spirit in the Spirit of life v. 19. and in the Spirit of light or knowledge v. 20. At that day ye shall know that I am in the Father and you in me and I in you No more Christ in the flesh but in the Father and Christ no more to be known after the flesh but he in us and we in him This spiritual understanding of Christ the disciples while carnal yea while Christ was in the flesh were ignorant of therefore he calls them in a common name Ye men of Galilee Acts 1.11 and their gaping up to heaven after his fleshly presence is reproved there also The spiritual knowledge of him is then taught This same Iesus which is taken from you in the flesh shall so come unto you in the spirit and ye shall see him as was said before Joh. 14.19 that is after a little while they should see him Joh.
Salvation of Life and Love in that Letter though few finde it or the way to it as Christ tells them Again said the good Man this is another part of the Gospel As many as received him John 1.12 to them he gave power to become the sons of God even to those that believed in his name For so 't is written in the Gospel of Saint John saith he as if all were Gosple which is written in the Evangelists whereas Christ was a Minister of the Circumcision Rom. 15.8 or legal Teacher Secondly the Gosple that he taught was but in part that which was proper onely to the Jewish Church Mat. 15.24 not that to be preached to the world Thirdly what Gospel or glad tydings is it to tell the world that none should be saved but the Elect and Believers whereas Christ came to save onely the lost giving a word of life to all men Act. 13.48 47 that they might believe or shutting up all in unbeliefe that he might have mercy upon all Rom. 11.32 But the Man thought there was no Gospel but what is written in the Gospel of Matthew Mark Luke and John These men you must know are Ministers of the Gospel these are the Itinerants in Wales who know no further of the Gospel then that or what is written in the Epistles whereas these were not that Gospel which the Apostles preached to the world but proper to the Churches onely to whom those Letters were written Again Christ as I said before being a Minister of the Circumcised or legal Teacher taught the Gospel as 't was also under the Law darkly in types and figures in parables and precepts Mat. 13.35 John 16.25 Again 't was his design then to do so to the Jewish Church to confound them the more Mat. 13.13 14 15. to blind them and harden them that they might not hear any thing but for their owne destruction as I am perswaded the mystery of Christ and of the Gospel is for this cause a sealed book this day to all the Preachers and Pastors of Churches that they might be blinded and stumble and fall together Thirdly as the rejecting of the Jewish Church was a way for the receiving and call of the Nations so the fall of the Churches this day is for the rising of the world Isa 2.3 ● Rev. 14.6 8. to the knowledge of the everlasting Gospel which God alone and not man shall teach that is the Ministry of the Spirit which shortly shall come forth with power and glory in the weakest Saints to raise up the former desolations made by the abomination or Apostacy and to restore the waste Cities or Apostate Churches yea the desolations of many generations Isa 61.3 Rev. 22.17 4. But to turn to our Welsh Teacher before mentioned the man it seems afterward bethought himself and was ashamed of what he said and therefore followed me to my Inn desiring to be friends with me which I ever was and am stil to him and to all men also But see how unconstant and unquiet the poor creature was for because he had then with his Clamors confounded the Auditory and to his power made that which I had spoken in publick to be of no effect or forgoten I promised to speak once more to my honest Country-men there in that place a fortnight after when he coming there again stept up before me to preach in Welsh whom yet I quietly heard all the time till he had ended his Sermon not contradicting him at all though I could in many things and in most Afterward I began to speak to the English for many of the Welsh understood declaring something concerning the glorious appearance of the great God in the last dayes that he would so appear in man that men should be made like him that God would be both a Heaven and a Hell to men that most men should be in a Hell upon earth as that some should have a Heaven here I mean the inhabitants of the new Jerusalem the onely thing I was alwaies upon to my dear Country I also spake of Gods coming forth as Fire in the last times c. but had no sooner finished my discourse but the Gentleman starts up again and begins to contradict and withstand my words the second time to the trouble and tumult of the company who being strange to such open affronts and publique contests in the Church began to forget what they heard before and to rise up on their seats as if they were to see a shew Upon this without answering a word I went out of the place in silence leaving the man to speak what he pleas'd to the people but as I was going out of the Church he turning about and crying after me I answered no more but this word unto him Mr. Davys you will be shortly in the Fire for the fire was that I then had spoken of and so I departed in peace But as I said before let all men judge from that aforesaid whether such men are fit to be Ministers of the Gospel who think the Gospel to be that which is written in the four Evangelists or in the Apostles Epistles whereas the one is but an Historical relation or report of Christ in his life and death c. The Epistles are only particular Letters of some special concernment to the Churches not that which the Apostles preached to the world and as Christ was a Minister of the Circumcision in the days of his flesh while he was alive on earth so Christ never preached the Gospel indeed Eph. 2.17 till after he was dead then he came forth in the Spirit preaching peace c. in the Apostles And the Gospel which the Apostles preached to the world 't was not that which they wrote to the Churches nor yet what they read in the Scriptures of the Prophets for to what purpose was this to the Heathens to tell them of Moses and the Psalmes But the Gospel was a Mystery which in the light of God they could manifest to men and make all men see themselves in God that 's in Christ Yet most of the Independent and Baptized preachers of the Gospel know no farther of the Mystery then what is written in the letter of Scripture especially in the Evangelists or Epistles whence they can onely take their Gospel-texts Indeed Christ being a Minister of the Circumcision and preaching the Gospel in part as I said in a legal manner took a text of Scripture out of the Prophets as the Apostles also preaching to the Jewes made use of the Scripture to them Luk. 4.16 Act. 13.27 Act. 15.21 compare But preaching the Gospel to the world they neither mentioned Scripture nor spake from a text Act. 14.17 Act. 17.27 21. for what was Moses and David and the Prophets to those who never heard of such men nor owned their writings though indeed indited by the Spirit of God 2 Pet. 1.21 which Spirit moved those who spake