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A29194 The consecration and succession, of Protestant bishops justified, the Bishop of Duresme vindicated, and that infamous fable of the ordination at the Nagges head clearly confuted by John Bramhall ... Bramhall, John, 1594-1663. 1658 (1658) Wing B4216; ESTC R24144 93,004 246

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Essentiall matter of Ordination and these words Receive the Holy Ghost as the form of Ordination but your Nagge 's head Ordination is a mere Phantasm without matter or Forme our Statutes allow no such fanaticall and Phantasticall Formes as your Form of the Nagge 's head And so your Consequence Consequently that of the Nagge 's head might passe is foundered of all four and can neither passe nor repasse unlesse you can rase these words by virtue of the Queens Letters Patents out of the Statute and insert these without the Queens Letters Patents and likewise rase these words out of the Commission according to the Form and effect of the Statutes and insert these contrary to the Form and effect of the Statutes A single Falsification will doe your cause no good Two poisons may perchance help it at a dead lift It is in vain to tell us that Mr Mason see this over clear to be denied who know better that Mr. Mason did not onely deny it over and over again but sqeesed the poore Fable to durt I have shewed you particularly what was the end of the Queens Dispensations the same which is the end of Papall Dispensations to meet with latent objections or cavills I have shewed you what that Cavill was which needed no Dispensation in point of Law but onely to stop the mouths of Gainsaiers But where you adde that the Queens Dispensation was given not in conditionall but in very absolute Termes You are absolutely mistaken The Queens dispensation was both in Generall Termes which determin nothing not like the Popes Dispensations A quibusvis excommunicationis suspensionis interdicti sententiis and also in these conditionall Terms si quid c. desit aut deerit eorum quae per Statuta hujus regni nostri aut per leges Ecclesiasticas in hac parte requiruntur If any thing is or shall be wanting which are required by the Lawes Civill or Ecclesiasticall of this Kingdome You see it is conditionall and hath reference onely to the Lawes of England They goe on the truth is all the world laughed at the Nagge 's head Consecration and held it to be invalid not so much for being performed in a Tavern as for the new form invented by Scory If all the world did laugh at it in those dayes they laughed in their sleeves where no body could see them laugh It had been too much to laugh at a jeast before it was made nay before it was devised The Reader may well wonder how all the world came to get notice of it so early as the beginning of Queen Elizabeths reign and we onely in England should heare nothing of it for above 40 yeares after but assoone as we did heare of it we laught at it as well as they and held it as invalid as they could doe for their hearts but they laught at it as Bishop Scoryes Invention and we laught at it as theirs CAP. VII Of Bishop Bonner the Reordination of our Clergy the quality of their witnesses Mr. Fitzherberts suspicions the testimony of their Doctors and the Publishing of our Register before Mr. Mason Their next instance is in Bishop Bonners case who was indited by Mr. Horn one of the First Protestant Bishops consecrated by Mr. Parker or together with him for refusing to take the Oath of Supremacy The first errour might be pardoned as being onely a mistake in a word to say that Bishop Bonner was indited by Mr. Horn where as he was onely signified by Bishop Horn but the second mistake is fatall that after all this confidence and this great Notoreity of the Nagge 's head Ordination to all the world these Fathers themselves are still uncertain whether Bishop Horn were consecrated by Archbishop Parker or at the same time with him that is as much as to say they know not certainly what was done at the Nagge 's head but they wish that if the Confirmation dinner were not a Consecration it had been one It could never end better for Mr. Neale to feign an Ordination without an Actuary to record what was done Bishop Wa●son and Mr. Bluet and the rest were much to blame that since he had the fortune to weare Gyges his ring and walk invisible they did not cause him to play the publick Notary himself and draw that which was done there into Acts then we might have known as certainly as he could tell us whether Dr Parker had been consecrated there by his Proctor Dr Bullsngham It may be some very credulous Reader who like the old Lamiae could take out his eyes and put them in again when he pleased would have given more credit to Mr Neales pleasant Fable then to the publick Rolles and Registers of the Kingdome I have handled Bishop Bonners case before and th●se Fathers themselves have unwittingly given sentence in it against him That King Edwards Forme of Ordination was reestablished by Act of Parliamant in the first yeare of Queen Elisabeth But finall sentence there was never any given untill the Parliament gave a finall sentence in it That Bishop Horn and all the rest were legall Bishops To admit a Plea to be tryed by a Iury and the veredict of the Iury are two very distinct things They tell us he was a man specially shot at Rather he was a man graciously preserved by the Queens mercy from the rage of the Common people against him If they had shot at him they could have found waies enough to have tendered the Oath of Supremacy to him without Bishop Horn. I professe I am no great Patron of such Oaths men have more dominion over their actions then over their judgements Yet there is lesse to be said for Bishop Bonner then for other men He who had so great a hand in framing the Oath He who had taken it himself both in King Henryes time and King Edwards time and made so many others to take it He who had been so great a stickler in Rome for the Kings Supremacy who writ that Preface before Bishop Gardiners booke de vera Obedientia if he had suffered by the Oath of Supremacy he had but been scourged with a rod of his own making Their next reason to prove the Nullity of our Holy Orders is taken from the constant Practice of the Romane Catholicks to Reordein Protestant Ministers not conditionally but absolutely which they call an evident Argument of our mere Laity A doughty Argument indeed drawn from their own Authority Can any man doubt that that they which make no scruple of taking away our lifes will make conscience of taking away our Orders This is that which we accuse them of and they doe fairly begge the Question If Reordination be Sacrilege as they say it is we are ready to convince them of grosse Sacrilege or iterating all the Essentialls of Ordination the same matter and the same Form that is for Episcopacy the same Imposition of Hands by three Bishops and the same words Receive the Holy Ghost c.
to the upper house a certeine booke proving that the Protestant Bishops had no succession or consecration and therefore were no Bishops and by consequence had no right to sitte in Parliament Hereupon Doctor Morton pretended Bishop of Durrham who is yet alive made a speech against this booke in his owne and all the Bishops behalfe then present He endeavoured to prove succession from the last Catholick Bishops who said he by imposition of hands ordeined the first Protestant Bishops at the Nagge 's head in Cheap syde as vvas Notorious to all the vvorld Therefore the afore said booke ought to be looked upon as a groundless libell This vvas told to many by one of the ancientest Peeres of England praesent in Parliament vvhen Morton made his speech And thesame he is ready to depose upon his oath Nay he cannot believe that any vvill be so impudent as to denie a thing so notorious vvhereof there are as many vvitnesses living as there are Lords and Bishops that vvere that day in the upper house of Parliament Here are three passages One concerning a booke presented to the upper house against the successiō of English Bishops by some presbiterian Lords The second concerning the pretended refutation of this booke by the Bishop of Duresme The third the proofe of both these allegations by the Testimony of an Ancient Peere of England First for the booke It is most true there was a booke written about that time by a single Lord against Episcopacy and dedicated to the members of both houses of Parliament No wonder How often have the Parliaments in the reignes of Queene Elisabeth and King Iames bene troubled with such Requests and Representations It is no strange thing that a weake eie should be offended with the light of the sun We may justly ascribe the reviving of the Aerian heresy in these later daies to the Dispensations of the Courte of Rome who licensed ordinary Priests to ordeine and confirme and do the most essentiall offices of Bishops So their Scholes do teach us A Preest may be the ex●raordinary Minister of Priesthood and inferiour orders by the delegation of the Pope Againe The Pope may conferre the power of confirmation upon a simple Priest By such exorbitant practises as these they chalked ou● the way to ●nnovators And yet they are not able to produce one president of such a dispensation throughout the primitive times A good Christian ought to regarde more what the whole Christian world in all ages hath practised then what a few conceited persons in this last age have fancied Among all the Easterne Southern and Northerne Christians who make innumerable multitudes there neither is nor ever was one formed Church that wanted Bishops Yet these are as farre from submitting to the exorbitant power of the Roman Bishop as we Among all the westerne Churches and their Colonies there never was one formed Church for 1500. yeares that wanted Bishops If there be any persons so farre possessed with prejudice that they chuse rather to follow the private dictates of their owne phrensy then the perpetuall and universall practise of the Catholick Church enter not into their secrets o my soule Thus farre we agree but in all the rest of the circumstances though they be not much materiall the Fathers do pittifully mistake themselves and vary much from the Testimony of their witness and much more from the truth First the Authour of this booke was no presbyterian Lord much less a company or caball of Presbiterian Lords in the plurall but my Lord Brookes one that had as little favour for Presbytery as for Episcopacy Secondly the booke was not praesented to the upper house It might be brought into the house privately yet not be praesented to the house publickly If it had bene publickly praesented the Clerkes of the Parliament or some of them must needes have known of it and made an Act of it but they know no such thing The Lords Spirituall and Temporall could not all have Forgotten it but they remember no such thing as by their respective certificates praesently shall appeare Thirdly as the Authour is mistaken and praesentation mistaken So the subject likewise is mistaken Sit liber Iudex let the booke speake for it self Thus an able freind certifieth me I have got my Lord Brookes booke which he wrote against the Bishops with much labour and perused it with no less Patience And there is not in it the least shadow of any Argument that the Bishops ought not to sitte in Parliament because they had no succession or consecration What did my Lord Brookes regard succession or Consecration or holy orders who had a Coachman to be his preacher The less Canonicall the ordination had bene the more he would have applauded it Time and place and forme and all were agreeable to that Christian liberty which he dreamed of it was not wante of consecration but consecration it self which he excepted against as all men knew who knew him And in this quarrell he lost his life after a most remarkable and allmost miraculous manner at the siege of Lichfield Church upon St. Ceaddas anniversary day who was the founder of that Church and Bishop of it I know the Fathers will be troubled much that this which they have published to the view of the world concerning the Bishop of Durrham as a truth so evident which no man can have the impudence to denie should be denied yea denied positively and throughout denied not onely by the Bishop of Durrham himself but by all the Lords spirituall and Temporall that can be met with Denied by some Lords of their owne communion who understand them selves as well as any among them though their names are not subscribed to the certificate Denied by the Clerkes of the Parliament whose office it is to keepe a diary of all the speeches made in the house of the Peeres For Proofe hereof First I produce the Protestation of the Bishop of Duresme him self attested by witnesses in the Praesence of a publick Notary Take it in his owne words VVhereas I am most injuriously and slanderously traduced by a nameles Authour calling himself N. N. in a booke said to be printed at Rouen 1657. intituled a treatise of the nature of Catholick faith and haeresy as if upon the praesenting of a certein booke to the upper house in the beginning of the late Parliament prouing as he saith the protestant Bishops had no succession nor consecration and therefore were no Bishops and by consequence ought not to sit in Parliament I should make a speech against the said booke in my owne and all the Bishops behalfs endevouring to prove succession from the last Catholick Bishops as he there stiles them who by imposition of hands ordeined the first protestant Bishops at the nagges head in cheapsyde as was notorious to all the world c. I do hereby in the praesence of Almighty God solemnely protest and declare to all the world that what this Authour there affirmes
our said Reverend brother or any other much lesse approve of it by our silence And if any such booke had bene presented or any such speech had bene made there is none among us so ignorant or negligent of his duty in defending the truth but vvould have bene both able and ready to have confuted so groundlesse a fable as the pretēded consecration of Bishops at the Nagge 's head out of the Authentick and knovvne registers of the Church still extant mentioned and faithfully trāscribed and published by Mr. Mason so long before For the confirmation of which truth and attestation of what our said Reverend Brother hath herewith Protested and declared we have hereunto set our hands Dated the 19th day of Iuly Anno Domini 1658. LONDON M. ELI BR SARUM BATH WELLS JO. ROFFENS OXFORD If all these proofes seeme not satisfactory to the Fathers they shall have more Let them take the Testimony of the Principall Peeres now living who sate then in Parliament VVe of the Lords temporall whose names are here under written who sate in the Parliament begun at Westminster the third day of November 1640 being desired by the Bishop of Duresme to testify our knowledge concerning an imputation cast upon him about a speech pretended to be made by him in that Parliament more particularly mentioned and disavowed in his prefixed Protestation Doe hereby testify and Declare that to the best of our present knowledge and remembrance no such booke against Bishops as is there mentioned was presented to the house of Peeres in that Parliament And consequently that no such speech as is there pretended was or could be made by him or ony other against it In testimony whereof we have signed this our attestation with our owne hands Dated the nineteenth day of Iuly Anno Domini 1658. DORCHESTER RVTLAND LINCOLNE CLEVELAND DOVER LINDSEY SOVTHAMTON DEVONSHIRE MONMOVTH To this proofe nothing remaineth that can be added but onely the testimony of the Clerke of the Parliament who after a diligent search made in the booke of the Lords house hath with his owne hand written this short Certificate in the margent of one of your bookes pag. 9. over against your relation Vpon search made in the booke of the Lords house I do not find any such booke presented nor any entery of any such speech made by Bishop Morton HENRY SCOBEL CLERK Of the Parliament And now methinkes I heare the Fathers blaming of their owne credulity and rashnesse and over much confidence They had forgotten Epictetus his rule Remember to distrust I judge them by my self Homo sum humani a me nihil alienum pu●o One circumstance being either latent or mistaken may change the whole drift and scope of a relation But though we would be contented to lend a skirt of our coate to cover the fault of them who calumniate our Church yet this relation can never be excused in any man from a most grievous mistake where both the person and the whole scope of his discourse is altogether mistaken This is almost as great a mistake as the Nagge 's head Ordination it self where a confirmation dinner was mistaken for a solemne consecration But those who cherish such mistakes for advantage and deck them up with new matter and publish them to the world for undoubted truths can not be excused from formall calumnie The last thing to be considered in this first part of this discourse being the vindication of the Reverend Bishop of Duresme is concerning the witnesse whom as the Fathers do forbeare to name so shall I. Of whom they say foure things ● that he is one of the Ancientest Peeres of England that he was present in Parliament when Morton made this speech that he will take his Oath of the truth of it and that he can not believe that any will be so impudent to denie it We have no dispute concerning the antiquity of Peerage Let that passe but I am confidēt whatsoever his present judgement had been either of the speaker or of the speech your witness would have abstained from uncivill language as to stile the Reverend Bishop of Duresme a pretended Bishop and plaine Morton without either welt or garde He would not have forgotten all his degrees both in the Church and in the Scholes He will not charge all them with downe right Impudence who tell him that he was doubly mistaken Nor call that no●orious to all the world which he himself acknowledgeth that he never heard of before in his life He is not guilty of those inferences and eo nomine● which you have added I do not beleeve that he doth or ever did know the Bishop of Duresme so well as to sweare this is the man Nor doth take himself to be so exact an Analyser of a discourse as to be able to take his Oath what was the true scope of it pro or contra especially whē some thing is started that doth quite divert his attention as the sound of the market bell did the Philosophers Auditours This is my Charity And my ground for it is this When I had once conference with him about this relation he told me the name of the Naggeshead did surprise him and he betooke himself to inquire of another what it meant And when I urged to him that it was incredible that any Protestant Bishop should make such a speech unlesse he used it onely by way of Supposition as argumentum ad hominem a reason fitte for my Lord Brookes that such a Consecration as that was agreed well enough with his principles He told me he knew not that the Bishop might answer so for himself To conclude I have heard the Bishop of Lincolne did once mention the Fable of the Nagge 's head in a speech in Parliament but with as much Detestation of it as our Ancestours used to name the Devill Why might not the mistake both of the person and of the drift or scope of his speech be the occasion of this relation I had rather out of charity run into two such right handed errours then condemne a Noble Gentleman of whose ingenuity I never had any reason to doubt of a malicious lie Take it at the very best the mistake is great enough to mistake both the person of the speaker and the scope of his speech I hope they will all do that which in Conscience they are obliged to do that is acquitte the Bishop of Duresme and crave his pardon for their mistake If they do not the world will acquitte him and condemne them But the greatest mistake of all others was to publish such a notorious untruth to the world so temerariously without better advise CHAP. III. Three reasons against the Nagges head Consecration 1. from the Contradictions of the Relaters 2. from the latenesse of the Discovery 3. from the Strictnesse of our lavves NOw having beaten Downe the Pillar about their eares which they had set up to underproppe their Nagge 's head Ordination it remaineth next
to the contrary in any wise not withstanding That the booke of Ordination was a part of this booke and printed in this booke in King Edwards daies besides the expresse testimony of the Statute in the eighth of Queene Elisabeth we have the authority of the Canons of the Church of England which call it singularly the booke of Common Praier and of Ordering Bishops Priests and Deacons It is our forme of praier upon that occasion as much as our forme of baptising or administring the holy Eucharist or our forme of confirming or marryng or visiting the sick Secondly it is also a part of our forme of Administration of the Sacraments We denie not Ordination to be a Sacrament though it be not one of those two Sacraments which are generally necessary to salvation Thirdly although it were supposed that Ordination were no Sacrament nor the booke of Ordination a part of the booke of Common praier yet no man can denie that it is a part of our Ecclesiasticall rites and ceremonies and under that notion sufficiently authorised Lastly Ejus est legem imerpretari cujus est condere They who have legislative power to make a law have legislative power to expound a law Queene Elisabeth and her Parliament made the law Queene Elisabeth and her Parliament expounded the law by the same authority that made it declaring that under the booke of Common Praier the forme of Ordination was comprehended and ought to be understood And so ended the grand cavill of Bishop Bonner and Doctor Sapleton and the rest of the illegality of our Ordination shewing nothing but this how apt a drowning cause is to catch hold of every reed That the Supplentes or this dispensative clause had Relation to this cavill which as it did breake out afterwards into an open controversy so it was then whispered in corners is very evident by one clause in the Statute that for the avoiding of all questions and ambiguities that might he objected against the lawfull Confirmations investing and Consecrations of any Arch-Bishops Bishops c. the Queene in her Letters Patents had not onely used such words as had bene accustomed to be used by King Henry and King Edward but also diverse other generall wordes whereby her Highness by her Supreme power and authority hath dispensed with all causes and doubts of any imperfection or disability that could be objected The end of this clause and that Statute was the same And this was the onely question or ambiguity which was moved Yet although the case was so evident and was so judged by the Parliament that the forme of Consecration was comprehended under the name and notion of the booke of Common praier c yet in the indictment against Bishop Bonner I do commend the discretion of our Iudges and much more the moderation of the Parliament Criminall lawes should be written with a beame of the sun without all ambiguity Lastly before I leave this third consideration I desire the Reader to observe three things with me First that this dispensative neither hath nor can be construed to have any reference to any Consecration that was already past or that was acted by Bishop Scory alone as that silly Consecration at the Nagge 's head is supposed to have been Secondly that this dispensative clause doth not extend at all to the institution of Christ or any essentiall of Ordination nor to the Canons of the universall Church but onely to the Statutes and Ecclesiasticall lawes of England Si quid desit aut deerit eorum quae per Statuta hujus Regni nostri aut per leges Ecclesiasticas requiruntur Thirdly that the Commissioners authorised by these Letters Parēts to cōfirme and consecrate Arch Bishop Parker did make use of this Supplentes or dispensative power in the Confirmation of the Election which is a politicall Act as by the words of the Confirmation in the next paragraph shall appeare but not in the Consecration which is a purely spirituall act and belongeth meerely to the Key of Order Fourthly we say that by virtue of these Letters Patents of December the sixth foure of the Commissioners therein named did meete in Bowes Church upon the ninth day of the same moneth and then and there with the advise of the chiefe Ecclesiasticall Lawiers of the Kingdome the Deane of the Arches the Iudges of the Prerogative and Audience did solemnely confirme the election This is proved by the Recorde of the Confirmation or definitive sentence it self in these words In Dei nomine Amen Nos Willelmus quondam Bathonienfis VVellensis Episcopus nunc Cicestrensis Electus Iohannes Scory quondam Cicestrensis Episcopus nunc Electus Herefordensis Milo Coverdale quondam Exoniensis Episcopus Iohannes Bedford Episcopus Suffraganeus Mediantibus literis Commissionalibus Illustrissimae Reginae fidei Defensatricis c. Commissionarij cum hac clausula videlicet unae cum Iohanne The●fordensi Suffraganeo Iohanne Bale Ossoriensi Episcopo Et etiam cum hac clausula Quatenus vos aut ad minus quatuor vestrum Nec non hac adjectione Supplentes nihil ominus c. specialiter legitime Deputati c. Idcirco nos Commissionarii Regii antedicti de cum assensic Iurisperitorum cum quibus in hac parte communicavimus praedictam Electionē Suprema Authoritate dictae Dominae nostrae Reginae nobis in hac parte Commissa Confirmamus Supplētes ex Suprema Authoritate Regia ex mero principis motu certa Scientia nobis delegata quicquid in hac electione fuerit defectum Tum in his quae juxta mandatum nobis creditum a nobis factum processum est aut in nobis aut aliquo nostrum conditione Statu facultate ad haec perficienda deest aut deerit Tum etiam eorum quae per statuta hujus Regni Angliae aut per leges Ecelesiasticas in hac parte requisita sunt aut necessaria prout temporis ratio rerum praesentium necessitas id postulant per hanc nostram sententiam definitivam sive hoc nostrum finale decretum c. I cite this the more largely that our Adversaries may see what use was made of the dispensation whieh they cavill so much against But in the Consecration which is an act of the Key of order they made no use at all of it This is likewise clearly proved by the Queenes mandate for the restitution of Arch Bishop Parker to his Temporalties wherein there is this clause Cui quidem electioni personae sic Electae Regium assensum nostrum adhibuimus favorem ipsiusque fidelitatem nobis debitam pro dicto Archi-Episcopatu recepimus Fifthly we say that eight daies after the Confirmation that is to say the 17. of December Anno 1559 the same Commissioners did proceed to the Consecration of Arch Bishop Parker in the Archi-Episcopall Chappell at Lambeth according to the forme prescribed by the Church of England with solemne Praiers and Sermon and the holy Eucharist at which
Some were of the same mind with these Fathers in Queen Maries time but Paul the 4. and Cardinall Poole were wiser who confirmed all Ordinations in Edward the sixths time indifferently so the Persons professed but their Conformity to the Roman Religion How doth this consist with your pretended Nullity They say Our Records were produced by Mr Mason in the yeares 1613 fifty yeare● after they ought to have been shewed They forget that they were published in Print in Arch Bishop Parkers lifetime that they were justified by the Parliament 8. Elisabethae that all of them goe hand in hand with our Civill Records He saith it cannot be testified by any lawfull witnesses produced by us that they were 〈◊〉 forged This is their Method first to ●ccuse us of Forgery and then to put us to prove a Negative where learnt he this Form of proceding By all Lawes of God and man the Accuser is to make good his Accusation yet we have given him witnesses beyond exception They say there can not be a more evident mark of Forgery then the concealment of Registers if they 〈◊〉 usefull and necessary to the persons in whose Custody they are The proofe lieth on the other hand Tell us how they were concealed which were published to the world in Print by a whole Parliament by private persons and were evermore left in a Publick Office where all the world might view them from time to time who had either occasion or desire to doe it That our Adversaries did insult and Triumph over us is but un empty flourish without truth or reality as we shall see presently They say it is not worth refuting which some modern Protestants say ye have no witnesses of the story of the Nagge 's head c. but Roman Catholicks we value not their Testimony because they are known Adversaries This answer they term Ridiculous and paralell it with the answer of an Officer in Ireland You will not find this answer so ridiculous upon more serious consideration Protestants know that some Exceptions in Law do destroy all Credit and some other Exceptions do onely diminish credit An Adversaries Testimony may be admitted in some cases but it is subject to exception and makes no full proofe especially in cases favourable in the Law as the case of persons spoiled which is your Irish case such witnesses may be admitted an●e omnia spoliatus restitui debet but then they ought to make up in number what they want in weight But you mistake wholy our answer is not that you produce no witnesses for the story of the Nagge 's head but Roman Catholick● Our answer is that you produce no witnesses at all neither Roman Catholicks nor others For first one witnesse is no witnesse in Law Let him be beyond exception duely sworn and examined yet his Testimony makes but semiplenam probationem half a proofe especially in Criminall causes such as this is it is nothing One witnesse shall not rise up against a man for any Iniquity or any sinne At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses shall the matter be stablished Which law is confirmed by our Saviour They were never yet able to pretend any eye witnesse by name but Mr. Neale or some body that had no name because he had no being in the nature of things all the rest had it from Mr. Neales single Testimony because they cannot testify what was done but what Mr. Neale said Secondly Mr. Neale testifieth nothing as a single witnesse ought to testify He was never sworn to speake the truth he never testified it before a publick Notary he was never examined before a competent Iudge 〈◊〉 was never produced before the face of a Protestant Is this the manner of the Romans now a daies to condemne whole Churches upon the ver●all Testimony of a single witnesse before ●e be brought face to face with those whom ●e accuseth and such a Testimony which 〈◊〉 clogged with so many improbabilities ●nd incongruities and incoherences 〈◊〉 no rationall impartiall man 〈◊〉 trust one syllable of it whereas in such a case as this against the third Estate of the Kingdome against the Records Civill and Ecclesiasticall against the testimony of a Parliament an hundred witnesses ought not to be admitted We regard not Mr. Fitzherberts suspicions at all What are the suspicions of a private stranger to the well known credit of a publick Register His suspicions can weigh no more then his reasons that is just nothing He saith this exception is no new quarrell but vehemently urged to the English Clergy in the beginning of the Queens reign 〈◊〉 shew how and by whom they were made Priests Bishops c You have said enough to confute yourselves but you touch not us If they had known that they were consecrated at the Nagge 's head as well as you would seem to know it they needed not to urge it so vehemently to shew how and by whom they were ordeined they would have done that for them readily enough unlesse perhaps you thinke that they concealed the Nagges head Ordination out o● favour to the Protestants But I see you are mistaken in this as in all other things There was an old objection indeed that ou● Consecraters were not Roman Catholiks and that our Consecration was not Ri●● Romano or that we were not Ordeined by Papall Authority but the Nagge 's head Ordination is a new question What might be whispered underhand in the eares of credulous persons of your own party in Corners we do not know but for all your contrary intimations none of all your Writers did dare to put any such thing in print for above fourty yeares after Arch Bishop Parkers Consecration If silent Witnesses in such circumstances prove more then others as you affirm then all your writers are our witnesses But none of all your Doctors did ever urge any such thing as required that we should cite the Registers in prudence as by a cleare answer to all your Testimonies shall appeare The water did not stop there in those dayes yet even in Arch Bishop Parkers life time the Consecration of our Bishops was published to the world in Print either shew us as much for your Nagge 's head Ordination or hold your peace for ever Bishop Andrews the learned Bishop of Winchesters absurdities falsities and lies are easily talked of men may talke of black Swans but he who hath laid your greatest Champions in the dust requires another manner of Discoverer then Mr. Fitzherbert But these Fathers are resolved to confute themselves without the help of an Adversary They tell us that no mention was ever made of Registers testifying Parkers Consecration at Lambeth untill Mr. Mason printed his booke This is not true they were mentioned by the Parliament mentioned in Print I think before Mr. Mason was born What though Lambeth were not mentioned if the Legality of his Consecration were mentioned This is enough to answer your Objection this is
enough to confute your Romance of the Nagge 's head Yet thus much you yourselves confesse in the same Paragraph that in a booke printed in the yeare 1605 that is eight yeares before the yeare 1613 wherein you say that Mr Mason printed his booke called Antiquitates Britanniae there is a Register of the Protestant Bishops of England Thē there was a Register of the Consecration of Protestant Bishops extant before Mr. Mason did write of that subject You say that Register doth not mention any certain place or Form of their Consecration It was not needfull the Law prescribeth the Form and the place was indifferent so it were a consecrated place which the Law doth likewise prescribe But you tell us further that thi● Register was forged or foisted in and that your learned but namelesse Friend see the old Manuscript of that booke wherein there is no mention of any such Register which you tell us in your Friends words that all the world may see how this Register was forged Why are all the world bound to believe your Friend How should we give credit to a man who tells us three notorious untruths in foure lines First that it is pretended that Archbishop Parker was made a Bishop by Barlow Scory and three others by virtue of a Commission from Queen Elisabeth he was made a Bishop by Barlow Scory and two others Secondly that this work was acted on the 17. day of September An 1559 which was acted on the 17. Day of December 1559. Thirdly that we had no form then or Order to doe such a businesse whereas you yourselves confesse that Edward the sixths rite of Ordination was reestablished in the First yeare of Queen Elisabeth and Archbishop Parkers Ordination was in the second of Queen Elisabeth He who stumbles so thick and three fold may erre in his viewing the Manuscript as well as the rest But to gratify you suppose it was foisted in what good will that doe you It must of necessity be foisted in before it was printed it could not be foisted in after it was printed And it must be foisted in by a Protestant for no Roman Catholick would foist it in So still you see a Register of Protestant Bishops was published to the world in print eyght yeares before Mr. Mason published his booke Your Friend saith that this printed Booke of Parkers Antiquitates Britanniae is the first that mentioneth any such pretended Consecration of him and the rest So it might be well when it was first printed that was not in the yeare 1605 but in Arch-Bishop Parkers life time three yeares before his death An. 1570. So much you might have learned from the very Title-page of the Booke printed at Hannovv Historia antehac non nisi semel nimirum Londini in Aedibus Iohannis Day anno 1572. excusa That this History vvas printed formerly at London in the house of Iohn Day in the yeare 1572. This doth utterly destroy the Credit of your Friends Relation that he had viewed the Manuscript of that Booke There needed no Manuscript where they had a Printed booke for their Copy as the Title-page telleth us they had and that printed above sixty yeares before your Friend writ it is probable before his Birth If there be any thing of foisting in the case there is rather something foisted out of the former Edition then foisted in namely Archbishop Parkers Life untill that time with the particular Consecrations of our first Bishops which were in the London Edition and are omitted in this Edition of Hannow This is cleare enough by the very Title An History of 70. Archbishops and there are in this Edition but 69. Archbishops because the Life of Archbishop Parker is wanting which neverthelesse is promised in the Life of Archbishop Warham pag. 312. ut in Matthaei Parker Cantuariensis Archiepiscopi vi●a inferius di●emus As we shall say hereaf●er in the Life of Mathew Parker Archbishop of Canterbury You see how infortunate you are in accusing others of Forgery Your Authour proceedeth Any man reading the printed Booke will manifestly see it is a meerly foisted and inserted thing having no connexion correspondence or affinity either vvith that which goeth before or followeth it Say you so There was never any thing more fitly inserted The Author undertaketh to write the Life 's of 70. succeeding Archbishops of Canterbury from Austin to Matthew Parker and having premitted some generall Observations concerning the Antiquity of Christian Religion in Britany with the names of some Arch-Bishops of London and the Originall and Changes of Episcopall Sees in England and some other Generalities concerning the Privileges of the See of Canterbury and the Conversion of Kent Iust before he enter upon the Life of St. Austin the first Archbishop he presenteth the Reader with a summary View of the Archbishoprick of Canterbury at that time when the booke was first printed in the yeare 1572 with the names of all the Bishops of the Province at that time their Countries their Armes both of their Sees and of their Families their respective Ages their Vniversities their Degrees in Schooles with the times of their severall Consecrations if they were ordeined Bishops or Confirmations if they were translated from another See It is hardly possible for the wit of man to contriue more matter into a lesser Roome Then he settes downe a like Table for the Province of Yorke and lastly an Alphabeticall Catalogue of the Bishops whose Lifes were described in this booke and among the rest Archbishop Parker whose Life if you call it foisting is foisted out of this Hannow Edition If this hath no connexion or affinity with that which goeth before and followeth after I know not what Connexion or Affinity is Your Friends last Exception against the Authority of that booke called Antiquitates Britanniae is that it conteineth more things done after Matthew Parker had written that Booke So you confesse that Archbishop Parker himself about whom all our controversy is was the Author of that booke wherein I agree with you The conclusion of the Preface and many other reasons invite me to doe so Surely this Author meant that there is something conteined in this Register which is not within the Compasse of the following Lifes in the Hannow Edition that may well be because Matthew Parkers life is foisted out in this Edition but there is nothing which was not in the London Edition much more largely then it is in this Register especially for the Confirmations and Consecrations of our Protestant Bishops there is nothing after the time when this Register was made which is prefixed in the Frontispice of it in the Hannow Edition with M P for Matthew Parker Matthew Parker died May the 27 Anno 1575 he printed his booke at London three yeares before his death without the Authours name in the yeare 1572. I appeale to the ingenuous Reader let him be of what Communion he will or never so full of prejudice whether it be credible