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A12787 Three proper, and wittie, familiar letters: lately passed betvveene tvvo vniuersitie men: touching the earthquake in Aprill last, and our English refourmed versifying With the preface of a wellwiller to them both. Spenser, Edmund, 1552?-1599.; Harvey, Gabriel, 1550?-1631. aut 1580 (1580) STC 23095; ESTC S111268 38,417 65

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certaintie either way Which also in conclusion was the verdit and finall resolution of the greater and sager part of the Gentlemen present namely of an auncient learned common Lawyer that had béen Graduate and fellow of a Colledge in Cambridge in Quéene Mari●s dayes Who tooke vpon him to knit vp the matter as he said determine the controuersie with the authoritie of all the naturall Philosophers old or newe Heathen or Christian Catholique or Protestant that euer he read or heard tell of Th●re Physickes quoth he are in euery mans hands they are olde enoug● to speake for them selues and wée are young enough to turne our Bookes They that haue Eyes and Tongues let them sée and reade But what say you nowe quoth I to the staying and quieting of the Earthe béeing once a moouing May it not séeme a more myraculous woorke and greater woonderment that it shoulde so suddainely staye againe being mooued than that it shoulde so suddainely mooue beyng quiet and still Mooue or turne or shake me a thing in lyke order be it neuer so small and lesse than a pynnes Head in comparison of the great mightie circuite of the Earth and sée if you shall not haue much more a doo to staye it presently béeing once sturred than to stu●re it at the very first Whereat the Gentleman smyling and looking merrily on the Gentlewoomen héere is a schoole poynt quoth he that by your leaues I beléeue will poase the better scholler of you both But is it not more than tyme thynke ye wée were at Supper And if you be a hungered Maister H. you shall thanke no body but your selfe that haue holden vs so long with your profounde and clerkly discourses whereas our manner is to suppe at the least a long howre before this tyme. Beyng set and newe occasion of spéeche ministered our Supper put the Earthquake in manner out of our myndes or at the least wise out of our Tongues sauing that the Gentlewoomen nowe and then pleasauntly tyhyhing betweene them selues especially Mystresse Inquisitiua whose minde did still runne of the drinking and Néesing of the Earth repeated here and there a broken péece of that which had béen already sayde before Supper With déepe iudgement no doubt and to maruellous great purpose I warrant you a●ter the manner of woomen Philosophers and Diuines And this summarily in Effect was our yesternyghtes graue Meteorologicall Conference touching our Earthquake here in the Country which being in so many neighbour Townes and Uillages about vs as I heare say of this morning maketh me presuppose the like was wyth you also at London and elsewhere farther ●f And then forsoothe must I desire Maister Immerito to send me within a wéeke or two some odde fresh paulting thréehalfepennie Pamphlet for newes or some Balductum Tragicall Ballet in Ryme and without Reason setting out the right myserable and most wo●ull estate of the wicked and damnable worlde at these perillous dayes after the deuisers best manner or whatsoeuer else shall first take some of your braue London Eldertons in the Head In earnest I could wishe some learned and well aduized Uniuersitie man woulde vndertake the matter and bestow some paynes in déede vppon so famous and materiall an argument The generall Nature of Earthquakes by definition and the speciall diuersitie of them by diuision beyng perfectly knowen a thing soone done and a complete Induction of many credible and autenticall both olde and newe diuine and prophane Gréeke Lattine and other Examples with discretion and iudgement compyled and compared togither being considerately and exactly made a thing not so easily done much no doubt myght be alledged too or fro to terrifie or pacifie vs more or lesse If it appeare by generall Experience and the foresayde Historicall Induction of particulars that Earthquakes sine omni exceptione are ominous and significatiue Effectes as they saye of Comets and carrie euer some Tragicall and horrible matter with or after them as eyther destruction of Townes and Cities or decay of some mightie Prince or some particular or generall plague warre or the lyke vt supra whatsoeuer the Materiall or Formall cause be Natural or supernaturall howbeit for myne owne part I am resolued as wel for the one as for the other that these two I speake of both Matter and Fourme are rather Naturall in both than otherwise it concerneth vs vpon the vewe of so Effectuall and substaunciall euidence to conceiue seriously and reuerently of the other two Causes the first supreme Efficient whose Omnipotent Maiestie hath nature self and all naturall Creatures at commaundement and the last finall which we are to iudge of as aduisedly and prouidently as possibly we can by the consideration comparison of Circumstances the tyme when the place where the qualities and dispositions of the persons amongst whom such and such an Ominous token is giuen Least happily through ouer great credulitie and rashnesse we mistake Non causam pro causa and sophistically be entrapped Elencho Finiū Truely I suppose he had néede be an excellent Philosopher a reasonable good Historian a learned Diuine a wise discrete man and generally such a one as our Doctor Still Doctor Byng are in Cambridge that shoulde shew himselfe accordingly in this argument and to the iudgement and contentation of the wisest perfourme it exactly My selfe remember nothing to the contrarie either in Philosophie or in Histories or in Diuinitie either why I may not safely lawfully subscribe to the iudgement of the noble Italian Philosopher and most famous learned Gentleman whilest he liued Lord of Mirandola and Erle of Concordia Counte Ioannes Franciscus Picus in my opinion very considerately and partly Philosophically partly Theologically set downe in the sixt Chapter of his sixt Booke against Cogging deceitfull Astrologers and Southsayers De rerum Praenotione pro veritate Relligionis contra Superstitiosas vanitates In which Chapter if happely you haue not read it already you shall finde m●ny but specially these thrée notable places most effectuall and directly pertinent to the very purpose The first more vniuersal● Naturae opere fieri non potest vt Ostentis vt Monstris magni illi seu dextri seu sinistri euentus portendantur ab aliqua pendeant proxima causa quae futura etiam proferat Impostura Daemonum vt id fiat videri potest Sed plaeraque non monstrosa non prodigiosa per se●e pro monstri● tamen portentis haberi possunt solent à quibusdam quibus Rerum Natura non satis comperta est causarum enim ignoratio noua in re Admirationem parit Propter quam philosophari homines capisse in exordys primae philosophiae scribit Aristoteles Wherein those two seuerall points Impostura Daemonum and Ignoratio causaerum are no doubt maruellous probable and moste worthy bothe presentlye to bée noted nowe and more fully to be discussed hereafter appearing vnto me the verie right principall Causes of so manye erroneous opinions and fantasticall
gather a contempt of my self or else séme rather for gaine and commoditie to doe it for some swéetnesse that I haue already tasted Then also me séemeth the work too base for his excellent Lordship being made in Honour of a priuate Personage vnknowne which of some yl-willers might be vpbra●ded not to be so worthie as you knowe she is or the matter not so weightie that it should be offred to so weightie a Personage or the like The selfe former Title stil liketh me well ynough and your fine Addition 〈◊〉 lesse If these and the like doubtes maye be of importaunce in your séeming to frustrate any parte of your aduice I béeséeche you without the leaste selfe loue of your own purpose councell me ●or the beste and the rather doe it faith●ullye and carefully for that in all things I attribute so muche to your iudgement that I am euermore content to ad●●hil●te mine owne determinations in respecte thereof And indéede for your selfe to it sitteth with you now to call your wits senses togither which are alwaies at call when occasion is so fairely offered of Estimation and Preferment For whiles the yron is hote it is good striking and minds of Nobles varie as their Estates Verùm ne quid durius I pray you bethinke you well ●ereof good Maister G. and forthwith write me those two or thrée special points and caueats for the nonce De quibus in superioribus illis mellitissimis longissimisque Litteris tuis Your desire to heare of my late béeing with hir Maiestie muste dye in it selfe As for the twoo worthy Gentlemen Master Sydney and Master Dyer they haue me I thanke them in some vse of familiarity of whom and to whome what speache passeth for youre credite and estimation I leaue your selfe to conceiue hauing alwayes so well conceiued of my vnfained affection and zeale towardes you And nowe they haue proclaimed in their 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a generall surceasing and silence of balde Rymers and also of the verie beste to in steade whereof they haue by authotie of their whole Senate prescribed certaine Lawes and rules of Quantities of English sillables for English Verse hauing had thereof already greate practi●e and drawen mée to their faction Newe Bookes I heare of none but only of one that writing a certaine Booke called The Schoole of Abuse ● and dedicating it to Maister Sidney was for hys labor scorned if at leaste it be in the goodnesse of that nature to scorne Suche follie is it not to regarde aforehande the inclination and qualitie of him to whome wée dedicate oure Bookes Suche mighte I happily incurre entituling My Slomber and the other Pamphlets vnto his honor I meant them rather to Maister Dyer But I am of late more in loue wyth my Englishe Uersifying than with Ryming whyche I should haue done long since if I would thē haue followed your councell Sed te solum iam tum suspicabar cum● Aschanio sapere nunc Aulam video egregios alere Poëtas Anglicos Maister E. K. hartily desireth to be commended vnto your Worshippe of whome what accompte he maketh youre selfe shall hereafter perceiue by hys paynefull and dutifull Uerses of your selfe Thus muche was written at Westminster yesternight but comming this morning béeyng the sixtéenth of October to Mystresse Kerkes to haue it deliuered to the Carrier I receyued youre letter sente me the l●ste wéeke whereby I p●rc●iue you otherwhiles continue your old exercise of Uersifying in English whych glorie I had now thought shoulde haue bene onely ours héere at London and the Court. Truste me your Uerses I like passingly well and enuye your hidden paines in this kinde or rather maligne and grudge at your selfe that woulde not once imparte so muche to me But once or twice you make a breache in Maister Drants Rules quod tamen condonabimus tanto Poetae tuaeque ipsius maximae in his rebus autoritati You shall sée when we méete in London whiche when it shall be certifye vs howe fast I haue followed after you in that Course beware leaste in time I ouertake you Veruntamen te solùm sequar vt saepenumerò sum professus nunquam sanè assequar dum viuam And nowe requite I you with the like not with the verye beste but with the verye shortest namely with a fewe Iambickes I dare warrant they be precisely perfect for the féete as you can easily iudge and varie not one inch from the Rule I will imparte yours to Maister Sidney and Maister Dyer at my nexte going to the Courte I praye you kéepe mine close to your selfe or your verie entire friendes Maister Preston Maister Still and the reste Iambicum Trimetrum VNhappie Verse the witnesse of my vnhappi● state Make thy selfe fluttring wings of thy fast flying Thought and fly forth vnto my Loue whersoeuer she be Whether lying reastlesse in heauy bedde or else Sitting so cheerelesse at the cheerfull boorde or else Playing alone carelesse on hir heauenlie Virginals If in Bed tell hir that my eyes can take no reste If at Boorde tell hir that my mouth can eate no meate If at hir Virginals tel hir I can heare no mirth Asked why say Waking Loue suffereth no sleepe Say that raging Loue dothe appall the weake stomacke Say that lamenting Loue marreth the Musicall Tell hir that hir pleasures were wonte to lull me asleepe Tell hir that hir beautie was wonte to feede mine eyes Tell hir that hir sweete Tongue was wonte to make me mirth● Nowe doe I nightly waste wanting my kindely reste Nowe doe I dayly starue wanting my liuely foode Nowe doe I alwayes dye wanting thy timely mirth And if I waste who will bewaile my heauy chaunce And if I starue who will record my cursed end And If I dye who will saye this was Immerito I thought once agayne here to haue made an ende with ● heartie Vale of the best fashion but loe an ylfauoured myschaunce My last farewell whereof I made great accompt and muche maruelled you shoulde make no mention thereof I am nowe tolde in the Diuels name was thorough one mans negligence quite forgotten but shoulde nowe vndoubtedly haue béene sent whether I hadde come or no. Seing it can now be no otherwise I pray you take all togither wyth all their faultes and nowe I hope you will vouchsafe mée an answeare of the largest size or else I tell you true you shall bée verye déepe in my debte notwythstandyng thys other swéete but shorte letter and fine but fewe Uerses But I woulde rather I might yet sée youre owne good selfe and receiue a Reciprocall farewell from your owne sw●et● mouth Ad Ornatissimum virum multis iamdiu nominibus clarissimum G. H. Immerito sui mox in Gallias nauigaturi 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 SIc malus egregium sic non inimicus Amicum Sicque nouus veterem iubet ipse Poëta Poëtam Saluere ac calo post secula multa secundo Iam reducem calo mage quàm nunc ipse secundo Vtier