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A56660 A friendly debate betwixt two neighbours, the one a conformist, the other a non-conformist about several weighty matters / published for the benefit of this city, by a lover of it, and of pure religion.; Friendly debate between a conformist and a non-conformist Patrick, Simon, 1626-1707.; Wild, Robert, 1609-1679. 1668 (1668) Wing P798; ESTC R41393 117,976 250

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