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A65859 The contentious apostate and his blow refelled [sic] in a brief narrative of the unchristian deportment, opposition, and disturbance made by Francis Bugg, backslider, Isaac Archer, priest or vicar, Samuel Knowles, late curate, at a publick meeting of the people called Quakers held at Milden-Hall in Suffolk the 30th day of the 2d month commonly called April 1691, and in a short answer to F.B. his defaming pamphlet falsely stiled One blow more at new Rome / by G.W. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1691 (1691) Wing W1920; ESTC R27591 23,566 33

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see by this what you would be at you would be at even the old work of Persecution again if there were not some Restraint upon you by Law seeing you take this Advantage of an Omission of a Circumstance in Law thus to Disturb us and put a force upon us pray be so Civil as to let our Meeting be quiet till we have ended Priest Mr. Bugg I would have us with-draw and let them enjoy their Meeting peaceably let us not take the Advantage of the Law against them F. B. I will not suffer them G. VV. shall not Preach here he is a Deceiver now I have him here I will have him answer whether he owns these Books and he shall take the Test too he is Disaffected to the Government G. W. See what a Convert thou hast got of F. B. that thus contradicts his Teacher we are not come hither for Contention nor am I willing now to answer thee F. B. nor to detain the Meeting about thy Brauling or Clamorous Reviling c. I am willing to meet thee and answer thee at any convenient place when our Meeting is over and before any Judicious persons pray let us enjoy our Meeting quietly F. B. Thou art for evading and going into Holes and Corners but I am glad I have got thee here dost thou own this Book and this Book c. holding them in his Hands G. W. I am not willing to answer thee at this present I have something to say to the People and began to Declare but interrupted still F. B. I will not suffer you to Preach here Constable Constable where is your Warrant do your Office take G. VV. away or I 'll Complain of you Constable Pray look upon this Warrant But the Constable appeared wiser than F. B. and not so busie G. W. Pray let us enjoy our Meeting quietly and then we will Answer you F. B. Constable do your Office take him away he will not own his Books which was a Lye he only suspended giving answer at that present G. W. being thus frequently and forcably interrupted when he would have Declared the Truth for a little space sat down in Silence breathing unto the Lord in Spirit and then after a short space was moved to fall down upon his Knees in Prayer for some time Whereupon the Priest thus made interruption to the People viz. Priest All you that are in Communion with me with-draw do not joyn with him in Prayer for he doth not Pray in the Name of Christ which was not true and very unbecoming one that would be esteemed a Reverend Clergy-man and many did not Obey him Prayer ended F. Bugg began Disturbance again saying do you own these Books this and this G. W. What are their Titles F. B. The one is Judgment Fired and the other Innocency against Envy G. W. I know no such Book as Judgment Fired F. B. It is Judgment Fixed G. W. Is not my Name to it F. B. Yes G. VV. What need'st thou question my owning it I own that I Writ most or the greatest part of that Book and shall not disown it and for the other Innocency against Envy I also own it the Errors of the Press excepted and this Answer I give that thou mayst not go away with a Lye and say that I am afraid to own my own Books nor any think that I am afraid to Answer thee for I have Discoursed many Greater and Wiser Men than thou art who have shewn a great deal more Civility than thou hast done F. B's Wife stood up to clear her Conscience being under a great Burthen and Constraint in Testimony against her Husband 's writing Books against Friends c. contrary to Conviction as having expressed some trouble he was in for the same and that if it had not been for Jo. Thrift an abetter of his he had not done what he did saying she should have Burnt all his Papers c. with other Words To which he made little Answer but gave her the Lye openly but many present did believe she spoke Truth and in the fear of God from a necessity laid upon her at that time Priest Mrs. Bugg you should not Discover your Husbands Nakedness and Mr. Bugg you should not Reveal your Secrets to the Wife of your Bosom but you may see the Enemies of a Man are those of his own House c. F. B. after several Reiterations of his gross Lye that G. W. was afraid to own his Books and making a great Clamour and Noise with Reviling Detractions and Personal Reflections G. W. called to the Priest thus viz. Thou that art his Teacher or Minister I pray thee speak to him and teach him to keep within the bounds of common Civility and not to make this Clamour and these scurrilous Detractions and let us come to some matter in Controversy seeing we may not enjoy the intended end of our Meeting quietly Priest Mr. Bugg pray forbear c. F. B. I will not hold my Tongue G. W. See what a Convert thou hast gotten of him he will not be subject to his own Minister Dost thou not think him somewhat Discomposed I desire on passage of his Book for his Conformity may be Read Entituled the Quakers Detected it is that first page how he came to be a Member of our Society Thou hast the Book F. B. I pray thee lend it me a little but he refused to part with it out of his Hand whereupon a Friend present reacht one to us G. W. I desire this one Page may be read in the Meeting which F. B. was very unwilling to Priest Pray let it be read which accordingly was done Which followeth viz. F. B. Q. Detect The first point under Consideration is how I came to be a Member of their Society i. e. of the Quakers In the Beginning they Taught that all Men were Inlightned according to John 1. 9. and that this Light wherewith Christ had Inlightned them was sufficient if obeyed to lead to Salvation and that it was the work of the Ministers of Christ to turn the Peoples minds from Darkness to Light and from the Power of Satan to God Affirming that this Light was a sufficient Teacher Leader and Guide to every Believer without the help of outward Prescriptions Forms Orders and Decrees of Men. Upon these and the like Notions I became perswaded to make Tryal of their Doctrine and when I came to see and observe their Practice Conversations and Deportments in the begining and what simplicity and plainness attended their Ministry I was still more Confirmed that it was a Dispensation of the Love of God sent as a Visitation to Mankind and being thus perswaded I was resolved to bear the Cross and did utterly despise the shame that attended them and their Message and was not behind any of my Equals both in Doing and Suffering for the Testimony thereof as some amongst them can still bear me Witness and in this manner we went on for many
meet him or any of them face to face and Vindicate my own Innocency against his Malicious Charge But to this F. B. and his Party gave no answer only S. Knowles said they would consider of it And indeed Isaac Archer and he might have been more Ingenuous than to sign such an unjust Certificate as they have done upon F. B's Instigation it will no way redound to their Reputation or Credit Again F. B. proceeds with his Clamours charging us with being Deluders with Abominable Lyes Manifest Forgeries and Gross Perversions one instance whereof he may Recite as he saith out of our Book Innocency against Envy in Answer to his Quakers Detected p. 3. Where he saith We have grosly abused his Intention and by leaving out five words viz. in the beginning they taught have made him speak what is for our turn saying that he confesses to our Doctrin viz. That all men are enlighted by Christ according to John 1. 9. And to the Sufficiency of this Light of Christ to lead to Salvation without the help of Mens outward Prescriptions Forms c. p. 3. That he did plainly confess to our Doctrin herein is true still and our leaving out those five words doth not lessen his Confession nor will his now saying We have grosly abused his Intention be any just excuse but both idle and evasive as if his intention were not to confess that Doctrin or our Ministry which we still hold as in the beginning we taught whereas he hath contrariwise granted that he was still the more confirmed that it was a Dispensation of the Love of God sent as a Visitation to Mankind and being thus perswaded he was resolved to bear the Cross and did utterly dispise the Shame that attended us and our Message c. And that in this manner he saith we went on for many years and Loved one another with Love unfained and doubtless God blessed our Meetings with the comfortable Enjoyment of his Presence and as every man was perswaded by the Lord so he was frequently exhorted to walk See his Quakers Detected p. 3. before cited more at large from all which pray observe how plainly he hath confessed since he was Conformed to the Church of England in the year 1686. both to the Truth of the Quakers Doctrin Ministry Society Blessed Meeting and Immediate Teaching of the Lord which he saith was in the beginning as if now they were Declined however it was since they were a People Religious and Christian Society and he one among them according to his own confession and both these People called Quakers while in such Purity and Blessedness yea and Ancient Splendor also as he saith p 14. of his One Blow c. were all Dissenters from the Church of England and bore Testimony against the Clergy and Priests and Tythes their Covetousness Oppression and Persecution but now F. B. and not the People called Quakers is turned back to the Priests whom he testified against when he owned the said People to be the People of God and both sound in Doctrin and Practice who still persevere in their Testimony But F. B. is Fallen Back-sliden and Apostatized from his Testimony which he bore among the said People therefore he is the Apostate and not we and yet as a self-condemned person even since his Conformity is made to confess to the Truth of our Doctrin Conversation and Sotiety as it was in the beginning and for many years together when he owned us But now he walks quite contrary in his Conformity and Temporizing so that he cannot be Right now if he was ever Right among us But if he saith he is now of another Judgment as his Minister J. Archer would have him instancing Paul's saying He thought he might do many things against the Name of Jesus but was of another Judgment when Converted then this is to condemn F. B's own Testimony to the Truth of our Doctrin and Conversation which he hath given since he turned to the Clergy and Church of England and I could not find that either F. B. or his Minister could clear him of this Dilemma if ever he was in the Truth while he was among the People called Quakers or in Society with them he must be in Error now in his turning back to the Priests and Church of England but if he and his Teacher will conclude that he was always in Error while among the People called Quakers but now Converted and in the Truth This is to Condemn his own Testimony aforesaid Printed in the Year 1686. Quakers Detected p. 3. where since a Member of the Church of England he hath confessed to the Doctrin Ministry Christian-Conversation Love and Society of the People called Quakers and their blessed Meetings in the beginning and for many Years so that take it which way he or his now Minister will he is under a manifest Snare he is self-Condemned and his slight evasion will stand him in no stead viz. That he is far enough from confessing to our present Doctrin and Conversation and saying that though he did set forth what we held in the beginning yet that we teach the contrary now and what though Rome was once a glorious Church endued with sound Doctrin and many other excellent Ornaments yet by Innovatians and Mischievous Impositions she is utterly Deserted And his saying There is great difference between my saying in the beginning that they taught sound Doctrin c. and saying the same now p. 4. These Evasions and Shifts will not cover nor excuse him nor warrant his Temporising and turning to the Priests and Church of England contrary to that Doctrin and Testimony which he saith we Taught in the beginning but still he appears a self-condemned Person guilty of deep Hypocrisy therein acting contrary to manifest conviction in his own Conscience for wherein he falsly suggests we now Teach and Act contrary to what we did in the beginning he should rather have endeavoured to find out some other People whose Doctrin and Conversations are both sound and agreeable as he confesseth the Quakers were in the beginning or to consist better with himself he should see if he could find out some other glorious Church endued with sound Doctrin and excellent Ornaments but then it must be without either Canons Rules or Discipline that is neither the People called Quakers nor the Church of England which he Testified against when he was in Society with the Quakers in their Ancient Splendour according to his own confession otherwise he is still in the Mire and yet to seek being in Egypt sold thither As he saith Quakers Detected p. 8. and therefore no real Convert of the Church of England while he would make the People believe that he is for the Quakers in their Doctrin and Practice when most Glorious and Splendid and yet continues a pretended Member of the Church of England contrary to both But dare F. B. in Conscience now say that he is more Just more Pure